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Dark Azelf March 19th, 2008 1:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3413727)
Maybe I should give Swampy Stone Edge?

Ah, so I can't lose Gya for Swamp. Maybe I can give Zap Cannon to Forry. This is difficult. I mean, Raichu can handle Gya, but I lose Raichu in the process. Man, this is hard.

I know, countering stuff this gen and in this metagame is really hard, im often made angry because i miss certain threat, and then when i remember them im like disfndnfdjngfdg XD


Starmie w/Recover/ice Beam/Thunderbolt/Surf
Sceptile / Raichu < CB Raichu ??
Vileplume
Gyarados.
Forry
Grumpig

How bout that ? It covers weaknesses Very well.

sims796 March 19th, 2008 2:34 PM

Damn damn damn damn.

I don't wanna choose between Sceptile & CB Raichu. They both are so great.

Well, if you could breed Staryu Mudkip, it'll be easier to decide.

Ah, if you could name Staryu "Twinkle", Mudkip "Marsh", & Vulpix "Foxy", that'll be nice.

This is difficult because I'm not trying to just make a team, I'm trying to make a team that I can say "This is my signature team. When you think sims796, you'll think this team.". Know what I mean? This is tough, because I don't wanna simply settle on anything.

I might borrow my friend's Emerald just to get t-Punch on Sceptile.

Dark Azelf March 19th, 2008 2:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3413973)
Damn damn damn damn.

I don't wanna choose between Sceptile & CB Raichu. They both are so great.

Well, if you could breed Staryu Mudkip, it'll be easier to decide.

Ah, if you could name Staryu "Twinkle", Mudkip "Marsh", & Vulpix "Foxy", that'll be nice.

This is difficult because I'm not trying to just make a team, I'm trying to make a team that I can say "This is my signature team. When you think sims796, you'll think this team.". Know what I mean? This is tough, because I don't wanna simply settle on anything.

I might borrow my friend's Emerald just to get t-Punch on Sceptile.

Yeah, i know what you mean, Its kinda hard to use favorites and cover up weaknesses....

Ill nickname the pokes for ya though....

sims796 March 19th, 2008 5:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3384463)

Originally Posted by sims796
[email protected] Orb***Geico(Switch your Car Insurance, RIGHT NAOW!)
Nature:Jolly
EV:252 ATK, 252 SPD, 6 SP.DEF/HP/Who Cares?
Leaf Blade
Thunderpunch
Dragon Claw
Swords Dance
Physical Sweeper. Well, I needed a hard hitter, so I thought Lucario. But I wanted a grass type, so I thought Breelom. But I wanted speed, so...Sceptile! Physical, that is. Hits just about all but Skar, Zong, Tangrowth, but those are dealt with by others. With T-Punch, I can now cause much havok to Gya who will otherwise cause me much greif. If it gets in one Dragon Dance, I


[email protected]***Dragoon
Nature:Adamant
Waterfall/Ice Fang
Stone Edge/EQ
Dragon Dance
Taunt
EV:212 HP/16 ATK/180 DEF/100 SPD
Bulky Sweeper. Standard Tauntdos. Painful when played right, although I may give him a wii bit more ATK. Might try out Icequake.


[email protected] Sash***Sparks
Nature:Timid/Hasty
T-bolt
Grass Knot
Focus Blast/Focus Punch
Nasty Plot
EV:MAX SP.ATK/MAX SPD/6 SP.DEF
Special Sweeper. He abuses Focus Sash for powerful moves. Wish he had a bit more speed, but meh. I really hate Focus Blast, missing every two moves or so, but I have no choice. Currently breeding a Hasty Chu, that has Focus Punch. For surprise lissey hits. With proper prediction, I can 2HKO Bliss.


[email protected]***Comet
Nature:Relaxed
Rest
EQ
Rapid Spin
Stealth Rock
EV:MAX HP/88 ATK/164 DEF
Physical Wall. Also my Spinner, & Trap setter. Because he is my prime wall, Explosion is not an option. Stealth Rock over Spikes for I dislike Sashers more. This is a matter of opinion, so.


[email protected]***Lumas
Nature:Calm
Psychic
Calm Mind
Rest
Magic Coat/Shadow Ball
EV:MAX HP/52 SP.ATK/200 SP.DEF
Special Wall. With Rest, & Aromatherapy, it makes it a hell of alot easier for him to wall. If I give him Shadow Ball, can he handle Cressy? Magic Coat is just fun to play. It always is. I got rid of that God awful inaccurate non-chargin Chage Beam.


[email protected] Sludge***Petals
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
Hidden Power [ICE]
Aromatherapy
Sleep Powder
EV:244 HP/90 SP.ATK/140 SP.DEF/30 DEF
Cleric. My team favorite! He is also a limited mixed wall. I discovered this when I accidentally gave him DEF EV's while training him in SP.DEF. His typing allows him much survivability. Although he has many weaknesses, not all are seen that often. You can kiss my arse, he's in!


Any glaring weaknesses, that CAN'T be revenge KOed?

Well, I've fixed up my weaknesses. Or at least most. Gya is not as scary of a threat anymore with T-Punch. Dragon Dance T-tar can cause some issues, so Sceptile must be kept alive. Chomp can't handle too many Dragon Claws from Scep either. Getting in at least one Swords Dance won't be too hard at all.

Ársa March 19th, 2008 6:06 PM

I'm going to say that ScarfTran with HP ELECTRIC can cause you some issues. Everytime it comes in, it is able to KO something at the least. (Other than Grumpig, but I don't know what it can do in return...)

~T_S

sims796 March 19th, 2008 7:13 PM

Grumpig stops Heatran cold. Dead cold. With a resistance to fire, it can proceed to Calm Mind up, and figt back with Psycic. not very effective, but painful with CM.

On top of that, Scarf makes it easier to take out.

Ársa March 19th, 2008 7:17 PM

Some actually run Dark Pulse. Another note is that once it has done what it likes, say hi to explosion. Just a thought though. I cannot really see much else. x_X

~T_S

sims796 March 19th, 2008 7:20 PM

Meh, nothing too serious, if it must resort to Explosion. It is the only way to really hurt me. I'll just have to finish him fast, before he does too much damage.

Ársa March 19th, 2008 7:24 PM

To true. Other than that, I cannot really see anything.

The current battle I am in is making me realize how scary good Jirachi is.... (4-1, and now 2-1. Jirachi is paralyzed and tearing through him. ;))

~T_S

sims796 March 19th, 2008 7:30 PM

I frackin hate hax. Thats why I have Magic Coat.

Samson March 19th, 2008 11:20 PM

ah so you stuck with magic coat. that oughta be fun ^.^ it's just a toughie because grumpig is ideal with reflect + twave. but no! i won't bother you with such thoughts.

anywho, it looks ok. let's hope sceptile doesn't immediately die =(

sims796 March 20th, 2008 2:31 AM

Thank you, thank you!

Yeah, I know T-Wave is most effective, but Magic Coat is so damn fun. It's a shame it's wifi, I'd love to see te look on their faces when their Toxic/T-Wave/Hyponosis/Metal Sound is relflected.

I'm thinking or a Sceptile Starter.

Nightofshadow March 21st, 2008 2:08 AM

Yay a team that isnt covered in OU! I love Sims's teams! *Reserves space to give advice later on*

sims796 March 21st, 2008 2:18 AM

Meh, I play with what interests me. If every poke I like was OU, I'd use nothing but OU. If every poke I like was BL/UU, tose will be on my team. I draw the line at uber, but I'm not going to use something because it's popular, and I'm not going to NOT use it because it's popular.

I liked Blissey before I got into the metagame.

Anti March 21st, 2008 10:00 AM

About Heatran, the ones that carry Dark Pulse are a joke, and only about 1% of them actually do. Grumpig can just stall it out of PP for any Fire move if it is foolish enough to stay. Even MS Heatran is eaten up. Also if Heatran blows up to kill itself you did counter it :P

The team is looking pretty good, I'm blowing out my hearing right now with the end of Behind Blue Eyes with the volume at full blast, I'll get back to this later lol

sims796 March 28th, 2008 8:42 AM

Sorry to bump this back up, but I need to know this. T-tar has been causing me much grief. Specifically the ones that carry Stone Edge & Fire Blast (which are less than I thougt). I need to know, since Forry won't be able to counter it, would Gya be able to counter it? I understand if Gya comes in on Fire Blast, then yeah, but he can't safely switch in on Stone Edge & hope to counter. Swampert would be a surefire counter, but there is no one that I want to replace.

The ones I wouldn't mind replacing are Forretress & Gya. Gya is my answer to Hera, so maybe Forretress? Can I? Obviously, Vileplume would be the best one to lose, but you can go to hell. He stays. Do I open up any major weaknesses by replacing Forry for Swampert? Other than a loss of a spinner, of course. Or maybe Donphan would work better? With this set:

[email protected]/Choice Scarf/Choice Specs(CS is teh best)
Nature:Impish/Adamant/Modest(IMO, the best nature)
EV:252 HP, ???
Rapid Spin
EQ
Ice Shard
Stealth Rock/Roar/Rest

I think he is just what I need.

In reality, it's those Life Orb'ed Mixed sets that causes me the most grief. Dark Azelf showed me that if it gets a speed boost, I can't do anything but try to play it with Forry & Gya. I'd like Roar, but Rest seems more practical. If I can catch it on the Baton Pass, I can counter right-especially with Roar.

Dark Azelf March 28th, 2008 9:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3442300)
Sorry to bump this back up, but I need to know this. T-tar has been causing me much grief. Specifically the ones that carry Stone Edge & Fire Blast (which are less than I thougt). I need to know, since Forry won't be able to counter it, would Gya be able to counter it? I understand if Gya comes in on Fire Blast, then yeah, but he can't safely switch in on Stone Edge & hope to counter. Swampert would be a surefire counter, but there is no one that I want to replace.

The ones I wouldn't mind replacing are Forretress & Gya. Gya is my answer to Hera, so maybe Forretress? Can I? Obviously, Vileplume would be the best one to lose, but you can go to hell. He stays. Do I open up any major weaknesses by replacing Forry for Swampert? Other than a loss of a spinner, of course. Or maybe Donphan would work better? With this set:

[email protected]/Choice Scarf/Choice Specs(CS is teh best)
Nature:Impish/Adamant/Modest(IMO, the best nature)
EV:252 HP, ???
Rapid Spin
EQ
Ice Shard
Stealth Rock/Roar/Rest

I think he is just what I need.

In reality, it's those Life Orb'ed Mixed sets that causes me the most grief. Dark Azelf showed me that if it gets a speed boost, I can't do anything but try to play it with Forry & Gya. I'd like Roar, but Rest seems more practical. If I can catch it on the Baton Pass, I can counter right-especially with Roar.



T-tars Ice Beam kind dominates donphan =X.

Even more so, the poke i use to pass speed with actually has HP ice or Grass << I forgot, heck i dont even know, i replaced it with Sub though, so ill let you off XP

I dunno, bulky waters seem to work the best, that swampert that i traded you seems ideal NOT Gyarados though lol, sometimes they pack stone edge.

The t-tar covers Flying, Ground, Steel, Psychic, Ghost, Bug, Grass, Dragon, Fire and Ice. plus Electric and Rock if you use Earthquake.

Something not weak to those. I have the perfect poke for you, i didnt want to give it you, due to you using it on me >=[, but this dude was commonly used in advance to counter Tyraniboah, so it counters my Life Orb t-tar aswell.


Anyways, This is my own Anti Spin-Block Hitmontop

[email protected]
252 HP / 100 ATT / 100 DEF / 56 SP.DEF
Impish nature
Trait : Technician
- Pursuit
- Toxic
- Close Combat
- Rapid Spin

Feel free to use intimidate, but i love hitting Gengar with a Technician Pursuit, besides, it has great coverage with Close Combat. Toxic wears down bulky waters and Dusknoir and Spiritomb =).Very cool t-tar counter also, due to its bulk.

Spoiler:

[email protected] Orb
216 Atk / 96 Sp.A / 196 Speed
Naughty nature
~ Crunch
~ Earthquake / Stone Edge
~ Fire Blast
~ Ice Beam

Lawlz XD


sims796 March 28th, 2008 9:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3442390)
T-tars Ice Beam kind dominates donphan =X.

Even more so, the poke i use to pass speed with actually has HP ice or Grass << I forgot, heck i dont even know, i replaced it with Sub though, so ill let you off XP

I dunno, bulky waters seem to work the best, that swampert that i traded you seems ideal NOT Gyarados though lol, sometimes they pack stone edge.

The t-tar covers Flying, Ground, Steel, Psychic, Ghost, Bug, Grass, Dragon, Fire and Ice. plus Electric and Rock if you use Earthquake.

Something not weak to those. I have the perfect poke for you, i didnt want to give it you, due to you using it on me >=[, but this dude was commonly used in advance to counter Tyraniboah, so it counters my Life Orb t-tar aswell.


Anyways, This is my own Anti Spin-Block Hitmontop

[email protected]
252 HP / 100 ATT / 100 DEF / 56 SP.DEF
Impish nature
Trait : Technician
- Pursuit
- Toxic
- Close Combat
- Rapid Spin

Feel free to use intimidate, but i love hitting Gengar with a Technician Pursuit, besides, it has great coverage with Close Combat. Toxic wears down bulky waters and Dusknoir and Spiritomb =).Very cool t-tar counter also, due to its bulk.

Spoiler:

[email protected] Orb
216 Atk / 96 Sp.A / 196 Speed
Naughty nature
~ Crunch
~ Earthquake / Stone Edge
~ Fire Blast
~ Ice Beam

But wouldn't I need a new wall? That's why I thought Swampert wouldn't be such a huge loss. I would love to use Hitmontop, but remember, Forry goes for it to stay in. So would I lose a huge deal if I use it over Hitmontop?

Dark Azelf March 28th, 2008 9:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3442416)
But wouldn't I need a new wall? That's why I thought Swampert wouldn't be such a huge loss. I would love to use Hitmontop, but remember, Forry goes for it to stay in. So would I lose a huge deal if I use it over Hitmontop?

Well Donphan kinda sucks as a spinner imo, as soon as they send out a Ghost your screwed, spinners must be able to cope with spin blockers, Starmie can, Tenta can, Forry can somewhat, but its screwed against sturdy ghosts and Rotom. Donphan cant do anything, again why i love Toxic on both the dudes.


Try Gliscor as a wall, covers hera.


Gliscor
Hitmontop

Grumpig
VilePlume
Sceptile
Raichu


ftw !!! That actually covers weaknesses well. Hitmons got weavile, so you dont need to worry.

sims796 March 28th, 2008 9:37 AM

I really didn't wanna replace both...

Isn't there anything else that can deal with Hera while walling? Or am I doomed to use Gliscor? I mean, I don't mind, but, any other options?

Dark Azelf March 28th, 2008 9:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3442454)
I really didn't wanna replace both...

Isn't there anything else that can deal with Hera while walling? Or am I doomed to use Gliscor? I mean, I don't mind, but, any other options?




Tbh, Gyarados is fine and dandy Hera counter, i dunno if youve ever faced a Choice band one, yeah, it dominates DOs. Ask King Dragun, last time i battled him my CB Heracross's megahorn 2hko'd his Salamence, even though its resisted. It really starts to wear down on gyara with repeated switch ins, especially if it predicts and uses stone edge.

Gliscor and Weezing, Aerial Ace nidoqueen, Fire Punch Dusknoir are probably the best counters around.

Anti March 28th, 2008 9:47 AM

Heracross is walled by most poison types (the ones that don't roll over to Stone Edge that is). Muk is actually quite viable though CB Stone Edge hurts really, really bad. Nidoqueen and even Nidoking work fine, resisting its STAB moves. Weezing of course is awesome for it, and Dusknoir works as well (it doesn't mind Pursuit if you don't switch)...so yeah.

Also Donphan is one of the best at killing Spin Blockers IMO. It is one of the only spinners Dusknoir really takes a beating from and spirirtomb does not like STAB Earthquakes coming from 300 attack at all. Gengar is trouble, but that's the easiest thing to beat with a bit of prediction. Forretress rolls over to all ghosts that stand in its path. Starmie is gone the minute Weavile shows up and isn't quite as bulky as other spinners.

EDIT: Beat to it. Gyarados rolls over to Stone Edge though, and I mean an easy 2HKO.

sims796 March 28th, 2008 9:58 AM

I forgot about Dusknoir. How is he as a wall? And, if I DO use Hitmontop, I miss a wall. So it isn't as much as needing a Hera counter as much as needing a true-blue wall.

Unless I keep Donphan (or Forry, whatever), and get Hitmontop, Dusknoir, Wigglytuff, or whatever beats MixedTar over Gya. Remeber, I now gotta get a T-tar counter, as well as a Hera counter. Is there any poke that can do that? Or is it only Gliscor/Weezing (who is the last on my thoughts, since I keep coughing up the nasty remainders of this cold.

Anti March 28th, 2008 10:01 AM

Dusknoir is an awesome wall, I use it all the time. Fun fighting immunity and resistance to Megahorn make Heracross go "lol wut"

One problem is its weakness to Pursuit which Grumpig already has, so it's quite risky (though you absolutely laugh at Weavile).

Dark Azelf March 28th, 2008 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3442507)
I forgot about Dusknoir. How is he as a wall? And, if I DO use Hitmontop, I miss a wall. So it isn't as much as needing a Hera counter as much as needing a true-blue wall.

Unless I keep Donphan (or Forry, whatever), and get Hitmontop, Dusknoir, Wigglytuff, or whatever beats MixedTar over Gya. Remeber, I now gotta get a T-tar counter, as well as a Hera counter. Is there any poke that can do that? Or is it only Gliscor/Weezing (who is the last on my thoughts, since I keep coughing up the nasty remainders of this cold.

Quote:

<Insert Duknoir/Gliscor/Weezing here>
Hitmontop

Grumpig
VilePlume
Sceptile
Raichu
See, your not lacking a wall. Duknoir/Gliscor/Weezing all beat hera


Hitmontop takes ALL versions of T-Tar =)


Slots together nicely IMO.


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