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Ársa March 13th, 2008 7:58 PM

My Latest..."Team"
 
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Adamant
212 HP, 16 Atk, 136 Def, 144 Spd

Dragon Dance
Taunt
Waterfall
Stone Edge

Standard Bulky-Dos. Speed EV's allow me to outspeed Timid Gengar (350), Adamant Weavile (349), Naive/Jolly Infernape (346), Modest Sceptile/Adamant Dugtrio (339) and all non-scarf Garchomp varients (After 1DD). Waterfall/Stone Edge over the Ice Fang/Earthquake set, which I hate.

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Timid
252 Sp. Atk, 224 Spd, 32 HP
Natural Cure

Thunderbolt
Surf
Ice Beam
Grass Knot

Specs-Star rules. This is my Mix-Ape and Gyara counter, and it does it very well. Too many people expect it as a Rapid Spinner.

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Calm
252 Def, 216 Sp. Def, 40 HP
Natural Cure

Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Thunder Wave
Softboiled

ADV Standard still applies here.

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Impish
252 HP, 72 Def, 36 Spd, 140 Sp. Def, 8 Atk

Wish
Reflect
Zen Headbutt
Body Slam

Takes Dragon hits on the chin and is my Wish passer. Provides Reflect and Paralysis support.

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Impish
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk

Rapid Spin
Toxic
Stealth Rock
Earthquake

Physical Wall and Rapid Spinner.

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Adamant
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Guts

Megahorn
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Pursuit

CBCross >> CSCross any day. Pursuit annihiliates Blissey on the switch, taking care of that problem.

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Threat List:

Tyranitar:

Infernape:

Gyarados:

Azelf:

Electivire:

Heracross:

Salamence:

Togekiss:

Gengar:

Garchomp:

Lucario:

Starmie:

Weavile:

Dugtrio:

Porygon-Z:

Machamp:

Zapdos:

Suicune:

Breloom:

Ninjask:

Metagross:

Heatran:

Celebi:

Jirachi:

Dragonite:

Mamoswine:

Gallade:

Yanmega:

Kingdra:

Roserade:

Scizor:

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Ok, I like the look of this, but I think Jirachi may be better off being replaced for something like Bronzong that can take hits fairly better. What does everyone think?

~T_S

Mr. Roboto March 13th, 2008 10:04 PM

Team seems pretty solid but I think you should rate mine. Hhaha.

BeachBoy March 13th, 2008 10:12 PM

Well T_S I must admit I never knew gyarados outsped such threats as timid gengar, and adamant weavile.

I think Yanmega would like protect somewhere but I dont see it anywhere. Scarfgar might cuase a problem if you lose jirachi/blissey.

I think you should go bronzong over jirachi, as mamoswine is pretty propular these days.

DubHalo March 13th, 2008 10:16 PM

hm sounds preety deadly why not take out some gyrados though X_X

Ársa March 13th, 2008 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 3400557)
Well T_S I must admit I never knew gyarados outsped such threats as timid gengar, and adamant weavile.

I think Yanmega would like protect somewhere but I dont see it anywhere. Scarfgar might cuase a problem if you lose jirachi/blissey.

I think you should go bronzong over jirachi, as mamoswine is pretty propular these days.

Notice the "After 1DD"? lol

Yanmega is sweeping, and putting up a Sub gives the same effect as protect, but actually provides help in getting down to Petaya Berry.

Mamoswine doesn't cause problems, I was considering Bronzong though, we will see.

~T_S

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Originally Posted by DubHalo (Post 3400561)
hm sounds preety deadly why not take out some gyrados though X_X

Ummmm, how about you shut up and go away. I don't want people spamming this thread, this is a RMT, not discussion...

Dark Azelf March 14th, 2008 7:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tortured_Soul (Post 3400565)
Notice the "After 1DD"? lol

Yanmega is sweeping, and putting up a Sub gives the same effect as protect, but actually provides help in getting down to Petaya Berry.

Mamoswine doesn't cause problems, I was considering Bronzong though, we will see.

~T_S



Ummmm, how about you shut up and go away. I don't want people spamming this thread, this is a RMT, not discussion...

Lol, Harsh.


Anyways, this looks nice, you may want to put Toxic >> ice Shard on Donphan it helps with Spin Blockers, dusknoir and spiritomb even frikkin Mismagius and Rotom o_0 started to REALLY piss me off when i used it as a spinner.


Also Blissey want Calm >>Bold, even more this gen, *Looks at Porygon-z and Azelf*.

Ice Punch is pretty sweet on jirachi aswell, its fun coming in on random outrages =), But Body slam it probably better just for the Parahax lol, No u-turn either ? =o Its really helpful for Duggy and Zone.


Just be careful of Flamethrower/Hidden power Ice/Thunderbolt/Cross Chop EVires, they seem to be coming back =[ and watch out for mixape , you wont outspeed it with Yanmega unless you have protect.And Gyarados gets OHKO'd by a Grass Knot if it comes in on Stealth Rock. I suppose you can outspeed both with Chomp, but just something to look out for if chomp gets Ice Shard revenge killed by weavile when your stuck in Outrage or something.

@Mr Roboto, please dont spam T_S thread.

El Gofre March 14th, 2008 9:10 AM

Looks like a solid team. HP Fire over HP Ice on Yanmega or steel types will wall it completely, not good for late-game sweepers as there's usually less options for you to switch with. 200Spd/58HP of scarfchomp, it still outspeeds other chomps if im thinking of the right EV spread. I can see this team having weavile problems, because nothing fully resists it. I'd agree Zong is considerable in this team, but it looks better than anyting i could do :)

Ársa March 14th, 2008 2:11 PM

I have found Yanmega is a dead weight on this team really. I'm considering removing it. Hmm, Calm on Bliss then. Toxic over Ice Shard? I suppose I can give it a shot.

Sorry to Mr. Roboto, but people really annoy me when they use threads as spam fodder.

~T_S

Candymancan March 14th, 2008 9:56 PM

Isnt Jirachi a Legend ? I thought no one plays people with legends on there teams ?

Team Looks really Good, but i think if you came accross a Jolly Weevile, you would have problems, a Choice Band Jolly Weevile with ice punch could 1hko kill your Yanmega, and Garchomp, and your Donphan in one or 2 hits. With Brick Break If could do a number on blissy possibly 2 hitting it. I dunno im not a expert at Wifi dueling cuss i usually always quit the game after i make a team lol cuss i lose interest. But a Jolly weevile could do alot of dmg to this team.

If you dont like Yanmega what about a Ghost Pokemon ? Like Mismagius or something ?

Ársa March 15th, 2008 12:14 AM

Weavile is no problem. Choice Band Weavile usually run Ice Shard over Ice Punch so they can revenge kill Scarfchomp. Donphan does not care for an Ice Shard, and I can switch in Gyarados to Intimidate it then OHKO with Stone Edge. It isn't an issue.

~T_S

sims796 March 15th, 2008 12:32 AM

[QUOTE=Candymancan;3402740]Isnt Jirachi a Legend ? I thought no one plays people with legends on there teams ?QUOTE]

No, no one plays with ubers. Being weak to Earthquake is not good, and that limits Jirachi.

Thee is a difference between legends & ubers. Ubers are too strong, as tey have either the stats, moves, &/or ability that weakens it. Some legends have either pitiful moveset, pitiful stats, a hindering ability (Slow Start), or too many weaknesses (Celebii), or their weaknesses are too common (Moltres).

Ársa March 15th, 2008 12:35 AM

Thanks for helping my team sims, great job... :P

I wanna get rid of Yanmega, it seems to be a dead weight.

~T_S

BeachBoy March 15th, 2008 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tortured_Soul (Post 3402928)
Thanks for helping my team sims, great job... :P

I wanna get rid of Yanmega, it seems to be a dead weight.

~T_S

You know, how about Specsluke there, the team could suit him nicely, whata think?

Ársa March 15th, 2008 12:42 AM

Another steel type? Yanmega was nice because it could switch into Earthquakes directed at Jirachi. Sorry, I should have mentioned that. Gengar I suppose, anything that can take an earthquake on the chin.

~T_S

BeachBoy March 15th, 2008 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Tortured_Soul (Post 3402943)
Another steel type? Yanmega was nice because it could switch into Earthquakes directed at Jirachi. Sorry, I should have mentioned that. Gengar I suppose, anything that can take an earthquake on the chin.

~T_S

Gyarados doesnt fill that while at the same time intimidating? Well yeah prediction factors there I gues. So.. Well I guess your right, but it seems a nice fit to me.

You know, Calm mind bronzong, that would be fun?[/noobthought] But I guess gengar really would do better. ;P

Ársa March 15th, 2008 12:56 AM

lol, I didn't think of Dos, but being able to attack at both sides of the physical spectrum is nice. ;)

I just want something with similar coverage. (Bug, Ice, Flying)

~T_S

boo836 March 15th, 2008 3:04 PM

Best I can think of is for jirachi. Since you are probobly getting rid off yanmega, u-turn is nice for celebi. It can be used also for a wish pass, only it does damage. Before anyone says somethin, celebi's either carry phycic or grass knot. But you don't want to take the chance.

Squeenix March 15th, 2008 5:22 PM

If your getting rid of yanmega you should really get something on the special side of the rainbow where the Azelf's and Lucario's who found choice specs on the ground live....... Azelf or CM Bronzong would do nice if you want to switch into predicted earthquakes so much........

Ársa March 18th, 2008 3:34 AM

Updated with Azelf over Yanmega. Covers things better this way.

~T_S

Nightofshadow March 18th, 2008 4:46 AM

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Adamant
212 HP, 16 Atk, 136 Def, 144 Spd

Dragon Dance
Taunt
Waterfall
Stone Edge

Standard Bulky-Dos. Speed EV's allow me to outspeed Timid Gengar (350), Adamant Weavile (349), Naive/Jolly Infernape (346), Modest Sceptile/Adamant Dugtrio (339) and all non-scarf Garchomp varients (After 1DD). Waterfall/Stone Edge over the Ice Fang/Earthquake set, which I hate.

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Modest
252 Sp. Atk, 168 Spd, 90 Atk

U-Turn
Fire Blast
Psychic
Hidden Power [ICE]

Special Sweeper. Outspeeds all things important. Hits 308 Spd, outspeeding Adamant ScarfChomp. HP ICE is for that reason. Psychic STAB hits Breloom etc.

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Calm
252 Def, 216 Sp. Def, 40 HP
Natural Cure

Aromatherapy
Seismic Toss
Thunder Wave
Softboiled

ADV Standard still applies here.

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Impish
252 HP, 72 Def, 36 Spd, 140 Sp. Def, 8 Atk

Wish
Reflect
Zen Headbutt
Body Slam

Takes Dragon hits on the chin and is my Wish passer. Provides Reflect and Paralysis support.

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Impish
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk

Rapid Spin
Toxic
Stealth Rock
Earthquake

Physical Wall and Rapid Spinner.

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Adamant
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Crunch / Stone Edge
Fire Blast / Fang

Scarfchomp. 252 Spd because everyone else uses it, and I don't want to be caught behind in that regard. Crunch hits Gengar and Cresselia hard, and Earthquake does more damage than Brick Break, so it isn't useful.

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Threat List:

Tyranitar: Garchomp, Azelf

Infernape: Garchomp, Gyarados, Azelf

Gyarados: Jirachi, Gyarados

Azelf: Blissey, Azelf

Electivire: Garchomp, Donphan

Heracross: Gyarados, Jirachi, Azelf

Salamence: Garchomp, Donphan (CB), Blissey (CSp.), Azelf

Togekiss: Gyarados

Gengar: Garchomp, Blissey, Azelf (Non-Scarf)

Garchomp: Garchomp, Azelf

Lucario: Blissey (CS), Donphan (CB/SD), Gyarados (CB/SD), Azelf

Starmie: Blissey, Azelf

Weavile: Gyarados, Donphan, Azelf

Dugtrio: Gyarados (1DD), Donphan

Porygon-Z: Blissey

Machamp: Donphan

Zapdos: Blissey, Gyarados

Suicune: Gyarados

Breloom: Gyarados, Azelf

Ninjask: Gyarados, Azelf

Metagross: Donphan, Jirachi

Heatran: Blissey

Celebi: Azelf, Blissey (T-Wave)

Jirachi: Donphan (Non-HP ICE), Garchomp, Azelf

Dragonite: Garchomp, Donphan, Azelf

Mamoswine: Garchomp, Donphan, Gyarados

Gallade: Gyarados, Azelf

Yanmega: Donphan, Blissey, Stealth Rock

Kingdra: Garchomp, Blissey (T-Wave)

Roserade: Azelf, Garchomp, Blissey

Scizor: Garchomp, Azelf

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Ok, I like the look of this, but I think Jirachi may be better off being replaced for something like Bronzong that can take hits fairly better. What does everyone think?

~T_S

YOur team is all OU meaning its most likely a VERY boring team to play with. However There is no need for bodyslam on jirachi, Abusing serene grace is ok i suppose but I think U turn is WAY more versitile for wish passing. Your team though.

Dark Azelf March 18th, 2008 7:59 AM

Are 2 choice Scarfers really necessary ?


Its up to you, but ive only really ever had success with one scarfer per team, 2 never really worked out for me, but i suppose since your using them to revenge kill alot here, then thats ok.



Also, go over your threat list, ones that stood out to me as "WTF !!", were Gyarados countering Zapdos and Azelf countering T-Tar =/ <<lolwut ?


And whats more surprizing, is that you have no answer to gyarados without getting locked into Outrage << Stone Edge on Garchomp plesh !!

Anti March 18th, 2008 7:02 PM

This might seem like nitpicking but you really do seem to rely on Wish support a bit much, even though it is only for Donphan. If Donphan is at low health and there's a physical sweeper in the ring, there's no time to pass wish which is why this team needs some backup on the physical defense side so badly. Also Dugtrio can trap and kill your wish supporter which is no fun. Then again Dugtrio kills a lot of things.

Also I have to wonder what Scarfchomp is doing on this team with Scarf Azelf. I honestly don't get why the popularity of Choice Scarf has been rising but that is just asking your team to be stalled to death. Stalling machines will give you a mess of trouble and Skarmbliss*Gyarados/Chomp counter* wall your team pretty badly, Cress usually being the last part of the mix.

Speaking of Cresselia, that walls your team really bad, and that's not even including the walling support it will have. Also watch out for Weavile. This team isn't Weavile weak by any means but it can tear through most of your defenses and really give you trouble, especially if SR is in play to eat up Gyarados. For example, it can show Azelf a tough time with Pursuit when it is locked on Psychic and bombards Donphan and friends.

Back to the choice scarfer fad, I must say it's really stupid. you're only going to get REALLY badly stalled and Gyarados can't beat as many stallers as you'd think (such as Cresselia and Celebi) which is something to watch out for. You really need to run a Nasty Plot set on Azelf or you should take it out, otherwise it is just a dead weight, much more than Yanmega ever was.

The only glaring flaw I see is the difficulty with stall teams and stalling techniques in general, which will easily tear this team apart.

Also that is not standard Advance Blissey at all, at least not Thunder Wave and the EVs.

Also your threat list is terribly terribly flawed. Half of what you say counters the pokemon listed could only dream of switching in on that given pokemon. for example, when Azelf can survive X-Scizzor from Scizor, please do tell me. Also Blissey's Thunder Wave doesn't really cripple Celebi at all, it can still stall pretty effectively and also has Natural Cure ._.

I'm a bit rusty so sorry for any sad mistakes in the rate, I've been buried in schoolwork and have also been on vacation for a few days so yeah.

Ársa March 19th, 2008 1:12 AM

The whole point of the "Blissey countering Celebi" is that Blissey also has Natural Cure. I was refferring to the fact that Celebi can only really T-Wave Blissey. Dugtrio should always really get at least 1 kill in, so it is hard to counter that...

I've removed the scarf on chomp for life Orb, I actually forgot that I had two, it was never intended. >_<

Revenge killing was the main focus point in regards to the threat list. If a Scizor is running hot, then most certainly in comes Gyara to Intimidate, or Donphan to take the hits. It isn't a true problem.

I must argue, I don't rely on Wish support. Wish was an afterthought on Jirachi, and it only helps. Jirachi is running Reflect to help in that regard, and Gyarados behind a reflect with Intimidate isn't that bad...

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Originally Posted by Nightofshadow
YOur team is all OU meaning its most likely a VERY boring team to play with. However There is no need for bodyslam on jirachi, Abusing serene grace is ok i suppose but I think U turn is WAY more versitile for wish passing. Your team though.

Yeah...no. Having all OU is fine. Seriously, if you're going to say something, make it helpful. People must realize Jirachi's whole purpose is not wish passing! You have no idea how easy it is to take threats to your pokemon if they are all paralyzed. It can be an option over Zen Headbutt, but it is really only an afterthought.

~T_S

Dark Azelf March 19th, 2008 7:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tortured_Soul (Post 3412810)
The whole point of the "Blissey countering Celebi" is that Blissey also has Natural Cure. I was refferring to the fact that Celebi can only really T-Wave Blissey. Dugtrio should always really get at least 1 kill in, so it is hard to counter that...

No, no dont expect that ALL the time from Celebi, i havent battled on shoddy for a while, and i dont know how common the set is, but Celebi can take Bliss all day long, it has 404 HP, Leech Seed and Substitute.


I've removed the scarf on chomp for life Orb, I actually forgot that I had two, it was never intended. >_<

life Orb FTW !!!


Revenge killing was the main focus point in regards to the threat list. If a Scizor is running hot, then most certainly in comes Gyara to Intimidate, or Donphan to take the hits. It isn't a true problem.

Revenge killing is sometimes not the way to go, its good especially this gen when so much stuff doesnt have a sure fire counter, but back up would be nice, i see have have some so ill let you off ;)


I must argue, I don't rely on Wish support. Wish was an afterthought on Jirachi, and it only helps. Jirachi is running Reflect to help in that regard, and Gyarados behind a reflect with Intimidate isn't that bad...

Yeah...no. Having all OU is fine. Seriously, if you're going to say something, make it helpful. People must realize Jirachi's whole purpose is not wish passing! You have no idea how easy it is to take threats to your pokemon if they are all paralyzed. It can be an option over Zen Headbutt, but it is really only an afterthought.

~T_S

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightofshadow
YOur team is all OU meaning its most likely a VERY boring team to play with. However There is no need for bodyslam on jirachi, Abusing serene grace is ok i suppose but I think U turn is WAY more versitile for wish passing. Your team though.

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Originally Posted by Blueberry
4) FOR CRAP’S SAKE, NOBODY CARES HOW MUCH YOU HATE BLISSEY.

This goes for ALL OUs, I am sick & tired of people disapproving of OU teams because they are too “common.” Once, in a thread a player made made, he said he might use Blissey. But someone said to him, “No, don’t use Blissey! It ruins your originality!” Who cares? He never said he was being original. Those post are unhelpful and is considered spam.

Pretty much sums that up lol

Body Slam and Zen headbutt are really nasty on Jirachi, paralyzed my whole team, but thank god my bliss had Aroma =p. Its like a mini Togekiss flinch hax.



However, Im more concerned about what you plan on doing to foe gyarados, tbh, none of your team can actually do anything to it. The best thing you can do is paralyze it with jirachi, but thats not really a counter when your gonna be taking DD Earthquakes, sure Azelf can outspeed it, but i know for a fact Gyara can survive an unboosted Psychic and waste the poor little guy, again your own Gyarados can switch in, but he certainly wont like taking boosted Stone Edges.This may need sorting out, Choice Scarf Starmie ftw >>Azelf ????, its so unexpected and makes a lovely revenge killer. Especially on stuff like Chomp locked into an Outrage etc.


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90 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 168 SPEED
Modest Nature
Trait : Natural Cure
- Hidden power Fighting <<Kthnxbai weavile =)
- Hydro pump / Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

You can run Grass Knot >> HP Fighting, but its so useful especially when you send Starmie after weavile to revenge kill it and they are like "WTF dude, you know Weavile is faster right ?", and then im like "Kapow, pimp smack your ass" LOL XD



On Life Orb Chomp, try Swords Dance / Substitute, Earthquake or Fire Fang/Outrage/Earthquake or Fire Fang.Beastly is a word it use to describe it lol.

For some reason i can this

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Naughty Nature
216 Atk / 96 Sp.A / 196 Speed
- ice Beam / Hidden power Grass
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

= Anti metagame T-Tar =), takes prediction and knowing your counter to work, but i can honestly say this is in the top 5 life orb user iv ever used, and i have used alot of pokes. Awesome with Wish Support and covers Jirachi's Fire Weakness so it will have many opportunities to get healed by Wish, it will be a Nightmare for your opponent. You have enough pokes to cover its weakness aswell, so it really Fits very nicely into this team......>>Chomp, it really helps with your Cress problem aswell by canceling her leftovers and crunch, HP Grass is nice seeing as swampy may cause problems also, and 3 pokes are immune to SS, so it doesnt matter.

Ársa March 19th, 2008 3:25 PM

CS Starmie? Interesting. :P *Goes to test on Shoddy

I will take into account that T-Tar as well, but now I need to majorly update the Threat List... >_> lol

Thankyou.

Regards,

~T_S

EDIT: HP FIGHT means a 30 Spd IV. Are those the correct EV's? I think those might be for a 31 IV, but that's impossible... :(


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