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Making a close to perfect team.
Allright, just please ignore the heading lol. Arrogant sorry :\
This is the 2nd Eddition Fix. Posidon (Kingdra) (M) @ Life Orb Ability: Swift Swim EVs: 124 HP/132 Spd/252 SAtk Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk) - Ice Beam - Rain Dance - Hidden Power [Electric] - Surf Special Sweeper. Best Rain Lead. Speed EV's are there for a reason, to outspeed annoying Hera Leads and most importantly BRELOOM. --- Air-Walker (Bronzong) @ Damp Rock Ability: Levitate EVs: 252 HP/60 Def/196 SDef Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd) - Gyro Ball - Hypnosis - Rain Dance - Earthquake Acting as a very efficient second Rain Dance setter and a fabulous mixed wall. --- Steel-Traper (Magnezone) @ Leftovers Ability: Magnet Pull EVs: 60 HP/196 Spd/252 SAtk Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Thunderbolt - Hidden Power [Fire] - Flash Cannon - Magnet Rise This is a new addition to the team, what this does it gets rid of bad Steels that give me a hard time and that I don't want to waste Swamperts HP Electric on :p This mainly was built to deal with Metagross sets and even enemy Bronzong. EV's Outspeed Metagross and HP Fire isn't weakened by the rain, it is a normal attack. --- Life Jack (Floatzel) (M) @ Life Orb Ability: Swift Swim EVs: 200 HP/116 Atk/100 Def/16 Spd/76 SDef Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Waterfall - Bulk Up - Crunch - Ice Fang I tried Bulk Up passer but didn't work, Physical Sweeper. --- Ludicolo (M) @ Leftovers Ability: Rain Dish EVs: 192 HP/108 Spd/80 SAtk/128 SDef Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Grass Knot - Ice Beam - Leech Seed - Rain Dance This is a great poke. EV's to outspeed Hera again, they annoy me. Special Wall/ Sweeper. --- Swampy (Swampert) (F) @ Leftovers Ability: Torrent EVs: 240 HP/200 Def/68 SAtk Quiet nature (+SAtk, -Spd) - Earthquake - Hydro Pump - Roar - Hidden Power [Electric] My Lovely Mixed-Tank, it has been playing really well with HP Electric and it's funny when they play out Skarmory thinking they can live through me or set their SR and Spikes. --- Yeah, any comments or suggestion are most welcomed. |
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Believe me, there is no such thing as a perfect team. Especially weather. ESPECIALLY rain dance teams. Having no lead capable of RD set-up without the actual move costs you a slot and gives them a chance to set up. Ah well, i shall rate:
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Im no expert on these teams, but it looks OK :) |
Nothing can deal with a DD Gyara, the only possible solution is exploding Bronzong, but that's a really bad one. Remove Electivire for Zapdos, better way for dealing with Gyara and nice resists. Swampert should be entirely physical, that way he can take advantage of the bulk ups being passed to him.
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Zapdps could play really well here. Also I don't see how making Swampert fully physical will benfit this at all. I would be running a set composed of earthquake, Roar, SR and?? The Bulk Pass wouldn't be that usefull. I will try it though.
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Waterfall over surf for STAB, or avalanche is a good alternative for ice beam :)
I think he's saying hypothetically, It's meant for Vire but if you think about it a bulk pass could work. Its like cursepert without the speed reduction, which is never a bad thing |
Bulk Up Passing is mainly focused on Vire correct, but why not try and benifit, I say Mixpert benifits well from Bulk Up. He still gets the "power" to kill bad naughty things like Hippowdon and Rypherior but then still hast STAB earthquake Bulked Up.
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Taunt >>>> Pursuit on Floatzel or Skarmory and other PHazers are just gonna laugh at you, it also makes passing so much easier.
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Yeah but why not focus on attack when you could potentially raise it with Bulk Up? Avalanche and Waterfall would hurt either way.
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You will have a mess of trouble if Magnezone decides to trap that Bronzong of yours. Powerful sweepers can wear down Kingdra really quickly and will expose your lol walling. Honestly I'd run a Shed Shell on Bronzong because when that dies, you're pretty much toast.
This team doesn't have an answer for almost every sweeper in the game (especially Tyranitar who screws over the rain) so you'd better be ready. you can't switch into Salamence, Heracross, etc. For a team that is designed to outsweep things it doesn't sweep very well. Vire is pretty overrated (as in hi Swampert! Bye Motor Drive!) and really, bulky waters wall your entire team except Electivire...and this is where the rain will work against you since STAB, rain powered Surf attacks are going to hurt, and Swampert can kill with Earthquake. |
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I'm going to agree, especially since this team has no trouble with physical walls.
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Secondly, they have a reason too. This team wouldn't hold up all that well. Exploding your only Rain Dance starter after Kindgra will only help your opponent. Kingdra is too frail to set it up alone. Also, pick between either Floatzel or Electivire. I don't know if you've noticed, but the only pokemon weak to electric on your team is Floatzel, so Electivire is sorta null if you can use Floatzel already. Floatzel also kills many many threats with Life Orb in rain using those sets there. Brick Break - Weavile, Tyranitar, Blissey, Snorlax, Porygon-Z etc. Crunch - Cresselia, Dusknoir, Gengar, Alakazam, Azelf, Uxie, Mesprit etc. Ice Fang - Garchomp, Salamence, Dragonite, Gliscor etc. Waterfall (STAB) - Others. So yeah, rework it please. ~L_H |
So many wrongs said by you yet so many good comments.
1-) Dragon Pulse and Ice Beam don't work together, good point. However, the spread I used is for one reason and one reason only. Outspeeding Breloom. Breloom is what gives me trouble here and SpecMenc also kicks my ass. That is when I switch to Bronzong. 2-) Kingdra is not Fradgile at all. 1 weakness pokemon and can live variouse attacks and halves thunderbolt and has no touble generally. 3-) Floatzel hasn't been working lately, I agree with the set and Electivire I will be replacing with my own steel killer, Magnezone. 4-) Ludi was also given speed to outspeed annoying Heracross and no I didn't get them from Smogon. 5-) HP Electric on Swampy?? Intresting I must say. Roar with SR is helpful, but I see where you are going. Having more coverage and roaring to kill, will try it out. 6-) Yeah I shouldn't have name the team like that :P I guess I was arrogant again, sorry lol Edit: Bronzong exploder will pretty much go down the drain. Earthquake it is. Maybe special Zong. Sorry for double post, I just re-eddited the team check it out please. Speed EV's on Ludi and Kingdra are explained and they wont be changing. |
Why do you think Ludicolo will outspeed Heracross? lol. Base 70 without Swift Swim won't get it far.
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oh yeah lol, go dang lol. I messed up again lol pardon me, my bad.
I was thinking of how much speed kabutops needed to outspeed Hera in rain, damn -_- sorry about that. |
I just have to say that while vire is overrated as it is, running Cross Chop/EQ/Ice Punch with Thunderbolt over Thunderpunch is really a disgrace to pokemon. You know, it's honestly kind of funny when the opposing vire counter isn't Skarmory (and skarmory can't even counter Vire anyways lol) so it's honestly a load of pointlessness. I'd much rather hit Milotix and other waters harder. Also running Tbolt weakens your other attacks, something vire cannot afford to lose (its power)
Also Kingdra isn't fragile with defenseiove base stats only 5 points away from Celebi and Jirachi :P But really why do you need to get rid of steels with Megnezone when almost all of your pokemon resist moves of attacking Steels like Metagross and defensive steels get slaughtered by Rain Dance STAB Surfs. |
Thanks for that Anti
I thought Magnezone would get me through ugly things that live the surf and set on my non-spinner team, but I soon relized it wont matter cause they will SR on the switch (Bronzong) For now. Floatzel isn't doing anything for the team and neither is Ludi.... I think Kabutops is just more stable that Floatzel, lovely thing about Kabutops is that they will usually try and hit bronzong with fire and it is fun for it to take a flamethrower set the rain and Kabutops just come into flamethrower like nothing and sweep some pokes. I usually predict switches and SD the Kabutopes to get a monsterous STAB SE and Waterfall. Kabutopes for Floatzel Raikou for Magnezone and not sure on ludi. What you think? |
I ran a spin-off of this team, keeping Electivire and Ludicolo.
Replaced Floatzel with a bulkybro, and I won every game I've played so far. Ludi comes in handy for end game, I was down 5-2 last game and made a Bronzong and Ludi Rain dance, hypnosis, and surf sweep. |
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