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~!Fuddmeyer!~ February 22nd, 2008 6:39 PM

[Sandstorm Team] "Team Sandbox"
 
Tyranitar @ Choice Band *Lead*
Adamant
EVs: 60 HP / 252 Atk / 196 Spe
Moveset:
~ Crunch
~ Stone Edge
~ Earthquake
~ Pursuit

~~~~~

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Moveset:
~ Earthquake
~ Ice Fang
~ Roar
~ Slack Off

~~~~~

Cradily @ Leftovers
Sassy
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 92 SpD
Moveset:
~ Grass Knot
~ Rock Slide
~ Recover
~ Stealth Rock

~~~~~

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Liquid Ooze
Calm
EVs: 204 HP / 74 Def / 60 SpA / 172 SpD
Moveset:
~ Surf
~ Hidden Power [Electric]
~ Rapid Spin
~ Toxic Spikes

~~~~~

Metagross @ Life Orb
Adamant
EVs: 152 HP / 252 Atk / 104 Spe
Moveset:
~ Meteor Mash
~ Earthquake
~ Agility
~ ThunderPunch

~~~~~

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Modest
EVs: 20 HP / 252 SpA / 236 Spe
Moveset:
~ Fire Blast
~ Earth Power
~ Hidden Power [Ice]
~ Explosion

~~~~~

El Gofre February 23rd, 2008 4:48 AM

This team is kinda walling overkill. In fact is Physical walling overkill. Yes they may all get spec def boosts but you still need a dedicated special wall. If you wanna keep your same pokes then conver cradily to a full special wall. Oh and like you said Hippo and glisgor is overkill, switch one for a second special attacker otherwise physical walls are gonna be laughing at you when heartran dies.

Gymnotide February 23rd, 2008 7:26 AM

Cradily is actually a great Special Wall with Sandstorm on. I can usually get away with 40%, even with Calm Mind buffs, just because Sandstorm increases its HUGE Sp. Def. And then it can fire back with Mirror Coat.

I know my Cradily set is especially weak against Steel-types who sweep Physically, but it looks like this:

Cradily @ Leftovers
Suction Cups, some EV spread
-- Barrier
-- Toxic
-- Recover
-- Mirror Coat

Barrier wards away Physical Sweepers, since after 6+, they have to rely on Critical hits. Then once the Special Sweepers come in, you fire back with Mirror Coat.

It's especially entertaining to have a foe switch in an Infernape or something, Taunt you, then try to Nasty Plot 3 times, then kill itself with Flamethrower.

If used correctly, it can sweep teams, but that also means moderation and knowing what to switch out on.

~!Fuddmeyer!~ February 23rd, 2008 7:38 AM

I added Tentacruel in place of Gliscor. So now I have a Special Wall and a guess you could use tenta as a special sweeper in certain situations...

Dark Azelf February 23rd, 2008 7:40 AM

Keep Cradily as it currently is.

Heatran is not a Mixape counter as it cannot switch in on Close Combat. A counter is a pokemon who can switch in to another pokemon and take little or not damage and cause a threat to the opposition pokemon and threaten to beat it or cause a switch.


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204 HP / 74 DEF / 60 SP.ATT / 172 SP.DEF.
Calm Nature
Trait : liquid Ooze
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic Spikes
- Surf / Hydro pump
- ice Beam / Hidden power Electric

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127 HP / 120 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Thunderbolt / Ice beam
- Surf
- Recover
- Rapid Spin

Put one of the above somewhere as they are classed as mixape counters.


If you choose tenta take toxic off Cradily and give it Sassy Nature and Energy Ball/Grass Knot, as your team is morbidly walled by swampert.




EDIT : Oh you added Tenta, actually keep Gliscor,as your gonna be screwed by heracross due to toxic spikes.

~!Fuddmeyer!~ February 23rd, 2008 7:45 AM

Thank You, Dark_Azelf. I have made some changes to cradily and added in tentacruel. May I ask, what does more damage to swampert? energy ball or grass knot?

Dark Azelf February 23rd, 2008 7:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~!Fuddmeyer!~ (Post 3362807)
Thank You, Dark_Azelf. I have made some changes to cradily and added in tentacruel. May I ask, what does more damage to swampert? energy ball or grass knot?

Id guess Grass Knot, i think it hits if for 120 base power. Both Rape it so meh.

~!Fuddmeyer!~ February 23rd, 2008 7:51 AM

I saw you're edit but I want to keep tenta, so should I put knock off instead of toxic spikes so hera doesnt sweep my entire team?

Dark Azelf February 23rd, 2008 8:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~!Fuddmeyer!~ (Post 3362824)
I saw you're edit but I want to keep tenta, so should I put knock off instead of toxic spikes so hera doesnt sweep my entire team?

I think Knock off is illegal with Rapid Spin. Maybe Sludge bomb ?

~!Fuddmeyer!~ February 23rd, 2008 8:07 AM

Oh I didn't know it was illegal together, Dang u smogon!

I did have sludge bomb on him before you posted.... should I add it again?

(high poison rate is still coaxing hera to switch in)

Dark Azelf February 23rd, 2008 8:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~!Fuddmeyer!~ (Post 3362873)
Oh I didn't know it was illegal together, Dang u smogon!

I did have sludge bomb on him before you posted.... should I add it again?

(high poison rate is still coaxing hera to switch in)

Yep, it says on Smogon that they are ilegal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smogon
Knock Off and Rapid Spin are incompatible breeding moves, so pick which you need most. Even if you go with Knock Off, Tentacruel can still serve as your "spinner", but only to remove Toxic Spikes, by absorbing them as he switches in.

You could run tenta w/Toxic Spikes in conjunction with Gliscor then you wouldnt fear Hera.

But Yea sludge bomb is ok. It hasnt got that high a poison rate, if you predict a Hera Switch in just surf it or go to the appropriate counter.

~!Fuddmeyer!~ February 23rd, 2008 8:21 AM

Ok thank you. I'll stop bugging you now.

EDIT: Should I get rid of Hippowdon for Gliscor as a Physical Wall/Hera counter?

Anti February 23rd, 2008 10:00 AM

4 pokemon weak to EQ does not help this team at all and the other two don't exactly resist it.

Cradily as your only form of special walling will not work. Toxispikes or Toxic will shut down your entire team barring the steels. also Agilitygross is a totally outdated set that needs SD passing to work anymore.

Dark Azelf February 23rd, 2008 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3363193)
4 pokemon weak to EQ does not help this team at all and the other two don't exactly resist it.

Cradily as your only form of special walling will not work. Toxispikes or Toxic will shut down your entire team barring the steels. also Agilitygross is a totally outdated set that needs SD passing to work anymore.

Tentacruel absorbs toxic spikes upon entry.

But yeah, you need an EQ resist/Immunity.

Anti February 23rd, 2008 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3363204)
Tentacruel absorbs toxic spikes upon entry.

But yeah, you need an EQ resist/Immunity.

Woah how does it do that? <---My noobiness at DP is showing hehe

Gyarados with Earthquake (as in, all good gyarados) will totally fry this team. I don't know what Metagross takes from a DDed EQ but it has to hurt. I imagine Cradily stalling it a bit and giving it some problems but a few Waterfall flinches will be game set and match.

Fighters also run rampant, and this team can't take water attacks.

Dark Azelf February 23rd, 2008 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3363224)
Woah how does it do that? <---My noobiness at DP is showing hehe

Gyarados with Earthquake (as in, all good gyarados) will totally fry this team. I don't know what Metagross takes from a DDed EQ but it has to hurt. I imagine Cradily stalling it a bit and giving it some problems but a few Waterfall flinches will be game set and match.

Fighters also run rampant, and this team can't take water attacks.

Just switching into them, all poison types do, apart from if they float *Looks at Gengar and Weezing*.


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