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Kirioroshi March 12th, 2008 5:47 AM

what else can i add?
 
well heres a team im working on at the moment. i don't know what to fit in for the last slot.

currently i have 5 pokemon.


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Jolly
252atk/252spd/6hp
-Pursuit
-Brick Break
-Aerial Ace
-Ice Punch

quite standard i guess. Also should i change ice punch for ice shard?

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Jolly
252 atk/252 Spd/6hp
-Sword Dance
-Outrage
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake

Eh?

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Timid
Natures Cure
252 Satk/252 Spd/ 6 hp
-Ice Beam
-Grass Knot
-Thunderbolt
-Surf

quite standard..

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Careful
252 hp/120 Def/138 SDef
-Fire Punch
-Pain Split
-Will-O-Wisp
-Shadow Sneak

quite standard again.

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Impish
252 Hp / 64 Atk / 194 Def
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Knock Off
-Aerial Ace

and then there was the 6th slot.


i dont know what to put here =S
maybe a a rapid spinner or a cleric..

i have no idea's.. i aslo wouldnt mind dropping stuff for better stuff.

quintowill March 12th, 2008 3:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LemonLiceTea (Post 3396586)
well heres a team im working on at the moment. i don't know what to fit in for the last slot.

currently i have 5 pokemon.


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Jolly
252atk/252spd/6hp
-Pursuit
-Brick Break
-Night Slash
-Ice Shard (With Choice Band, Ice Shard will leave a dent in anything that do not resist it. )
If you was using Choice Scarf, I would use Ice Punch.)


quite standard i guess. Also should i change ice punch for ice shard?

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Jolly
252 atk/252 Spd/6hp
-Sword Dance
-Outrage
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake

Eh?

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Timid
Natures Cure
252 Satk/252 Spd/ 6 hp
-Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
-Thunderbolt
-Surf

quite standard..

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Careful
252 hp/120 Def/138 SDef
-Fire Punch
-Pain Split
-Will-O-Wisp
-Shadow Sneak

quite standard again.

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Impish
252 Hp / 64 Atk / 194 Def
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock
-Knock Off
-Aerial Ace

and then there was the 6th slot.

You really do not have a special wall. Or a phazer. I have one Pokemon that fills that empty void perfectly. The first is the legendary Pokemon of the North Wind, Suicune

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Bold
EV's 252 HP/252Defense/4SP.Attack
Calm Mind
Surf
Ice Beam/Hidden Power Electric (Only useful for Gyardos. Ice Beam without being boosted up is a 3HKO I believe)
Roar

The special wall that I am referring to is rumored to be the most beautiful in the world. Can you guess it? You can't scroll down until you guess. Stop cheating. I know your cheating.

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Bold
252HP/252Def/4Hp
Surf
Rest/Recover
Ice Beam
Sleep Talk (Use with Rest)/Hypnosis


i dont know what to put here =S
maybe a a rapid spinner or a cleric..

i have no idea's.. i aslo wouldnt mind dropping stuff for better stuff.

This is my first time giving advice to someone else so here we go. Anything in bold are my changes. I will not alter the EV's because I do not under stand them enough to be giving someone else advice. Let someone else do that.

Azonic March 12th, 2008 4:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LemonLiceTea (Post 3396586)
well heres a team im working on at the moment. i don't know what to fit in for the last slot.

currently i have 5 pokemon.


[email protected]
Jolly
252atk/252spd/6hp
-Pursuit / Night Slash
-Brick Break
-Aerial Ace
-Ice Punch / Ice Shard

quite standard i guess. Also should i change ice punch for ice shard?

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Jolly
212 Attack / 44 SAttack / 252 Speed
-Sword Dance
-Outrage / Dragon Claw
-Fire Blast
-Earthquake

Eh?

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Timid
Natures Cure
252 Satk/252 Spd/ 6 hp
-Ice Beam
-Grass Knot / Rapid Spin
-Thunderbolt
-Surf

quite standard..

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Careful
252 hp/120 Def/138 SDef
-Fire Punch
-Pain Split
-Will-O-Wisp
-Shadow Sneak

quite standard again.

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Impish
252 Hp / 64 Atk / 194 Def
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock
-Knock Off
-Aerial Ace

and then there was the 6th slot.


i dont know what to put here =S
maybe a a rapid spinner or a cleric..

i have no idea's.. i aslo wouldnt mind dropping stuff for better stuff.

Special Wall is needed. Fixes have been packed into a quote.

Anti March 12th, 2008 4:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LemonLiceTea (Post 3396586)
well heres a team im working on at the moment. i don't know what to fit in for the last slot.

currently i have 5 pokemon.


[email protected]
Jolly
252atk/252spd/6hp
-Pursuit
-Brick Break
-Night slash / Ice Punch
-Ice Punch

quite standard i guess. Also should i change ice punch for ice shard?

Aerial Ace is really terrible on Weavile.

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Jolly
252 atk/252 Spd/6hp
-Sword Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Fire Fang
-Earthquake

Eh?

Outrage without a speed boost is a one-way ticket to OHKO land by fast sweepers like Starmie who can revenge kill you, or forry can set up its Spikes.

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Timid
Natures Cure
252 Satk/252 Spd/ 6 hp
-Ice Beam
-Grass Knot
-Thunderbolt
-Surf

quite standard..

Fine, consider Modest for a power boost.

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Careful
252 hp/76 Def/180 SDef
-Fire Punch
-Pain Split
-Will-O-Wisp
-Shadow Sneak

quite standard again.

We get it.

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Impish
252 Hp / 64 Atk / 194 Def
-Earthquake
-Roost
-Knock Off
-Aerial Ace

Stone Edge is a total waste on Glsicor and does absolutely nothing to help it at all. Its biggest asset is its fighting resistance and Dusknoir already does that better so why bother? IMO you need a steel wall here or perhaps a different bulky ground.

and then there was the 6th slot.

i dont know what to put here =S
maybe a a rapid spinner or a cleric..

i have no idea's.. i aslo wouldnt mind dropping stuff for better stuff.

Edit in bold. also Glsicor without Roost sucks and it always will.

IMO you need something like Forretress to Rapid Spin over Gliscor. Also a special wall is needed, there are several to choose from.

Syaoran March 12th, 2008 4:34 PM

I second Anti on Forretress.. you need a Weavile counter, in case yours loses the speed tie, because your entire team is Weavile weak.

Blissey can fit in here as your special wall.

Arcknight316 March 12th, 2008 6:49 PM

ReSTalkLax meshes in good w/ 'Noir, thx to Fighting and Adaptability Porygon-Z Tri Atk immunity.

Kirioroshi March 13th, 2008 1:12 AM

Im only considering using Garchomp becasue he has good Iv's. But im planning to drop him for mixnape or physical nape.

well instead of Gliscor i can use this donphan

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Impish
252 hp / 64 Atk / 194 Def
-Earthquake
-Rapid Spin
-Ice Shard
-Stealth Rock / Stone Edge

I cant get Gliscor anyway, so might as well use a donphan.

the last slot can be either Suicune, Milotic or Forretress..

Dark Azelf March 13th, 2008 2:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LemonLiceTea (Post 3396586)
well heres a team im working on at the moment. i don't know what to fit in for the last slot.

currently i have 5 pokemon.


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Jolly
252atk/216spd/40hp
-Pursuit
-Brick Break
-Night Slash
-Ice Shard

Yes,you need ice Shard or Scarf Chomp and Dragon Dancers says hi, also Aerial Ace is pure fail, you need Night Slash for stuff that will stay in when they expect a pursuit, Cressy, Celebi etc.

252 SPEED = Overkill, give it 216 to outrun Sceptile, Zam and Duggy. 40 HP Evs allow you to switch directly into an unboosted Azewlfs Flamethrower and live and also survive a Modest choice Specs starmies Surf =)


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Jolly
252 atk/240 Spd/16hp
-Sword Dance
-Outrage
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake

yeah, so many 252/252 spreads, run some speed numbers to see what you need to hit. 240 gives 330 speed, 333 with 252 speed evs does nothing but waste evs when they could be put in better places, namely hp.






Changes are in bold.


Quote:

Originally Posted by LemonLiceTea (Post 3398416)
Im only considering using Garchomp becasue he has good Iv's. But im planning to drop him for mixnape or physical nape.

well instead of Gliscor i can use this donphan

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Impish
252 hp / 64 Atk / 194 Def
-Earthquake
-Rapid Spin
-Ice Shard
-Stealth Rock / Stone Edge

I cant get Gliscor anyway, so might as well use a donphan.

the last slot can be either Suicune, Milotic or Forretress..


Any if you use that Breloom rapes your entire team regardless =/ (Noir gets raped by sub-seed and seed bombs) . Keep Gliscor.





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252 HP / 186 DEF / 72 SPEED.
Impish nature
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Roost

72 Speed evs are sexy on this, outrunning timid Magnezone, Jolly T-Tar and Breloom = win.

Also nothing can switch in on a Draco meteor, dusknoir gets 2hko'd.


So you need a sp.wall. *Looks at bliss puff*, Also Rest-Talk Sassy Bronzong is a pretty sweet sp.wall.

Make starmie your spinner.

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Timid Nature
Trait : Natural Cure
40 HP / 252 Sp.Att / 216 speed.
- Ice Beam
- Surf / Hydro pump
- Thunderbolt
- Rapid Spin.


Id add metagross, Scizor or something not weak to it, in here somewhere aswell to kick weaviles ass. Ape would be ok i guess aswell, with Mach Punch though ;), Something like this, i tried this on shoddy and its been working nicely, Syaoran helped me with it.


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Naive Nature
252 ATT / 24 SP.ATT / 232 SPEED
- Mach Punch
- Close Combat
- Overheat / Fire Blast
- Grass Knot / U-Turn / Thunderpunch / Stone Edge.


Basic hit and run.

Kirioroshi March 13th, 2008 7:04 AM

Gligars cant be obtained =[ i have everything but emerald >.> and i don't have WiFI.

Metagross seems cool.

but do i need clerics?

AluminumKnight March 13th, 2008 8:05 AM

I like Suicune fitting into this team. Use the standard given by quintowill.

Definitely keep Gliscor. Awesome Breloom/Hera counter. Hmmm, you say you don't have Emerald, or WiFi? What are you using this team for, then? Just for fun? Seems like a lot of effort for a "just for fun" team...

Dark Azelf March 13th, 2008 8:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LemonLiceTea (Post 3398605)
Gligars cant be obtained =[ i have everything but emerald >.> and i don't have WiFI.

Metagross seems cool.

but do i need clerics?

I have Gligars =), want one ? Pm me...


Well, no you dont have to have a cleric if you have a Rest-Talker as a status absorber.




You still need a sp.wall though ......

S0ul 0f St33l March 13th, 2008 9:21 AM

try blissey with seismic toss, standard, but effective

Kirioroshi March 15th, 2008 4:01 AM

can tenticruel be a Sp.wall?

Dark Azelf March 15th, 2008 4:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LemonLiceTea (Post 3403100)
can tenticruel be a Sp.wall?

No, Tenta is more of a support pokemon

but this can wall effectivly.


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244 HP / 28 Def / 236 Sp.Def
Careful nature
Trait : Thick Fat
- Body Slam
- Crunch / Earthquake / Fire Punch
- Sleep Talk
- Rest.


Really though, get Blissey NOAW !!!


EDIT : Still breloom weak though =(. if you dont use Gliscor.

Dunsparce March 15th, 2008 4:47 AM

YOU NEED BLISSEY!:

Make sure get it from the 3rd Gen, or else you can't get Seismic Toss on it.

Make sure sure it has Bold nature, 252 Def EVs, Natural Cure, and Bred to have Aromatheraphy.

Demanding, yes, but you won't regret it.

Arcknight316 March 15th, 2008 9:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3403174)
No, Tenta is more of a support pokemon

but this can wall effectivly.


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244 HP / 28 Def / 236 Sp.Def
Careful nature
Trait : Thick Fat
- Body Slam
- Crunch / Earthquake / Fire Punch
- Sleep Talk
- Rest.


Really though, get Blissey NOAW !!!


EDIT : Still breloom weak though =(. if you dont use Gliscor.

...didn't I say ReSTalkLax already? Well, I didn't post the set, but still...

Snorlax works VERY nicely with 'Noir.

Kirioroshi March 15th, 2008 7:22 PM

hm...alright ill give blissey a shot.

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Bold
Natures Cure
252 Hp / 252 Def / 6 Hp
-Seismic Toss
-Aromatherapy
-Softboil
-Ice Beam

Does this look right?

for my last slot, should i use a breloom or Rest-Talk Lax?

charmanderchampion March 18th, 2008 11:21 AM

Put a tyranitar in there it never dies i faced a lv 100 palkia that used surf on my tyranitar and if only took 1/5 of its health and i killed the palkia in 2 hits. its moves are earthquake, shadowball, crunch and surf.

Dark Azelf March 18th, 2008 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charmanderchampion (Post 3411440)
Put a tyranitar in there it never dies i faced a lv 100 palkia that used surf on my tyranitar and if only took 1/5 of its health and i killed the palkia in 2 hits. its moves are earthquake, shadowball, crunch and surf.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueberry
.

This bugs me the most & I put it up first. I am sick of seeing people give horrid advice that defies common sense, just so they can admit “I’m not that good at teams.” If you’re not good, why did you speak? “I was just trying to help.” Trust me, when you give bad advice, you aren’t helping anyone. In fact, you are only hurting the one you are trying to help. Like giving directions. If you don’t know the way, don’t give them directions that would get them lost.


Yeah, that pretty much sums that up.

Dunsparce March 18th, 2008 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charmanderchampion (Post 3411440)
Put a tyranitar in there it never dies i faced a lv 100 palkia that used surf on my tyranitar and if only took 1/5 of its health and i killed the palkia in 2 hits. its moves are earthquake, shadowball, crunch and surf.

._.

...

wow...

This post, by far, is one of the most horrible suggestions I have yet to see on Pokecommunity RMT.

There are people who want their team to be rated that are FAR worse, but when it comes to suggestions, even I can tell this is ridiculous.

*sigs*

El Gofre March 18th, 2008 12:38 PM

You think that's bad, i had a quote of someone calling blissey "crap cuz it had rubbish attack". Why oh why did we lose those four days, my hall of shame shrunk dramatically lol.

As has been said, this team needs some blissey. Dusknoir doesnt need that much defence, it has WoW to substitute. 84/172 Def/SpDef spread please.

Kirioroshi March 19th, 2008 3:38 AM

T-tar with shadow ball? O.o

Does blissey need Seismic Toss?

Dark Azelf March 19th, 2008 7:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LemonLiceTea (Post 3412918)
T-tar with shadow ball? O.o

Does blissey need Seismic Toss?

yes, or you get raped by Calm Minders =)

sims796 March 19th, 2008 9:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3413061)
yes, or you get raped by Calm Minders =)

And Gruimpig with Rest. The same reason Heatran must be careful with Metal Sound :P


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