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Unlimited NiGHTS February 24th, 2008 12:54 PM

Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG - New Ban List
 
Unless Upper Deck manages a last-minute change, this'll end up as our ban list, not just Japan's.

The new format bans "Magician of Faith", "Breaker the Magical Warrior", and "Call of the Haunted". We get "Monster Reborn" back to 1, "Raiza the Storm Monarch", "Advanced Ritual Art", and "Ojama Trio" at 1, "Gadget" Effect Monsters, "Pot of Avarice", "Apprentice Magician", "Reckless Greed", "Creature Swap", and "Jinzo" to three, and "Book of Moon", "Necroface", "Cyber Dragon", "Foolish Burial", "Magical Stone Excavation", "Mage Power", and "Light and Darkness Dragon" at 2.

And for those skeptics, here is my proof.

Scarlet Weather February 24th, 2008 1:42 PM

Seriously!? But I thought that the option banlist on WC08 had been confirmed as the official March 2008 list...

Ah, never mind. I'll miss Breaker, but Monster Reborn? Yes, Pleaseandthankyou. Was LaDD being run in threes before anyway? I mean, it's pretty hard to scrounge tribute fodder for it anyway...

Frostweaver February 24th, 2008 1:57 PM

Call of the Haunted gone while Monster Reborn being back is the surprising move. If they want recursion to be fair, why not 2 premature burial instead of 1 premature with 1 monster reborn? o_O; I'm am *guessing* that this is an attempt to discourage people from careless monster dump. Whatever you dump now may be whatever you face next round. I'm guessing that's the point of it.

I think Ojama Trio is a japanese thing, not something we'll understand.

Gadgets back to 3 with creature swap 3 just stated how I was pretty darn good at prediction of last format how gadgets remain as the most consistent deck regardless of zombies and LaDD early last banlist. Although gadgets only won top 8 near the end, it was definitely joy for me XD;

I welcome plenty of these changes except for the weird Monster Reborn one, but I won't condemn it yet as I did state my potential reason for it.

Unlimited NiGHTS February 24th, 2008 7:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Frostweaver (Post 3367678)
I think Ojama Trio is a japanese thing, not something we'll understand.

Actually, I think it has something to do with "All-Out Attacks", a Continuous Trap from Phantom Darkness that forces all Special Summoned monsters to be Summoned in Attack Position, and must attack on the turn they were Special Summoned if possible.

As for "Call of the Haunted", revival on your opponent's turn as opposed to revival on your turn is probably why they banned that and brought "Monster Reborn" back.

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Originally Posted by Frostweaver (Post 3367649)
I did read the new format. Heavy Storm isn't the only card that destroys backrow. At the start of each format before new deck surfaces, we *always* rely on traditional monarch (especially now that we got 3 apprentice again, we will probably see it as the first Top 8 somewhere) so bring on the Mobius? Blah Dark Armed Dragon still at 3 =(

I predict high amount of back row target cards actually, such as Raiza and Mobius+Zaborg forming the new lineup in monarchs. Reason for this is because we are so graveyard dependent, we will use whatever means we got to nuke RFG Gadgets/Monarch (especially since RFG Gadget just won a top 8, and for this banlist, Gadget got the most obvious boost in power out of all existing decktypes with 1 more creature swap to trade your puny 1200 atk for your much stronger junk)

Dust Tornado still lingers. It was powerful enough for zombies to main it with 3 of them. It is not to be underestimated (though I'll never use 3. I'll go with 2 only.)

Um, that's why we have Side Decks. Anyone running a "Gravekeeper's" Deck that's smart will have 3 each of "Solemn Judgment", "Dark Bribe", and "Pulling the Rug". There's also "Field Barrier", which ACC-M mentioned in the "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" Deck's thread (but this discussion doesn't go there), which has worked for me in the past. Heck, we can even use "Dark Magician of Chaos" to get back "Necrovalley" if all else fails, and it's very easy to Summon in a "Gravekeeper's" Deck. "Gravekeeper's" monsters swarm really well, and they can use "Magical Dimension" easily.

Having played with "Gravekeeper's" Decks since PGD first came out, there's nothing out there that can surprise me. I'm a master of that archetype.

Akio123 February 24th, 2008 10:34 PM

I suppose I can live without Breaker, Magician of Faith is understandable, but seriously letting people have more then 1 set of gadgets seems a bit unfair. Raiza I'm happy about.

Syousuke February 24th, 2008 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frostweaver (Post 3367678)
I welcome plenty of these changes except for the weird Monster Reborn one

Pretty much sums it up for me.

Eon-Rider February 25th, 2008 4:55 AM

Oh god... This is my dream format. I only own 2 Cyber Dragon and 1 Raiza and I never bothered using them because I never had 3 copies of all of them. I can finally use them! Wooo. XD

Creature Swap back to three is nice too.

Monster Reborn is a nice surprise though.

Scarlet Weather February 25th, 2008 5:44 AM

I think the reasoning behind Monster Reborn is a combination of what NiGHTS and Frosty suggested. First off, Call of the Haunted was slightly slower because it's a trap card and theoretically it should be weaker then the big reborn. However, what's the monster most often brought back with call of the haunted? Jinzo. What does Jinzo do? Negate the destruction clause of Call of the Haunted. Badda-bring, badda-boom. Aside from that, there is also the "be careful... now your opponent can go rifling through your graveyard!" factor.

I smile and laugh as Raiza as cut down to one. The number of possible Spin cards in my opponent's deck just went from six to four. *smirketh*

Skaterzpenguin February 25th, 2008 9:40 AM

I started to play Yu-gi-oh again and what is this ban list for exactly? is it cards that you can't use in tournaments or in games???

Unlimited NiGHTS February 25th, 2008 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by skaterzpenguin (Post 3369984)
I started to play Yu-gi-oh again and what is this ban list for exactly? is it cards that you can't use in tournaments or in games???

It's for real life, but it doesn't take effect until the 1st of March this year.

Frostweaver February 25th, 2008 12:32 PM

I still am wondering how Dark Armed Dragon didn't get to be restricted... I mean, we restrict LaDD, but doesn't restrict the card that put LaDD out of business in Japan?

Unlimited NiGHTS February 25th, 2008 12:38 PM

I think it's something to do with "Dark Armed Dragon" requiring exactly 3 DARK monsters in your Graveyard to be Summoned.

Frostweaver February 25th, 2008 6:44 PM

When did that ever get to be difficult >_>

Unlimited NiGHTS February 25th, 2008 7:04 PM

It's the fact that we have "D.D. Crow", "Disappear", "Misrevive", "Soul Release", "Macro Cosmos", "Dimensional Fissure", "Dark Magician of Chaos", and even "Fiend Comedian", I think. Let's say you have exactly 3 DARK monsters in your Graveyard during your Standby Phase, and I activate "Disappear". Now you have two, and one's removed from play. "Dark Armed Dragon" is now a dead card in your hand.

Col~ February 25th, 2008 9:47 PM

thats so not fair. I had a cyber jar in my deck.

Unlimited NiGHTS February 25th, 2008 9:50 PM

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Originally Posted by col_hacker (Post 3371814)
thats so not fair. I had a cyber jar in my deck.

"Cyber Jar" has been Forbidden for a long time now.

Col~ February 25th, 2008 9:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Unlimited NiGHTS (Post 3371818)
"Cyber Jar" has been Forbidden for a long time now.

yeah but i never bothered chicking the list until now. so you can see why im mad.

Frostweaver February 25th, 2008 11:14 PM

I think Cyber Jar is kind of gone for a few years now actually o_O;

Akio123 February 26th, 2008 4:54 PM

Cyber Jar was banned for good reason. It's like if they never banned CED.

Col~ February 26th, 2008 5:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Akio123 (Post 3373903)
Cyber Jar was banned for good reason. It's like if they never banned CED.

what was the reason and what is ced?

lonewolfx44 February 26th, 2008 5:32 PM

^^ nothing affecting my Counter-Fairy / Removal / Control deck. Well, except Jinzo being 3 but I don't care about Jinzo XD.

I run 2 Macro Cosmos , 3 Banishers of the Radiance, and 2 Banishers of light in my main Deck XD

Oh right, the Agent of Creation is a kick ass card! Usually at least one Shine Ball gets to live as a "free" tribute or something. XD Works really well with Voltanis too. And I think it could work well with D.D. cards, but the only ones I use are D.D. survivors x 2 . The rest of my monsters are Fairies.

Syousuke February 26th, 2008 9:00 PM

CED = Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End.

I'd imagine Cyber Jar was banned because its effect is just horribly lame (though I'm pretty sure someone else can explain it better). Just use Morphing Jar 2, it has the underwhelming version of Cyber Jar's effect.

Akio123 February 26th, 2008 9:22 PM

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Originally Posted by col_hacker (Post 3373991)
what was the reason and what is ced?

1. Cyber Jar is beyond Broken. It's Dark Hole (which is banned) and then replaces all the monsters. Control-deck abuse nuff said.

2. CED is Chaos Emperor Dragon

Unlimited NiGHTS February 26th, 2008 9:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Akio123 (Post 3374610)
1. Cyber Jar is beyond Broken. It's Dark Hole (which is banned) and then replaces all the monsters. Control-deck abuse nuff said.

2. CED is Chaos Emperor Dragon

Actually, CED can be "Cyber End Dragon", "Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End", "Chthonian Emperor Dragon", or "Compulsory Evacuation Device".

Forci Stikane February 27th, 2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Unlimited NiGHTS (Post 3374630)
Actually, CED can be "Cyber End Dragon", "Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End", "Chthonian Emperor Dragon", or "Compulsory Evacuation Device".

Technically, yes, but the tradition is that it refers to the Envoy.

Anyway......Breaker & MoF banned again, eh? Not that surprising...but I am surprised that we didn't see the semi-traditional switch-over of Ring of Destruction.

However, that isn't the biggest surprise: Why is Jinzo at three now? Just kidding. Of course, the biggest surprise here is Monster Reborn. This has been banned pretty much for as long as we've had a banlist, and now it comes out? I mean, in the days of Perfect Circle I could understand it, as a counter to the Disc Commander abuse...but now? And they take out Call of the Haunted for it? So...we get less abusability on the opponent's turn in return for potentially double the targets, especially with the keep of Mirror Force. Honestly, what does it matter if you're CotH-ing Jinzo or MRing it, since it'll be staying either way? The only difference is that a chained Tornado/MST won't stop it anymore...

I'm also slightly stunned that they're actually going after Cyber Dragon (finally), and yes, Jinzo going to 3 is a stun as well.


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