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Eos Aduro February 21st, 2008 5:50 PM

RMT, please?
 
Ok, so here is my team that I want rated.

Tyranitar-Leftovers
Quiet-252 HP, 184 Special Attack, 72 Speed (Im SURE I messed those up)
Dark Pulse
Focus Punch
Ice Beam
Substitute

Its the Boah! BEST LEAD EVER!!!!

Heatran-Choice Scarf
Modest-252 HP, 252 speed, 4 HP (Archer your EVs are wrong, 116 speed makes it have a top speed with scarf of 282)
Fire Blast
Dragon Pulse
HP Ice
Earth Power

Special Sweeper, Im not sure on this guy...

Weavile-Choice Band/Expert Belt/Life Orb/I dunno
Jolly-252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Ice Punch
Brick Break
Night Slash
Pursuit/Ice Shard/Swords Dance/Fake Out

Physical Sweeper, yeah whatever.

Grumpig-LEftovers
Calm-252 HP, 52 Def, 200 SpDef
Thunder Wave
Charge Beam
Psychic
Rest

Im trying him out, he helps with the fighting weak a bit.

Gliscor-Leftovers
Impiish-252 HP, 184 Defense, 72 Attack
Earthquake
Aerial Ace
Roost
Stealth Rock

Physical Wall, ebenfits from Tyranitar very well

Vaporeon-Leftovers
Calm-252 HP, 164 SpDef, 92 Def
Substitute
Baton Pass
Wish
Surf

Sub and Wish passing, very helpful.

Well any suggestions would be appreciated.

Outlawed February 21st, 2008 8:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3357885)
Ok, so here is my team that I want rated.

Tyranitar-Leftovers
Jolly-252 Spd/ 252 Atk/ 4 hp
Crunch
Stone Edge
Stealth Rock
Filler

Its the Boah! BEST LEAD EVER!!!!
Not realy.... Aerodactyl for me.

Heatran-Choice Scarf
Modest- EVs Please???
Flamethrower
Dragon Pulse
Dark Pulse
Earth Power
Not Expert on this so i'll leave it alone

Special Sweeper, Im not sure on this guy...

Weavile-Choice Band
Jolly-252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Ice Punch
Brick Break
Night Slash
Pursuit/Ice Shard

There is a special spread for speed that they run on this, but I like speed over kill :p I don't think more HP will help it. Also, Pursuit is for Zam and Gengar who think they can switch out but die. and pleashe Jolly.

Blissey-Leftovers
Bold-252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SpDef (Yes, I use these EVs and I like'em)
Softboiled
Seismic Toss
Aromatherapy
Toxic/Substitute
Teh EV's are a bit wrong, it needs more sp.def just a bit more lol

Duh :P

Gliscor-Leftovers
Impiish-252 HP, 184 Defense, 72 Attack
Earthquake
Aerial Ace
Roost
Stealth Rock
Not expert on this

Physical Wall, ebenfits from Tyranitar very well

Vaporeon-Leftovers
Calm-252 HP, 164 SpDef, 92 Def
Substitute
Baton Pass
Wish
Surf

Sub and Wish passing, very helpful.
Yes.

Well any suggestions would be appreciated.

Fixes in quote.
Also watch out from Fighters, they can pretty much hurt you. specially the ones with Thunder Punch.

Eos Aduro February 21st, 2008 9:01 PM

Well Boah is staying as Boah, not being all physical. Mixed sweeper FTW!

Outlawed February 21st, 2008 9:25 PM

Dude look at your moveset, that isnt a mixed sweeper. That is a special sweeper, you are just throwing it's attack away. It could work as a nice surpurse factor but your enemy should know soon and start sending out counters.

Anti February 21st, 2008 10:36 PM

Just pointing out Aerodactyl is a failure of a lead simply due to the fact that one of the most common leads today, Hippowdon, just sets up the rocks on you. also cool people who run Bulky Water leads do the same :(

Also gliscor walls fighters pretty bad. That, dusknoir, and Weezing are great at walling fighters and I don't see them as a problem as long as Gliscor stays healthy, which is easy to pull off with roost.

Real problem here is Weavile IMO, only Vaporeon is a really safe switch and Night slash will hurt a lot coming from STBa and a CB.

Also SR on Tar is no. Its WAY better at attacking and gliscor already SRs.

also Adamant Weavile is >:0

Actually looking back at the fighters thing, special fighters seem to be the real problem here. I'm looking at you Lucario. Seriously nothing can even hope of switching into SpecsLuke's Aura Sphere.

Well Outlawed, I agree with you more than I usually agree with other members :P

But seriously that fighting hole could be petrifying, especially if anything on the other team blows up on Gliscor to open up what would be a Heracross massacre.

Outlawed February 21st, 2008 11:22 PM

I run Dactyl with Taunt actually.
Bulky waters are a problem. However, that is not an issue. I run Aerodactyl as an SR setter. with taunt I stop the enemy from SRing me. and then I safely live on.
Also, if I use traunt on first turn, will they still be able to set something?? like if they already used SR. and does it stay for the rest of the game or does it disappear on a switch?

I just noticed something intresting.
Infernape
Grass Knot
Flamethrower
Stealth Rock
Taunt

Naive.
this deals with anything other than Dactyl and Gyara :p

Loto February 22nd, 2008 12:03 AM

SR stays for the rest of the came unless you rapid spin it away or taunt BEFORE they use it. Once it's set tho you need a spinner. Or deal with the switch damage. ;p

Thats not a good infernape set. It's not meant to taunt considering infernape is so fragile >_>

Outlawed February 22nd, 2008 12:16 AM

So if taunt is used on the first turn by me and SR was picked as move for my enemy, does the taunt work? or would SR work the Taunt takes effect?

n3croart February 22nd, 2008 1:54 AM

why toxic for bliss? change to ice beam/thunder wave but i prefer ice beam.

Archer February 22nd, 2008 3:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3357885)
Ok, so here is my team that I want rated.

Tyranitar-Leftovers
Quiet-252 HP, 184 Special Attack, 72 Speed (Im SURE I messed those up) You gave 4 SAtks to Spd for the Standard, but I use the spread you listed.
Dark Pulse
Focus Punch
Ice Beam/Flamethrower (Focus Punch hit almost anything that is a problem, except GyroZong. Bad news.
Substitute

Its the Boah! BEST LEAD EVER!!!! Fine.

Heatran-Choice Scarf
Modest- EVs Please??? 252 SAtk / 116 Spd / 140 HP
Flamethrower/Overheat
Dragon Pulse
Dark Pulse
Earth Power

Special Sweeper, Im not sure on this guy... Those EVs reach 224(336 Scarfed) Spd, outdoing jolly Garchomp.

Weavile-Life Orb
JOLLYJOLLYJOLLY-252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Ice Punch
Brick Break
Night Slash
Swords Dance

Physical Sweeper, yeah whatever.

Blissey-Leftovers
Bold-252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SpDef (Yes, I use these EVs and I like'em)
Softboiled
Seismic Toss
Aromatherapy
Toxic

Duh :P Toxic is nice and I prefer slightly more SDef, just to screw up damage calcs.

Gliscor-Leftovers
Impiish-252 HP, 184 Defense, 72 Attack
Earthquake
Aerial Ace
Roost
Stealth Rock

Physical Wall, benefits from Tyranitar very well Fits nicely.

Vaporeon-Leftovers
Calm-252 HP, 164 SpDef, 92 Def
Substitute
Baton Pass
Wish
Surf

Sub and Wish passing, very helpful. (Specially bulky Vaporeons are nice.)

Well any suggestions would be appreciated.

EDIT IN BOLD
Fits together alright, but you need a Ghost. You have 4 Fighting weaknesses (2 are 4x) and possibly a spinner, but its not as if you have a major SR weak, but along with Sandstream, It could really rack up the damage.

Angelic Diablo February 22nd, 2008 3:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlawed (Post 3358489)
So if taunt is used on the first turn by me and SR was picked as move for my enemy, does the taunt work? or would SR work the Taunt takes effect?

Depends who is faster, if you are, then Taunt prevents them from using SR. If they are faster then there will be floating stones around your team and then they will be Taunted.

Jimmyray February 22nd, 2008 4:16 AM

I've learned the hard way NEVER to use Swords Dance on a Weavile without focus sash. Aerial Ace or Ice Shard. As for your TTar, I hate mixed ones, they PHAIL for me. Explosion on Heatran perhaps? And give Blissey TWave over Toxic!

Ársa February 22nd, 2008 4:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3357885)
Ok, so here is my team that I want rated.

Tyranitar-Leftovers
Quiet-252 HP, 188 Special Attack, 68 Speed
Dark Pulse
Focus Punch
Ice Beam
Substitute

Ok, if you say so.

Heatran-Choice Scarf
Modest- EVs 252 Sp. Atk, 204 Spd, 52 HP
Fire Blast
Dragon Pulse/HP [ICE]
Dark Pulse/Explosion
Earth Power

Fire Blast over Flamethrower please, HP Ice if you can get it, and Explosion hits Bliss for some reliable damage. Dark Pulse may be your option though.

Weavile-Choice Band
Jolly-252 Attack, 220 Speed, 32 HP
Ice Punch
Brick Break
Night Slash
Ice Shard

Band does more, I don't much like SD Weavile, you'll just be drawing in Skarm or a Scarf user. Ice Shard OHKO's Garchomp (All Dragons) etc. You know the drill. Band > SD. Jolly please.

Blissey-Leftovers
Bold-252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SpDef (Yes, I use these EVs and I like'em)
Softboiled
Seismic Toss
Aromatherapy
Ice Beam/Thunderbolt

Ice Beam or Thunderbolt please. Toxic isn't the best, and you're walled completely by Ghosts, especially Gengar who you're meant to be walling.

Gliscor-Leftovers
Impiish-252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk
Earthquake
Aerial Ace
Roost
Stealth Rock

May I ask why so much attack?

Vaporeon-Leftovers
Bold-252 HP, 164 SpDef, 92 Def ???
Substitute/Ice Beam
Baton Pass
Wish/Ice Beam
Surf

Bold please, dunno about the EV's, I run Ice Beam over Wish on mine, so I don't have the EV spread you want I think...

Well any suggestions would be appreciated.

After all that is said and done, CB or SD Weavile can rampage your team if the opponent runs 252 Spd. EV's. Perhaps try Weezing over Gliscor for your Physical Wall, it also walls Ground attacks on Heatran and takes CB/CS Heracross to the cleaners.

[email protected] Sludge
Bold
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Sp. Def

Fire Blast
Thunderbolt
Haze/WoW
Pain Split

Regards,

~T_S

Eos Aduro February 22nd, 2008 11:52 AM

Ok, people, Thats TYRANIBOAH!!! And its AWESOME! You've probably not ever seen it used is all, it actually is WAY better than physical. Well the fighting weak is probably best solved with removing Weavile, and want Gliscor to stay since he benefits from Boah. Hmmm, Weavile could be replaced for maybe Heracross, he stops fighting attacks well.

Outlawed February 22nd, 2008 12:33 PM

yeah it's Tyranitar Boah. but you are using it wrong.
Special T-Tar really can't do anything and with quiet nature you are asking for weavile to come down there and do baaaad things to you since focus blast keeps on mising.

luke February 22nd, 2008 12:37 PM

No, he's using it right. That's the standard wall breaker. Tyranitar can use Special Attack surprisingly well.

Outlawed February 22nd, 2008 12:46 PM

I think special Tar is a waste of space. Maybe 1 special attack to surpirse yes, but throwing away it's atk to ME is meh.
personal opinion.

Dark Azelf February 22nd, 2008 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlawed (Post 3359778)
I think special Tar is a waste of space. Maybe 1 special attack to surpirse yes, but throwing away it's atk to ME is meh.
personal opinion.

Its not special, its mixed.


Focus Punch kills blissey, Snorlax etc.

It makes 101 HP Subs, which cannot be broken by a single seismic toss.

Thunderbolt beats Gyarados, Skarmory, Starmie, Suicune etc OR in his case Ice Beam beats bulky ground types, 2hkoing Donphan, Hippowdon, OHKoing Garchomp, Gliscor etc.

Dark pulse beats Dusknoir, Cresselia, Celebi, Uxie, etc.


Your not throwing away its attack, your evening them out so it can mix sweep/tank.

Use it before you knock it plesh =)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlawed (Post 3359778)
Special T-Tar really can't do anything and with quiet nature you are asking for weavile to come down there and do baaaad things to you since focus blast keeps on mising


Edit : Weavile gets raped if you have a sub up btw. Hence Focus Punch

Anti February 22nd, 2008 1:35 PM

Whoever said Twave on Blissey, please notice nothing on this team really benefits from para support...

BTW Boah is really good in the right hands. Don't just assume it sucks. Actually it's my favorite Tyranitar set.

Also Jimmyray, would it really be a bright idea to use SD Weavile with a focus sash when Tyranitar is the lead of this team?

Also people seriously underestimate toxic Blissey. Some things will want to outstall it and you can spam bulky grounds with a status they won't like so much. You can disable Gyarados and Garchomp switching in as well.

IMO Thunder Wave is meh on blissey since Toxic will help it out way more.

Eos Aduro February 22nd, 2008 2:31 PM

Thank you Anti, and Im thinking of switching Gengar in for Heatran to mmake up for the fighting weak, and ideas?

Anti February 22nd, 2008 2:34 PM

Using gengar to resist stuff will come back to bite you. Dusknoir is more reliable since it can take hits he's not immune to :P Spiritomb works too, or any somewhat bulky ghost.

Jimmyray February 22nd, 2008 2:35 PM

Personal preference, I'm one who likes speed, and with a single TWave even a fat biatch like Blissey can outspeed things.

Eos Aduro February 22nd, 2008 2:37 PM

I suppose, but I need a way around the fighting weak besides Gliscor, since if he falls Im open to geting sweeped, and I don't want to lose Vaporeon or Boah, who seem the most replacable

I prefer Toxic for being evil.

flamehaze94 February 22nd, 2008 2:46 PM

Posting to say that Tyraniboah is perhaps the WORST lead, like ever. It's built to switch in (key words) to stuff like Blissey and non-EQ Snorlax, set a Sub, and kill the opposing counter.

Honestly though, why bother with Substitute when Blissey's going to switch out anyway? The set I run is Fire Blast/Ice Beam/Crunch/Focus Punch, and let me tell you that I works much better, if you have good prediction that is.



NO just NO, never run Dark Pulse on Heatran. Just use Fire Blast over Flamethrower. And neutral Fire Blast does more damage than super effective Dark Pulse. Leaving room for, another move like a Hidden Power or even Explosion.

Eos Aduro February 22nd, 2008 4:46 PM

I like Boah lead. Everyone thinks it ISN'T boah and switches into a physical wall anyways.

Dark Pulse was filler, I think I'll go for HP... Ice makes the most sense.

And a way around the fighting weakness... I want to keep Wish Support since Boah+Wish support=pownage, what I need is a special wall that resists fighting... um... Hypno??? >_<

OMG GOOD PLAN!! Uxie!!! Well maybe not, why are all the special walls ALSO mixed walls -_-, unless I use a mixed wall and just pump the special into it!


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