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Uber Rate
So I've read up on Ubers today, and I've redone the whole team.
[email protected] Scarf Mild~214 Attack/252 Sp. Atk/44 Speed Shadow Ball Thunderbolt Drain Punch Selfdestruct So this leads the team, with the given EVs, it outruns a Timid, Max Speed, Scarfed Kyogre by 1 point, letting me Thunderbolt it with max Sp. Atk. You may say Wtf to Drain Punch, but the fact that it OHKOs Darkrai and heals me in the process makes it worthwhile. Also counters Steel type Arceus. [email protected] Calm~176 Defense/80 Sp. Attack/252 Sp. Def Ability: Natural Cure Ice Beam Thunder Softboiled Calm Mind Standard Uber Bliss. [email protected] Sassy~252 HP/58 Atk/200 Sp. Def Ability: Levitate Rest Sleep Talk Gyro Ball Earthquake Bronzong in Uber has to be able to take a lot of Special hits, and this thing can. It walls Rayquaza like crazing, hitting it with an extremely powerful Gyro Ball. I just have to watch out for Overheat, but with the given EVs, Adamant nature on the Rayquayza, and the Special Attack lower, I'm not too worried. Still deciding between Toxic and Earthquake, Toxic because it wears down stuff, and it's not like anyone will be switching in a Metagross to beat me, and Earthquake so that Magnezone doesn't switch in and leave Bronzong nothing to work with. [email protected] Scarf Modest~252 Special Attack/252 Speed Water Spout Ice Beam Thunder Surf This is for Late-Game sweeping, after most of my Pokemon have gotten their benifits from Sunny Day. Water Spout hitting first with max HP and a Modest nature can be a scary thought, so with the Choice Scarf, it's possible. (still the same) [email protected] Impish~252 HP/252 Defense/6 Attack Spikes/Toxic Spikes Rapid Spin Earthquake Stealth Rock I'm still deciding on this thing as well, Toxic Spikes to wear everything down, which would allow me to use Earthquake on Bronzong instead of Toxic, although extra damage on switchins helps a lot. With Earthquake, I gain a move to hit T-Tar and Metagross with, Possibly even an Extremekiller Arceus if it's dumb enough to try an set up on me. [email protected] Orb Adamant~42 HP/252 Attack/216 Speed Dragon Dance Earthquake Extremespeed Outrage So this is my Rayquaza, standard. So that's my revamped team. Have fun. |
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but if blissey is your only form of special walling you're about screwed (at least lacking S-Toss). Attack Deoxys will destroy your team like it does to almost all uber teams, if not all of them, and you really have trouble with it. Diagla and Palkia will also be a problem. Also Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza on the same team just isn't going to work since their abilities all conflict with each other's. It makes it really hard to let the team have synergy. |
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I have Extremespeed to at least activate Deoxys-A's Focus Sash, if they aren't running with a Life Orb that is. Yeah, I'll definatly be adding Seismic toss. And I like Boltbeam on Mewtwo more. |
SDSalac Groudon is pretty useful:
Groudon @ Salac Berry Adamant Nature EVs: 252 Atk/252 Speed/6HP - Fire Punch - EQ - Dragon Claw - Swords Dance Almost infinite attack power by the time Salac activates. Jolly could also be considered for that little bit extra. ScarfKyogre is a beast. He also makes a great lead if you ever want to switch things around. |
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I won't be using that, not because I don't like it, but because I already have Arceus to Swords Dance up. |
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Actually you have a problem with Sheddy in general, since one misplay with Groudon and you can't hit Sheddy at all. |
Well, before I had access to Stealth Rock, which would kill him, but I guess now Shadow ball is needed more. Plus it hits Giratina better than Ice Beam.
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EVs: 176 Def / 80 SAtk / 252 SDef Calm nature Trait : natural Cure - ice Beam - Thunder - Softboiled - Calm Mind /Psych Up Is standard Uber Bliss. You'll want either Calm mind or Psych Up in that last move, CM Latios, CM Kyogre,etc just stat up and waste you if you dont run it . Thunder gets a 100% accuracy and really helps against foe Kyogre, it also has a nice 30% paralysis rate. S-Toss is just....no. good luck 7hkoing everything lol Youll want something steel to soak up DD outrages from Rayquaza. Forry, Skarm, CB Metagross, Dialga all do this well. Id suggest Dialga and run support set of [email protected] 252 HP / 200 DEF / 56 ATT Impish nature - Dragon Claw - Bulk Up - Thunderwave - Stealth Rock No Rock Polish or swords dance on Groudon ? Choice Band it then. |
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If I realize that I have a lot of trouble with Rayquaza I'll probably lead my team off with a CSMetagross set I made up. It's got Ice Punch. |
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~T_S |
I don't see what Blissey is doing trying to Psych Up/Calm Mind with everything, one critical hit and game over for not just blissey but the entire team.
IMO Blissey needs backup, especially since a ton of sweepers (Diagla, Deoxys-A) have a move just to beat it. Also Mewtwo can Taunt Blissey and stop it from using Psych Up or Calm Mind, set up, and murder your entire team which is no fun :( |
It is a Special Wall though, unlike in OU, Blissey is meant to provide purely special defense. Dark_Azelf is on the money though, Dialga support works great.
~T_S |
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I don't know if you were paying attention Tortured_Soul, but I'm NOT getting rid of Kyogre or Groudon.
Get it into your thick skull. And that Giratina set isn't straight from Smogon fyi, I actually worked hard on those EVs, and don't think Smogon should be getting credit for them. |
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Crit hits dont really happen often, if you want bliss as set up fodder be my guest. |
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If you read my whole post, rather than trying to find a way to exploit me, you would see that I said "Blissey is purely a Special Wall in Ubers". Many Mewtwo these days are Physical with Focus Punch and lead, so it doesn't matter which way you go. ~T_S |
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All I'm saying is that CM Mewtwo beats this entire team really easily. I'm not endorsing Seismic toss, I'm saying ch's will kill psych up or CM Blissey and Mewtwo will as well.
Also T_S I did read your whole post :/ Blissey might be a special wall but it cannot wall CM Mewtwo which is why I'm saying this team needs a counter :/ EDIT: Ooka is right, and Taunt makes Psych Up/CM worthless. Mewtwo gets 6 CMs really easily on this team and gg. |
Alright, then what about the idea of Roar on Groudon?
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I Said its for stuff like Latios . Not mewtwo. Quote:
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Mewtwo can Taunt that and then hit you really hard since Groudon's special defense isn't exactly spectacular.
Changing that Arceus to a defensive-minded set to allow for the destruction of Mewtwo would be cool. I don't know, I'm not an expert on the uber metagame, I'm a rookie at it myself ^_^ EDIT: Dark_Azelf, niothing I've said has been aimed at you. All I'm saying is that this team CANNOT WALL CALM MIND MEWTWO. I never said that you're trying to do that with the blissey set you gave, I'm saying this team can do it at all >.> also when I said 6 CMs I was sayying that Mewtwo can set up and easily rack up 6 CM boosts and sweep this team. |
Wait, what am I thinking, a STAB/Life Orb/Possible Swords Dance extremespeed kills Mewtwo. I'm not too worried.
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Also read my edit. |
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Theres an anti mewtwo t-tar, it has max hp and sp.def and careful nature and runs the standard choice band set up. It survives Aura Spheres lol. Bug Arceus does well, thats counting on if it isnt packing Flamethrower. Which is very rare. |
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Bug Arceus would be a lot more reliable than the extreme killer in the sense that Mewtwo sweeps this team dry. Again, watch out for Mixed diagla, the little bugger. EDIT: woot bad pun ^_^ |
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