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Jimmyray March 1st, 2008 1:56 PM

New Team
 
So I'm making a new team and I want to get your thoughts before I start training them all up. Please note it's mainly for PBR wifi, with the odd DS battle when I can get the wifi to work.
Team at first Glance
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[email protected] Sash
Adamant Nature (+Atk -Sp.Atk)
Super Luck
EVs: 252 Atk 252 Speed 4 HP
Swords Dance
Sucker Punch
X Scissor
Psycho Cut

Great lead. Designed to get at least one SD in before Sweeping everything with a STAB Sucker Punch and often getting critcical hits due to Super Luck and 2 great backup moves to either dent or OHKO the opponent. I often 6-0 teams with this alone, but at first sight of Hippowdon or TTar, I'll switch to Vaporeon or Gliscor.


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Modest Nature (+Sp.Atk -Atk)
Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Sp.Atk 252 HP 4 Spe
Substitute
Wish/Yawn/Rain Dance
Surf
Ice Beam/Baton Pass

A bulky and reliable Sp.Attacker. No need of the bold nature due to Gliscor and Weezing, and this team isn't exactly designed for WishPassing. I'm unsure about the 2nd slot there because I know Rain Dance will really help STAB of Surf and Waterfall on Kabutops, but Yawn and Wish are both great moves for Vaporeon as well. Also may have the EVs slightly wrong.

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Adamant Nature (+Atk -Sp.Atk)
Swift Swim (if Rain Dance on Vaporeon)/Battle Armour
EVs: 252 Atk 252 Spe 4 Def
Waterfall
Brick Break
Stone Edge
Rapid Spin

My Physical sweeper in a different way to my lead Absol, and also my Rapid Spinner. A lot of my decisions for this guy depends on my Vaporeons 2nd move such as the 252 EVs in Speed or Defense and whether or not to use Swift Swim. Also my main Bliss counter.


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Relaxed nature (+Def -Spd)
Levitate
Evs: 252 Def ? HP ? Sp.Atk ? Sp.Def
Thunder
Will-O-Wisp
Explosion/Pain Split
Shadow Ball/Fire Blast

Physical Wall and WoWer. It will not at all benefit from Fire Blast with Rain Dance on the team, so Shadow Ball to counter Psychic threats. Don't know whether to go Explosion or Pain Split.

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[email protected] Bell?
Calm Nature (+Sp.Def -Atk)
Synchronize
EVs: 252 Sp.Def 252 Sp.Atk 4 HP
Hypnosis
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Shadow ball

A sort of Special Sweeper who also acts as a special wall. Also puts things to sleep while it is able to take a few hits. Need help on the item.

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Impish Nature (+Def -Sp.Atk)
Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 Def ? Atk ? HP ? Sp.Def
Stealth Rock
Knock Off
Earthquake
Roost

Stealth Rock set up and very good to get in a few Knock Off's if possible. I only put Quick Attack because it's my only first priority move on my whole team. Help with the EVs as well.

Feel Free to rate, improve and constructively criticise =p

Blargtastic808 March 1st, 2008 10:50 PM

Gliscor' EVs should be something like 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

Don't have much experience with the rest but Gardevoir seems a little shaky. Could probably be replaced by a better Sp Wall. Not sure what though.

Sorry, not much help : \

Anti March 1st, 2008 11:04 PM

The stupid font size makes bolding stuff impossible :/

Any weather screws up that honestly pretty meh Absol set. It doesn't help that steels resist every move it has. If it really 6-0s stuff regularly you haven't been facing many good people, no offense.

Use Surf/BP/Wish/Sub Vappy. Sorry but Vaporeon WILL fail without Defense EVs. In fact, it pretty much needs a bold nature and max def.

Also if Kabutops is your only Blissey counter you're dead. Life Orb recoil with devastate it and Dugtrio will trap and kill it. Needs SD over Rapid spin or a set that can support its rapid spinning duties better. You kind of mixed two sets and the result isn't so hot.

For Weezing you might as well run explosion since you have about 8 physical walls.

Um Gardy can't really wall special attackers without HP EVs or a way to heal :/

Um what is gliscor doing without roost? >.>

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Honestly a weak team. Weezing and gliscor do the same thing, which is a physical ground immunity and fighting resistance. Having both is really redundant so take out one or the other, I'd probably take out Weezing.

Almost all special attackers will massacre Gardy and sweep your entire team. Gengar and Zam run you over and SpecsLuke batters it as well. It doesn't help that the ONLY thing that can take special hits even remotely well on your team is killed by pursuit really quickly, and then you are done.

Weavile is a really big problem for you and will smash everything you've got. Weezing can kind of take it but STAB CB Ice Punches will do A LOT.

Basically any sweeper that isn't bothered by your fighting resisting walls as far as physical sweepers are concerned will mow you down. Gallade can take out Gliscor AND Weezing pretty easily.

Basically all special attackers beat your team, besides the few Gardy can actually wall.

Take out weezing or Glsicor and put in a real special wall, like Snorlax, Articuno, or the ever-popular Blissey.

Jimmyray March 2nd, 2008 3:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3387068)
The stupid font size makes bolding stuff impossible :/

Any weather screws up that honestly pretty meh Absol set. It doesn't help that steels resist every move it has. If it really 6-0s stuff regularly you haven't been facing many good people, no offense.

Use Surf/BP/Wish/Sub Vappy. Sorry but Vaporeon WILL fail without Defense EVs. In fact, it pretty much needs a bold nature and max def.

Also if Kabutops is your only Blissey counter you're dead. Life Orb recoil with devastate it and Dugtrio will trap and kill it. Needs SD over Rapid spin or a set that can support its rapid spinning duties better. You kind of mixed two sets and the result isn't so hot.

For Weezing you might as well run explosion since you have about 8 physical walls.

Um Gardy can't really wall special attackers without HP EVs or a way to heal :/

Um what is gliscor doing without roost? >.>

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Honestly a weak team. Weezing and gliscor do the same thing, which is a physical ground immunity and fighting resistance. Having both is really redundant so take out one or the other, I'd probably take out Weezing.

Almost all special attackers will massacre Gardy and sweep your entire team. Gengar and Zam run you over and SpecsLuke batters it as well. It doesn't help that the ONLY thing that can take special hits even remotely well on your team is killed by pursuit really quickly, and then you are done.

Weavile is a really big problem for you and will smash everything you've got. Weezing can kind of take it but STAB CB Ice Punches will do A LOT.

Basically any sweeper that isn't bothered by your fighting resisting walls as far as physical sweepers are concerned will mow you down. Gallade can take out Gliscor AND Weezing pretty easily.

Basically all special attackers beat your team, besides the few Gardy can actually wall.

Take out weezing or Glsicor and put in a real special wall, like Snorlax, Articuno, or the ever-popular Blissey.

Thanks. Remember I said it's mainly for PBR wi-fi battles though, so if it looks like a weather team, I won't use the RD strategy. Sorry about the font I always seem to forget about the bold editing stuff. I think I'll replace Gliscor for something like Umbreon, because I haven't got the Roost or Stealth Rock TM anyways ¬_¬

PokeFlora March 2nd, 2008 3:46 AM

Congrats 7/10 you used UU/BL poke's in your strat which earns you some repect from me. The team is solid but i see few flaws.
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Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 3384751)


[email protected] Sash
Adamant Nature (+Atk -Sp.Atk)
Super Luck
EVs: 252 Atk 252 Speed 4 HP
Swords Dance
Sucker Punch
X Scissor/night slash
Psycho Cut

Thx to Smogon and the introduction of Boah T-tar can sweep your team cuz it weilds ice beam on 4x week gliscor. Even a starter with pursuit forcing you to switch could cause fatal damage. This classic moveset but absol avrage speed amkes him a faila nd soo fragile he works well with a scar. Bulky gyara will eat you for breafest though. Lucario pwns you as well. nape does a well bit of damage with u-turn as well which is always does on absol. you can take out common starters like gengar and crobat but they will usually trough a sub out or just hypnosis you and set up. Night slash can't be forgotten with such a prioty to crit it is a muct on absol. Sure you lose type coverage but with crit+stab and Sword dance under your belt not a lot cant get in your way.


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Modest Nature (+Sp.Atk -Atk)
Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Sp.Atk 252 HP 4 Spe
rain dance
Wish
Surf
Ice Beam

He moved up to OU because of the great job it does walling calm-cune. For this team you actually need wish support. Without roost on gliscor all your pokes have no way to recover. No sleep talkers or anything. I'd go with. the bolded moveset no need to BP unless you got CM sweeper and to give it acid armer upgrade. Wish then rain dance then switch to kuboto so incoming damage gets wished off and you can sweep.



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Adamant Nature (+Atk -Sp.Atk)
Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk 252 Spe 4 Def
Waterfall
Brick Break
Stone Edge
Rapid Spin(way to fragile for a spinner)/X-Scissor

Too fragile for a spinner. With Vap passing on a wish and using damp rock you got at least 7 turns to sweep hard with full hp. With X-scizor you can k.o a lot of pokemon. Coverage is what this set is about. Covers 11/17 type if i didn't count wrong. Its the UU vire basically.



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Relaxed nature (+Def -Spd)
Levitate
Evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spc.def
Haze
FireBlast(for the pokes who resist poison)
Pain Split
Sludge bomb

without a phazer or taunter your just asking to get set up on. Least this set will let you live longer and any pokemon who switches in on you like zong do take the free switch will have to think twice.


[email protected] Bell?
Calm Nature (+Sp.Def -Atk)
Synchronize( i like trace better, cause your trying to dual status anyways)
EVs: 252 HP / 48 SpA / 176 SpD / 32 Spe
Hypnosis
Thunderbolt/Focus blast(2-3 K.o blinsey)
Psychic
WoW/thunder-wave

Gardivor is a spc.wall and works best as a duel Status effector. This way you dont have to give Weezing WoW. And gardivoir can pull off her role quite easily in fact.Personally i like thunder wave better because its not like your team is soo fast or any of our pokemon are even scarfed.


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Impish Nature (+Def -Sp.Atk)
Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Stealth Rock
Knock Off
Earthquake
Ice fang/roost

SR is a must,Knock off good support move but gliscor can take a beating so Rock poolish works ideal with him. He's a verry good BP you should consider it.EQ for stab and coverage and ice fang is a must. You wall garchomp might as well be able to one hit k.o it right.


Threat list:
(Yawn tired,ill write one up tom. for you.)

Jimmyray March 2nd, 2008 5:50 AM

Hmm thanks, but I'm pretty sure that Weezing will be useless with Fire Blast in rain and without WoW. Half of the point of WoW on Weezing is to halve the amount of physical damage they inflict on you, and with Weezing's defense, it's on awesome physical wall in that sense. I may as well go Thunder over Thunderbolt, again due to the rain. I see your point about Wish, and seeing as Vaporeon and Kabutops share the same weakness, it may be difficult to switch into something without taking serious damage, and if it's scarfed, then Bye-bye Kabutops so I have to be good at predicting.

PokeFlora March 2nd, 2008 11:37 AM

Ohh the conflict between fire/water works well actually. I assumed weezing to be your last game wall. Gliscor should be your primary wall just becaus eit knows knock off. Then gardivour should double status as much as it can. Then weezing would step in a finish off the leftovers.

Jimmyray March 2nd, 2008 11:50 AM

It can't really work like that. If weavile comes in, it's capable of killing Gliscor in 2 hits with Ice Punch or even Ice Shard. I don't really want to have an 'order'. But thanks anyways.

Arcknight316 March 2nd, 2008 11:56 AM

W/ all these Fighting Resists, ReSTalkLax would do good over Gardy.


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