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evilcheese February 9th, 2008 9:39 AM

yeah shoddy and stuff rmt
 
Garchomp (♂) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Atk/224 Spd/32 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Outrage
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

my favorite lead this thing is a monster.
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Gyarados (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 212 HP/16 Atk/180 Def/100 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Taunt
- Waterfall

standard i beleive. easy to run i love taunting things like bliss.
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Heatran (♂) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 52 HP/224 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Fire Blast
- Explosion
- Earth Power

my heavy hitter destroys alot of junk.
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Forretress (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/60 Atk/196 Def
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Gyro Ball
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin

standard again should i keep zap cannon?
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Blissey @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 148 HP/252 DEF/104 sp.att/4 sp.def
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Aromatherapy / Thunderwave
- Softboiled
- Seismic Toss
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Swampert @ leftovers
Relaxed Nature
EVs: 240 HP/212 DEF/56 SP.ATT
Ability: Torrent
- Ice Beam / Hidden power Electric
- Hydro pump
- Earthquake
- Roar

Anti February 9th, 2008 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilcheese (Post 3317945)
Garchomp (♂) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Atk/224 Spd/32 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Outrage
- Fire Fire
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

my favorite lead this thing is a monster.

Lonely is just silly. I wouldn't lead with this, as it will be obvious that it's a scarfchomp...not to mention how common Hippowdon is as a lead.

Gyarados (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 212 HP/16 Atk/180 Def/100 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Taunt
- Waterfall

standard i beleive. easy to run i love taunting things like bliss.

Why would a Blissey try to take on Gyarados anyways? >.>

Heatran (♂) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 52 HP/252 Spd/204 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- Explosion / Hidden Power [Grass / Electric]
- Earth Power

my heavy hitter destroys alot of junk.

Dark Pulse is no. STAB Fire blast outdamages it.

Forretress (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/60 Atk/196 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake / Gyro Ball
- Rest / Gyro Ball
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin

standard again should i keep zap cannon?

No.

Raikou @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: different EVs
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]

yeah evs are so random calm mind and stuff. roar was for my lack of phazer. if someone could give me a better set (with roar. or even just a mixed walling phazer would be good.

Raikou needs sub this gen or scarfers just kill you. Def on Raikou is a joke.

Milotic (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 252 HP/172 Def/80 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Hypnosis
- Recover

lol this old thing is pretty good if there is a better special wall that gos better with this team c(uz half my team is bolt beam weak) just tell me.

This team is very boltbeam weak indeed.

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Honestly a pretty bad team. A fast Boltbeamer such as Starmie will just eat up your team.

this team is terribly weak defensively. No way to beat almost all common threats, which is a bad thing.

Dark Azelf February 9th, 2008 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilcheese (Post 3317945)
Garchomp (♂) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Atk/224 Spd/32 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Outrage
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Adamant does the same as lonely, it still 2hkos Skarmory and forry, so Lonely just cuts your defenses for no reason
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Gyarados (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 212 HP/16 Atk/180 Def/100 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Taunt
- Waterfall

Yep
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Heatran (♂) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs224 / 252 SP.ATT / 32 HP
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Fire Blast
- Explosion / Hidden power Grass / Hidden power Electric
- Earth Power

Dark pulse is lol, Fire Blast does more, even when its dark pulse is super effective.


Explosion to take out blissey, Hidden power Grass for swampert and other bulky ground or water types, Hidden power Electric for Gyarados and bulky waters.

Change your evs around, you need more speed, 224 and timid is what it needs to outrun Adamant Heracross.


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Forretress (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/60 Atk/196 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Zap Cannon
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin

fine
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Raikou @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 64 hp / 96 sp.att / 96 sp.def / 252 Spd
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]

LULWUT ?

Make your evs better, this makes him DO HIS PROPER JOB which is not PHazing, as in Calm minding behind subs and sweeping.


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Milotic (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
EVs: 148 HP/ 240 Def/ 120 sp.att
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam / Hidden power Electric
- Surf
- Hypnosis / Light Screen
- Recover

needs More def, id consider Hidden power Electric as your rather Taunt Gyarados weak.

Light Screen >> Hypnosis, if you want sp.def, dont invest sp.def evs, there are better places to put them on Milotic.



Oh dear, well specs mence rapes you.


Changes are in bold

Azonic February 9th, 2008 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anti-Pop
Fire Fire


... ?

Milotic needs Maxed Defense. Meep, Zap Cannon @[email protected] Nuuu!!! Zap Cannon will not hit much to begin with, and if it does, it barely does any damage. Zap Cannon on Foretress is really stretching it.

evilcheese February 9th, 2008 12:01 PM

yeah edited and stuff. i replaced milotic and raikou. if i could find a nice special walling phazer maybe riakou could be an option. anyone know what i could put in the spots?

would blissey help this team?

if blissey then maybe mixpert with roar ro go with it?

Dark Azelf February 9th, 2008 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilcheese (Post 3318368)
yeah edited and stuff. i replaced milotic and raikou. if i could find a nice special walling phazer maybe riakou could be an option. anyone know what i could put in the spots?

would blissey help this team?

if blissey then maybe mixpert with roar ro go with it?


Yes


[email protected]
148 HP / 252 DEF / 104 sp.att / 4 sp.def
Bold Nature
Trait : Natural Cure
- Ice Beam
- Aromatherapy / Thunderwave
- Softboiled
- Seismic Toss


[email protected]
240 HP / 212 DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Relaxed Nature
- Ice Beam / Hidden power Electric
- Hydro pump
- Earthquake
- Roar



You need a gyarados counter though so Hidden power Electric on swampy

Anti February 9th, 2008 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clade. (Post 3318327)
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... ?

Milotic needs Maxed Defense. Meep, Zap Cannon @[email protected] Nuuu!!! Zap Cannon will not hit much to begin with, and if it does, it barely does any damage. Zap Cannon on Foretress is really stretching it.

Man, people cannot take a typo these daysd.

I meant Fire Fang.

Zap Cannon actually will counter Gyarados, but has little usage outside of that so yeah.

evilcheese February 9th, 2008 12:32 PM

thanks for the set azelf. oh and anti-pop may i share a quote from you the first time i used forry? you said this after i said zap cannon was lol becuase of its low accuracy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3178124)
You just don't listen, do you? ZAP CANNON IS FOR COUNTERING GYARADOS. People used hypnosis in ADV and it had 60 accuracy :/


Anti February 9th, 2008 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilcheese (Post 3318533)
thanks for the set azelf. oh and anti-pop may i share a quote from you the first time i used forry? you said this after i said zap cannon was lol becuase of its low accuracy.

That's because I hate when people totally disregard Zap Cannon. I by no means actually like that option, that is more for people being closed-minded.

Zap Cannon isn't "lol" by any means. It just isn't that great.

^BTW opinions change over time.

evilcheese February 24th, 2008 11:02 AM

I hope this thread isn't dead >.<

well ill the sets any more suggestions?

Outlawed February 24th, 2008 11:54 AM

dont have time to stop and rate, but just gotta say Scarfchomp lead will be eaten by hippowdon and Ice Sharding Donphan

evilcheese February 24th, 2008 4:15 PM

i can use a new tactic called switching in.:P

Anti February 24th, 2008 4:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilcheese (Post 3368107)
i can use a new tactic called switching in.:P

Let's use an even better tactic called "use a better lead." you have plenty of capable pokemon :/

Also don't act like he's totally stupid, he was actually right :/

evilcheese February 24th, 2008 4:42 PM

how about i lead with the old porygon z?

Anti February 24th, 2008 4:42 PM

Your team doesn't even have a Porygon-Z :/

evilcheese February 24th, 2008 4:51 PM

i meant replace my scarfchomp.

Anti February 24th, 2008 4:59 PM

What I mean is that you have competent leads on your team already like Swampert and Gyarados.

evilcheese February 24th, 2008 5:02 PM

so should i lead with gyrados instead to beat hippo?

Outlawed February 26th, 2008 10:34 AM

Swampert I think will fit in better because of his ability to stop bulkyness, and stone edge takes care of Gyara leads as well it can also take care of Hippo and deal good damange to skarm.

evilcheese February 26th, 2008 5:46 PM

my swampert doesnt have stone edge but i think ill go for HP [electric].

Anti February 26th, 2008 6:31 PM

Give me one use HP Electric has besides beating Gyarados. It does nothihng to other bulky waters or anything else.

As in, don't use HP electric on Swampert. You'd only be robbing it of a moveslot. I'm not a huge fan of Stone Edge on Swampert either, or even Rock slide, but if you really hate Gyarados I suppose it's plausible considering it isn't totally useless like HP electric.

Honestly your sweepers don't even work that great together so maybe find a replacement for one of them (cough Garchomp) for something that will beat Gyarados, whether or not it's a sweeper.

Faceless* February 26th, 2008 6:31 PM

Love how you corrected Fire Fire on Evilcheese's Garchomp moveset Anti XD

As for the BoltBeam weakness, I dare you to give Forretress Light Screen =PPPP

Oh, I hate to say this but.. it's best to replace Milotic with Blissey (Your Gyarados)

evilcheese February 26th, 2008 6:32 PM

i did replace milotic.

yeah i was thinking garchomp doesnt go that well. ill probably need a mixed sweeper (maybe vire) or a nice tank.

Anti February 26th, 2008 6:36 PM

People like mixed sweepers too much ._.

As for "Fire Fire," I seem to make that mistake every time I mean to say Fire Fang. Must be my short attention spn at work or something.

Speaking of fire, Fire BLAST > Flamethrower on Heatran please. I honestly don't want to hear about accuracy when people use Megahorn on Heracross. Now I hate fire blast on those pure physical attackers that just slip it in to kill skarm, who usually isn't much of a threat anyways, but on Heatran it is quite honestly a whole lot better.

evilcheese February 26th, 2008 6:40 PM

ok ill go fire blast. and for the tank maybe a cmer? or tyraniboah er whatever its called (tyranitar with ice beam).


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