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Ooka February 23rd, 2008 1:59 PM

Uber Rate
 
So I've read up on Ubers today, and I've redone the whole team.

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Mild~214 Attack/252 Sp. Atk/44 Speed
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Drain Punch
Selfdestruct

So this leads the team, with the given EVs, it outruns a Timid, Max Speed, Scarfed Kyogre by 1 point, letting me Thunderbolt it with max Sp. Atk. You may say Wtf to Drain Punch, but the fact that it OHKOs Darkrai and heals me in the process makes it worthwhile. Also counters Steel type Arceus.

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Calm~176 Defense/80 Sp. Attack/252 Sp. Def
Ability: Natural Cure
Ice Beam
Thunder
Softboiled
Calm Mind

Standard Uber Bliss.

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Sassy~252 HP/58 Atk/200 Sp. Def
Ability: Levitate
Rest
Sleep Talk
Gyro Ball
Earthquake

Bronzong in Uber has to be able to take a lot of Special hits, and this thing can. It walls Rayquaza like crazing, hitting it with an extremely powerful Gyro Ball. I just have to watch out for Overheat, but with the given EVs, Adamant nature on the Rayquayza, and the Special Attack lower, I'm not too worried. Still deciding between Toxic and Earthquake, Toxic because it wears down stuff, and it's not like anyone will be switching in a Metagross to beat me, and Earthquake so that Magnezone doesn't switch in and leave Bronzong nothing to work with.

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Modest~252 Special Attack/252 Speed
Water Spout
Ice Beam
Thunder
Surf

This is for Late-Game sweeping, after most of my Pokemon have gotten their benifits from Sunny Day. Water Spout hitting first with max HP and a Modest nature can be a scary thought, so with the Choice Scarf, it's possible. (still the same)

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Impish~252 HP/252 Defense/6 Attack
Spikes/Toxic Spikes
Rapid Spin
Earthquake
Stealth Rock

I'm still deciding on this thing as well, Toxic Spikes to wear everything down, which would allow me to use Earthquake on Bronzong instead of Toxic, although extra damage on switchins helps a lot. With Earthquake, I gain a move to hit T-Tar and Metagross with, Possibly even an Extremekiller Arceus if it's dumb enough to try an set up on me.

[email protected] Orb
Adamant~42 HP/252 Attack/216 Speed
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Extremespeed
Outrage

So this is my Rayquaza, standard.

So that's my revamped team. Have fun.

Anti February 23rd, 2008 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ooka (Post 3363869)
Alright, so don't hate me for doing this, but I'm quite interested in the Uber Metagame, mainly because I've never battled in it before.

Whadya mean? Ubers is fun, even though I suck at it bigtime.

[email protected] Orb/Choice Band
Brave~252 HP/252 Attack/6 Sp. Atk
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Fire Blast/Overheat/Fire Punch
Dragon Claw

So this leads the team, with a Brave nature, not only does it always get the sun on my side against Kyogre, plus gives me extra power if I use Fire Blast, because of the Neutral nature in Sp. Atk. Dragon Claw helps greatly against Giratina, although I don't expect it to do that much against the great beast. If anythings stupid enough to switch into a Life Orb (If I choose it), then I'm pretty sure it'll be regretting it.

Don't really see the point of fire blast in all honesty. Hitting waters or Kyogre switching in sounds much mroe beneficial to me.

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Careful~88 Sp. Def/252 HP/170 Defense
Will-O-Wisp
Dragon Claw
Sleep Talk
Rest

Mainly just my Darkrai counter, this thing just loves taking it's Dark Void and hitting back with Dragon Claw. Will-O-Wisp so that Rayquaza doesn't set up and sweep my team while I'm asleep. I'm hoping those EVs will work, although if anyone thinks they won't, let me know why.

Alright.

[email protected] Orb/Leftovers
Adamant~252 HP/252 Attack/6 Speed
Extremespeed
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Shadow Claw

Yeah, I don't know much about Arceus, so I stole this from Smogon :o

There are better Arceus sets but meh.

[email protected] Scarf
Modest~252 Special Attack/252 Speed
Water Spout
Ice Beam
Thunder
Surf

This is for Late-Game sweeping, after most of my Pokemon have gotten their benifits from Sunny Day. Water Spout hitting first with max HP and a Modest nature can be a scary thought, so with the Choice Scarf, it's possible.

Ew, on the same team as groudon and Rayray...

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Calm~252 HP/200 Sp. Def/58 Sp Atk
Ability: Serene Grace
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam/Flamethrower
Softboiled
Seismic Toss

This thing is basically the perfect counter for Kyogre, even though a max HP Water Spout hurts like a mofo. It's pretty hard to set up a Stealth Rock in Uber, but if you can it really screws Ho-Oh over. I need a little help deciding between Flamethrower and Ice Beam.

Um who uses Ho-oh? Without Seismic Toss EVERYTHING will Calm Mind up on you, like Mewtwo, the [email protected], Kyogre even...

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Timid~252 Speed/42 HP/100 Defense/116 Sp. Atk
Substitute
Calm Mind
Aura Sphere
Shadow Ball


Basically the Uber version of Raikou, although it has access to Recover. I'm deciding on if I should keep Thunderbolt on him, or use Recover, Boltbeam is awesome, so if no one has anything to say, it's what I'm going with.

You have Rain support so thunder would be more useful.Aura Sphere/Shadow Ball has equally good coverage and hits more ubers harder.

So yeah, I'm sure no one here likes Ubers, but, well, I do ._.

Who doesn't like sweeping everything in sight?

but if blissey is your only form of special walling you're about screwed (at least lacking S-Toss). Attack Deoxys will destroy your team like it does to almost all uber teams, if not all of them, and you really have trouble with it. Diagla and Palkia will also be a problem.

Also Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza on the same team just isn't going to work since their abilities all conflict with each other's. It makes it really hard to let the team have synergy.

Ooka February 23rd, 2008 2:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3363902)
Who doesn't like sweeping everything in sight?

but if blissey is your only form of special walling you're about screwed (at least lacking S-Toss). Attack Deoxys will destroy your team like it does to almost all uber teams, if not all of them, and you really have trouble with it. Diagla and Palkia will also be a problem.

Also Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza on the same team just isn't going to work since their abilities all conflict with each other's. It makes it really hard to let the team have synergy.

Um, I think you misunderstand, My Kyogre is for LateGame cleanup. And Groudon is to keep a common lead like Kyogre from getting the rain against me. Fire Blast is to OHKO Skarmory, since it does get used in Ubers occasionally. Plus, I don't know what you mean under Kyogre, I don't have Rayquaza on my team :o

I have Extremespeed to at least activate Deoxys-A's Focus Sash, if they aren't running with a Life Orb that is.

Yeah, I'll definatly be adding Seismic toss. And I like Boltbeam on Mewtwo more.

LethalTexture February 23rd, 2008 2:28 PM

SDSalac Groudon is pretty useful:

Groudon @ Salac Berry
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Speed/6HP

- Fire Punch
- EQ
- Dragon Claw
- Swords Dance

Almost infinite attack power by the time Salac activates. Jolly could also be considered for that little bit extra.

ScarfKyogre is a beast. He also makes a great lead if you ever want to switch things around.

Ooka February 23rd, 2008 2:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanoDance (Post 3363961)
SDSalac Groudon is pretty useful:

Groudon @ Salac Berry
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Speed/6HP

- Fire Punch
- EQ
- Dragon Claw
- Swords Dance

Almost infinite attack power by the time Salac activates. Jolly could also be considered for that little bit extra.

ScarfKyogre is a beast. He also makes a great lead if you ever want to switch things around.


I won't be using that, not because I don't like it, but because I already have Arceus to Swords Dance up.

Anti February 23rd, 2008 2:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ooka (Post 3363922)
Um, I think you misunderstand, My Kyogre is for LateGame cleanup.

Sometimes you will need to use it in the early game though, which will mess everything up.

And Groudon is to keep a common lead like Kyogre from getting the rain against me. Fire Blast is to OHKO Skarmory, since it does get used in Ubers occasionally.

Not enough to really warrant its use. Besides, you can destroy skarm anyways.

Plus, I don't know what you mean under Kyogre, I don't have Rayquaza on my team :o

I confused myslef when you mentioned that under Giratina >.> I need sleep ;)

I have Extremespeed to at least activate Deoxys-A's Focus Sash, if they aren't running with a Life Orb that is.

If Arceus switches into Attack Deoxys it'll be very obvious it's the extreme killer and that'll be that.

Yeah, I'll definatly be adding Seismic toss. And I like Boltbeam on Mewtwo more.

Um Boltbeam isn't very useful in ubers compared to AS/SB.

Really Boltbeam beats Kyogre and groundon well, but Aura Sphere and Shadow Ball hit the flurry of psychic ubers better, especially defense Deoxys, who sets up spikes on your entire team and pretty much stalls you to death. what Boltbeam hits harder you have covered already so I don't see the point. also (as funny as this may sound) Sheddy walls your team really badly and will stop Mewtwo from sweeping.

Actually you have a problem with Sheddy in general, since one misplay with Groudon and you can't hit Sheddy at all.

Ooka February 23rd, 2008 2:38 PM

Well, before I had access to Stealth Rock, which would kill him, but I guess now Shadow ball is needed more. Plus it hits Giratina better than Ice Beam.

Dark Azelf February 23rd, 2008 2:44 PM

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EVs: 176 Def / 80 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm nature
Trait : natural Cure
- ice Beam
- Thunder
- Softboiled
- Calm Mind /Psych Up

Is standard Uber Bliss.


You'll want either Calm mind or Psych Up in that last move, CM Latios, CM Kyogre,etc just stat up and waste you if you dont run it . Thunder gets a 100% accuracy and really helps against foe Kyogre, it also has a nice 30% paralysis rate.

S-Toss is just....no. good luck 7hkoing everything lol


Youll want something steel to soak up DD outrages from Rayquaza. Forry, Skarm, CB Metagross, Dialga all do this well. Id suggest Dialga and run support set of

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252 HP / 200 DEF / 56 ATT
Impish nature
- Dragon Claw
- Bulk Up
- Thunderwave
- Stealth Rock


No Rock Polish or swords dance on Groudon ? Choice Band it then.

Ooka February 23rd, 2008 2:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3364011)
[email protected]
EVs: 176 Def / 80 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm nature
Trait : natural Cure
- ice Beam
- Thunder
- Softboiled
- Calm Mind /Psych Up

Is standard Uber Bliss.


You'll want either Calm mind or Psych Up in that last move, CM Latios, CM Kyogre,etc just stat up and waste you if you dont run it . Thunder gets a 100% accuracy and really helps against foe Kyogre, it also has a nice 30% paralysis rate.

S-Toss is just....no. good luck 7hkoing everything lol


Youll want something steel to soak up DD outrages from Rayquaza. Forry, Skarm, CB Metagross, Dialga all do this well. Id suggest Dialga and run support set of

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252 HP / 200 DEF / 56 ATT
Impish nature
- Dragon Claw
- Bulk Up
- Thunderwave
- Stealth Rock


No Rock Polish or swords dance on Groudon ? Choice Band it then.

(I really don't want to CB my Groudon, so I'll be sticking with Life Orb, I don't really want to keep my Groudon alive for a long time anyways, mainly just to start everything off, much like a Weavile lead or something)

If I realize that I have a lot of trouble with Rayquaza I'll probably lead my team off with a CSMetagross set I made up. It's got Ice Punch.

Ársa February 23rd, 2008 3:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ooka (Post 3363869)
Alright, so don't hate me for doing this, but I'm quite interested in the Uber Metagame, mainly because I've never battled in it before.

[email protected] Orb/Choice Band
Brave~252 HP/252 Attack/6 Defense
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Fire Punch
Dragon Claw

So this leads the team, with a Brave nature, not only does it always get the sun on my side against Kyogre, plus gives me extra power if I use Fire Blast, because of the Neutral nature in Sp. Atk. Dragon Claw helps greatly against Giratina, although I don't expect it to do that much against the great beast. If anythings stupid enough to switch into a Life Orb (If I choose it), then I'm pretty sure it'll be regretting it.

Fine

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Careful~88 Sp. Def/252 HP/170 Defense
Will-O-Wisp
Dragon Claw
Sleep Talk
Rest

Mainly just my Darkrai counter, this thing just loves taking it's Dark Void and hitting back with Dragon Claw. Will-O-Wisp so that Rayquaza doesn't set up and sweep my team while I'm asleep. I'm hoping those EVs will work, although if anyone thinks they won't, let me know why.

Straight from Smogon. :P

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Adamant~252 HP/252 Attack/6 Speed
Extremespeed
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Shadow Claw

Yeah, I don't know much about Arceus, so I stole this from Smogon :o

Yep, too bad it works. ;)

[email protected] Scarf
Modest~252 Special Attack/252 Speed
Water Spout
Ice Beam
Thunder
Surf

This is for Late-Game sweeping, after most of my Pokemon have gotten their benifits from Sunny Day. Water Spout hitting first with max HP and a Modest nature can be a scary thought, so with the Choice Scarf, it's possible.


If you want to change the weather, get Rayquaza in to Air Lock for you. This works far better as a lead though, perhaps have it over Groudon? Blissey has Thunder, but if you need it to wall something early, it won't be doing much with it.

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Calm~252 HP/184 Sp. Def/72 Sp Atk
Ability: Serene Grace
Thunder
Icy Wind
Softboiled
Calm Mind

This thing is basically the perfect counter for Kyogre, even though a max HP Water Spout hurts like a mofo. Seismic toss prevents a lot of things from setting up on me.

Thankyou Dark_Azelf. :)

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Timid~252 Speed/42 HP/100 Defense/116 Sp. Atk
Substitute
Calm Mind
Shadow Ball
Aura Sphere

Basically the Uber version of Raikou, although it has access to Recover. I'm deciding on if I should keep Thunderbolt on him, or use Recover, Boltbeam is awesome, so if no one has anything to say, it's what I'm going with.

No Idea sorry...

So yeah, I'm sure no one here likes Ubers, but, well, I do ._.

Yeah, no Kyogre and Groudon on the same team. If you want to change the weather, have quaza in there with Air Lock.

~T_S

Anti February 23rd, 2008 3:03 PM

I don't see what Blissey is doing trying to Psych Up/Calm Mind with everything, one critical hit and game over for not just blissey but the entire team.

IMO Blissey needs backup, especially since a ton of sweepers (Diagla, Deoxys-A) have a move just to beat it. Also Mewtwo can Taunt Blissey and stop it from using Psych Up or Calm Mind, set up, and murder your entire team which is no fun :(

Ársa February 23rd, 2008 3:06 PM

It is a Special Wall though, unlike in OU, Blissey is meant to provide purely special defense. Dark_Azelf is on the money though, Dialga support works great.

~T_S

Anti February 23rd, 2008 3:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tortured_Soul (Post 3364087)
It is a Special Wall though, unlike in OU, Blissey is meant to provide purely special defense. Dark_Azelf is on the money though, Dialga support works great.

~T_S

Blissey can't wall a Mewtwo with six Calm Minds.

Ooka February 23rd, 2008 3:07 PM

I don't know if you were paying attention Tortured_Soul, but I'm NOT getting rid of Kyogre or Groudon.

Get it into your thick skull.

And that Giratina set isn't straight from Smogon fyi, I actually worked hard on those EVs, and don't think Smogon should be getting credit for them.

Dark Azelf February 23rd, 2008 3:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3364076)
I don't see what Blissey is doing trying to Psych Up/Calm Mind with everything, one critical hit and game over for not just blissey but the entire team.

IMO Blissey needs backup, especially since a ton of sweepers (Diagla, Deoxys-A) have a move just to beat it. Also Mewtwo can Taunt Blissey and stop it from using Psych Up or Calm Mind, set up, and murder your entire team which is no fun :(

Which is why i said Latios etc aswell, allot of special sweepers in ubers have stat up moves, have you ever had a Kyogre Calm mind up in your face ? it need some sort of stat up more or its set up fodder.

Crit hits dont really happen often, if you want bliss as set up fodder be my guest.

Ársa February 23rd, 2008 3:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3364091)
Blissey can't wall a Mewtwo with six Calm Minds.

It isn't meant too... >_>

If you read my whole post, rather than trying to find a way to exploit me, you would see that I said "Blissey is purely a Special Wall in Ubers". Many Mewtwo these days are Physical with Focus Punch and lead, so it doesn't matter which way you go.

~T_S

Ooka February 23rd, 2008 3:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tortured_Soul (Post 3364102)
It isn't meant too... >_>

If you read my whole post, rather than trying to find a way to exploit me, you would see that I said "Blissey is purely a Special Wall in Ubers". Many Mewtwo these days are Physical with Focus Punch and lead, so it doesn't matter which way you go.

~T_S

Even a Mewtwo with CM and Aura Sphere beats Blissey.

Anti February 23rd, 2008 3:12 PM

All I'm saying is that CM Mewtwo beats this entire team really easily. I'm not endorsing Seismic toss, I'm saying ch's will kill psych up or CM Blissey and Mewtwo will as well.

Also T_S I did read your whole post :/

Blissey might be a special wall but it cannot wall CM Mewtwo which is why I'm saying this team needs a counter :/

EDIT: Ooka is right, and Taunt makes Psych Up/CM worthless. Mewtwo gets 6 CMs really easily on this team and gg.

Ooka February 23rd, 2008 3:14 PM

Alright, then what about the idea of Roar on Groudon?

Dark Azelf February 23rd, 2008 3:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3364109)
All I'm saying is that CM Mewtwo beats this entire team really easily. I'm not endorsing Seismic toss, I'm saying ch's will kill psych up or CM Blissey and Mewtwo will as well.

Also T_S I did read your whole post :/

Blissey might be a special wall but it cannot wall CM Mewtwo which is why I'm saying this team needs a counter :/

EDIT: Ooka is right, and Taunt makes Psych Up/CM worthless. Mewtwo gets 6 CMs really easily on this team and gg.

Firstly why in the blue hell are we trying to wall a Mewtwo with 6 Calm Minds ??

I Said its for stuff like Latios . Not mewtwo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jibaku
For maximum special walling capablities, people go with Thunder, Ice Beam, Softboiled and either Calm Mind or Psych Up. Psych Up can grab stat boosts from things like Latios if he Calm Minds quite a bit, while Calm Mind lets it stat up on Pokemon who may not set up like Roar-less Giratina


Anti February 23rd, 2008 3:16 PM

Mewtwo can Taunt that and then hit you really hard since Groudon's special defense isn't exactly spectacular.

Changing that Arceus to a defensive-minded set to allow for the destruction of Mewtwo would be cool. I don't know, I'm not an expert on the uber metagame, I'm a rookie at it myself ^_^

EDIT: Dark_Azelf, niothing I've said has been aimed at you. All I'm saying is that this team CANNOT WALL CALM MIND MEWTWO. I never said that you're trying to do that with the blissey set you gave, I'm saying this team can do it at all >.>

also when I said 6 CMs I was sayying that Mewtwo can set up and easily rack up 6 CM boosts and sweep this team.

Ooka February 23rd, 2008 3:18 PM

Wait, what am I thinking, a STAB/Life Orb/Possible Swords Dance extremespeed kills Mewtwo. I'm not too worried.

Anti February 23rd, 2008 3:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ooka (Post 3364136)
Wait, what am I thinking, a STAB/Life Orb/Possible Swords Dance extremespeed kills Mewtwo. I'm not too worried.

So you're hoping to revenge kill it? Seriously, one pokemon with a chance of revenge killing something probably isn't going to get it done. Depends on how much you really fear it.

Also read my edit.

Dark Azelf February 23rd, 2008 3:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3364129)
Mewtwo can Taunt that and then hit you really hard since Groudon's special defense isn't exactly spectacular.

Changing that Arceus to a defensive-minded set to allow for the destruction of Mewtwo would be cool. I don't know, I'm not an expert on the uber metagame, I'm a rookie at it myself ^_^

EDIT: Dark_Azelf, niothing I've said has been aimed at you. All I'm saying is that this team CANNOT WALL CALM MIND MEWTWO. I never said that you're trying to do that with the blissey set you gave, I'm saying this team can do it at all >.>

also when I said 6 CMs I was sayying that Mewtwo can set up and easily rack up 6 CM boosts and sweep this team.

I though it was aimed at me.


Theres an anti mewtwo t-tar, it has max hp and sp.def and careful nature and runs the standard choice band set up. It survives Aura Spheres lol.


Bug Arceus does well, thats counting on if it isnt packing Flamethrower. Which is very rare.

Anti February 23rd, 2008 3:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3364154)
I though it was aimed at me.


Theres an anti mewtwo t-tar, it has max hp and sp.def and careful nature and runs the standard choice band set up. It survives Aura Spheres lol.


Bug Arceus does well, thats counting on if it isnt packing Flamethrower. Which is very rare.

BUG Arceus...THAT'S what I was thinking of. My noobiness at ubers is showing again :/

Bug Arceus would be a lot more reliable than the extreme killer in the sense that Mewtwo sweeps this team dry.

Again, watch out for Mixed diagla, the little bugger.

EDIT: woot bad pun ^_^


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