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Ársa February 8th, 2008 4:07 AM

Uber Stall Team...
 


NOT A STALL TEAM, IGNORE THE TITLE!

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[email protected] Plate
Naive
180 Spd, 252 Sp. Atk, 76 Def

Grass Knot
Punishment
Ice Beam
Brick Break

Ok, no-one uses this type of Arceus, so I wanted to be different. This is my lead, and it can surprise a few. Grass Knot takes out T-Tar, Kyogre and Groudon Leads, Brick Break with no attack EV's 2HKO's Uber Bliss with 0Def EV's. Ice Beam takes Rayquaza, while Punishment provides good STAB and helps to take out Mewtwo leads, as well as all other Psychic types. [email protected] are easily dealt with by either Punishment or Ice Beam, and lols at all of their attacks, unless for some unknown reason they run HP Fighting...

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[email protected]
Calm
176 HP, 252 Sp. Def, 80 Sp. Atk
Natural Cure

Icy Wind
Thunder
Softboiled
Calm Mind

Uber Bliss. Icy Wind can cause switches and allows Bliss to CM up. It can actually be a decent Special threat to the many Dragons and Flying types in the Uber Tier, after a few CM's.

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[email protected]
Impish
240 HP, 252 Def, 16 Atk
Pressure

Will-o-Wisp
Sleep Talk
Rest
Dragon Claw

My Physical Wall, as well as Sleep Absorber. This is known as "The Great Wall" for a reason you know... :P

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[email protected] Orb
Adamant
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Air Lock

Dragon Dance
Crunch
Outrage
Earthquake

OMG, this thing halts Weather, and is in my mind the best Physical Sweeper in the Uber Metagame. This set hits almost everything in Ubers for SE, and nothing completely resists this. Dragon Dance'd Life Orb'd STAB Base 120 Outrage with a 150 Base Attack Stat = Dead everything... ;)

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[email protected]
Impish
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk
Sturdy

Stealth Rock
Rapid Spin
Light Screen
Explosion

SR setter and Rapid Spinner. This helps to get Rayquaza in ok, while also setting up SR to prevent the opponent from getting their's in. Light Screen provides a good screen for the ever prevalent Special Attacks. Can also switch into an Outraging Rayquaza fairly well I think.

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[email protected] Dew
Timid
156 HP, 176 Sp. Atk, 176 Spd
Levitate

Calm Mind
Dragon Pulse
Thunder
Recover

Can handle many Sp. Atking Arceus, and CM on the switch. Comes in on a Weakened Kyogre or in rain with that Thunder, and Dragon Pulse has great effectiveness against most Ubers, and is a very strong STAB with Soul Dew. Recover is a necessity.

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Regards,

~T_S

Dark Azelf February 8th, 2008 8:24 AM

On Blissey go 252 def / 252 sp.def / 6 hp.Or even 176 Def / 80 SAtk / 252 SDef works if you want more sp.att.

On Ubers the rule of thumb, it that you may want something to change the weather or Heatran, T-Tar and Kyogre messes stuff up, get the weather on your side.

Id get a Fighting Arceus or something or your gonna be man handled by this

[email protected] Orb
156 Atk / 176 SpA / 176 Spe
Naive / Hasty Nature
- Focus Punch
- Dark Void
- Dark Pulse
- Thunder

Ill PM you a link with some helpful stuff about the uber metagame.


Not enough Ice Beam on Lugia me thinks.

Anti February 8th, 2008 12:41 PM

Actually, I've been working on an Uber team for awhile, so I am pretty familiar with this stuff, though my experience is lol none.

Diagla (mixed) will shred you apart. Everything you have will take a huge hit from it.

This team has no real way to deal with the killer weather of the Uber Metagame. For example, things like Manaphy and Palkia that rely on rain will be trouble.

Any pokemon that is the kind of stall-breaker of Ubers (Mixed Diagla...ouch) will tear you to shreds.

You're also bait for Dragon Dancers (Ray basically) and Calm Minders to set up and destroy you. DDray is trouble here, as it can shut down all of your walls, laughing at your attempts to wall its greatness. Taunting Calm Mind Mewtwo makes a fool of all of your walls except Forretress (who it'll just attack anyways) with Taunt and will sweep the day away.

Yuck, I'm no good at rating Uber Teams.

On a side-note, Deoxys-A will shred you apart. Of course, it shreds any team apart, so I wouldn't worry too much.

Squeenix February 8th, 2008 1:06 PM

Arceus would own your team but no one has a completely legit one yet and people are using semi legit ones, (once my spiritomb came with azure flute and I learned never to use GTS ever again). Groudon would also burn all your steel types to ashes-_-

El Gofre February 8th, 2008 3:08 PM

More SpDef into Giratina seeing as will-o-wisp halves the opponents attack stat
Tbolt over thunder on dialga, i just perfer the accuracy

So yeah, this is a nice team. Not quite aggressive enough for my liking, and nothin is overly fast. I can see this having trouble with extremekiller and possibly a dedicated attack deoxys (Eg all physical/all special)

Damn that giratina's IVs, but still, i look forward to playin you :)

Ársa February 8th, 2008 6:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3315765)
More SpDef into Giratina seeing as will-o-wisp halves the opponents attack stat
Tbolt over thunder on dialga, i just perfer the accuracy

So yeah, this is a nice team. Not quite aggressive enough for my liking, and nothin is overly fast. I can see this having trouble with extremekiller and possibly a dedicated attack deoxys (Eg all physical/all special)

Damn that giratina's IVs, but still, i look forward to playin you :)

Ummm, sorry, notice how I said "Anit Lead"? Thunder is for Kyogre Leads...

But as I said, I am completely n00b, so thankyou to Dark_Azelf, I will study up. ;)

~T_S

ABYAY February 8th, 2008 6:25 PM

Dialga needs Roar of Time...

To try out the Uber Metagame, that's impressive if you can pull it off. However, my knowledge of what to expect isn't that great...So far I'm only with OU, and no way do I have enough access to get in the Ubers.

Thunder on Dialga solely for Kyogre starts is a lil risky, but it proves effective. I saw a Groudon moveset with Thunder, just for that.

That Darkrai moveset really looks nasty against you. Maybe Attack Deoxys with Superpower? That'd be fun.

I do like the team though. You got your tankish Lugia, and they're always fun. It's a Toxic-Phazer, so if they don't have a Cleric, you're pretty much in the clear.

Ársa February 8th, 2008 6:29 PM

Cleric aren't common in Ubers, as Blissey very rarely runs Aromatherapy in the Uber Metagame. I am going for a complete revamp on the team, and I will need to ask if it is possible for a Name change of the thread, because I'm not having a Stall Team anymore.

~T_S

ABYAY February 8th, 2008 6:35 PM

lol a stall team with 5 sweepers and The Great Wall. If that were the case, then make it opposite day!

Note to self; when making Uber Metagame Bliss, keep Aromatherapy on a Blissey! X_X

Ársa February 8th, 2008 6:37 PM

No, you shouldn't, just have a Rest-Talk Giratina, and Natural Cure on Bliss.

~T_S

Anti February 8th, 2008 7:00 PM

Thunder also beats this little thing called Lugia ;/

Seriously though, if you want to actually make this team competant, out with Wobby.

Ársa February 8th, 2008 7:32 PM

Ok, I'm about to update with a complete revamp. It is no longer a stall team, so ignore the title...

~T_S

shedinjask February 9th, 2008 7:54 AM

That Rayquaza needs Overheat. It won't hit anything harder with Crunch than it would with Outrage.

Anti February 9th, 2008 8:16 AM

Uber Blissey usually runs 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SDef with Clam. you might want to rework that Arceus. Also, Ice Beam won't touch the [email protected] With Sould Dew, they have tremendous Special Defense and can shrug off Ice Beam while Calm Minding up, and can Recover off damage. Also, having 3 dragons will probably work against you.


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