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BrainDamage March 13th, 2008 8:54 PM

RMT Version 2.0 (the last one was a crock)
 
hopefully this one isnt. constructive criticism appreciated


Weavile @Choice Band
Jolly: 216 Spd / 252 Atk / 42 hp
Brick Break
Ice Shard
Night Slash
Pursuit

lead, persuit for gengar/zam leads, stabbed ice shard for scarved sweepers, night slash for stab.


Electivire @Expert Belt/life orb
Mild: 76 Att / 252 SP.ATT / 180 SPEED
HP Ice
Thunderbolt
Flamethrower
Cross Chop

Mock-true bolt beamer with cross chop for blissey might be tricked inito thinking him 100% special. switches in to electric attacks that were meant for starmie/skar to take advantage of motor drive


Blissey @ leftovers (cleric, sp. wall)
Calm: 40 HP / 252 Def / 216 Sp.Def
seismic toss
aromatherapy
softboiled
thunder wave

with only this amount of HP, blissey still has 660 ish HP AND enough def and plenty of Special def to sponge any special sweeper and takes 3-4 focus blasts from gengar/Zam to kill her. if Zam/Gengar, I can 3HKO with seismic toss or t-wave them


Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid: 172 hp / 218 spd / 120 sp.atk
Surf
recover
Thunderbolt
Rapid Spin

(no icebeam b/c I already have ice coverage) grass knot for swampy/bulky waters. rapid spinner and Ape counter


[email protected] Shell/leftovers
Impish: 252 HP / 64 Atk / 192 Def
Brave Bird
Roost
Spikes
whirlwind

Absorbtion of physical attacks: if i predict close combat, i switch to starmie who will survive if its not SD'ed, special fire to blissey, t-bolt to electivire,


Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Careful: 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SDef
Will-o-Wisp
fire punch/thunder punch/ice punch
Shadow sneak
Pain Split

Spikes insurance. cant decide on which punch.

still have an infernape weakness but starmie outspeeds it and KOs with surf.

I've been suggested to replace skarmory with Hippowdon. I cant quite decide, so a second opinion on this would be great

Dani_X March 14th, 2008 3:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainDamage (Post 3400479)
hopefully this one isnt. constructive criticism appreciated

Weavile @ Focus Sash
Jolly: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 6 hp
Brick Break
Ice Punch
Night Slash
Swords Dance

Electivire @Expert Belt/life orb
Mild: 76 Att / 252 SP.ATT / 180 SPEED
HP Grass
Thunderbolt
Flamethrower
Cross Chop

Use Articuno if you want anotther cleric.

252 hp / 94 sp.def / 94 def / 64 sp.atk
Calm

- Heal Bell
- Ice Beam
- Roost
- Toxic



Starmie @ Leftovers - Losing health using a Rapid Spin is not cool.
Timid: 172 hp / 216 spd / 120 sp.atk
Surf
Grass knot
Thunderbolt
Rapid Spin

(no icebeam b/c I already have ice coverage) grass knot for swampy/bulky waters

[email protected] Shell
Impish: 252 HP / 64 Atk / 192 Def
Brave Bird
Roost
Spikes
Roar

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Careful: 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SDef
Will-o-Wisp
Shadow Punch
Thunderpunch
Pain Split

still have an infernape weakness but starmie outspeeds it and KOs with surf. I'd like to replace blissey with a different cleric but dont know who...(suggestions on that please)

Modifications in bold. Magnezone + Weavile combo can seriously damage your team.

BrainDamage March 14th, 2008 4:06 PM

since when does articuno have heal bell?

Dark Azelf March 14th, 2008 4:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainDamage (Post 3401950)
since when does articuno have heal bell?

From pokemon XD i believe

BrainDamage March 14th, 2008 6:38 PM

ah. well that's probably gonna be out cause there's no way im gonna find one with the right nature, especially since i dont own the game myself. Can meganium be an effective cleric outside the uu/bl tier?

Dunsparce March 15th, 2008 4:28 AM

Even through 99.9% of what I'm about to list suck at the job(Or suck in general), I'm going to give you a list of Heal Bell/Aromatherapy Pokemon:

Heal Bell:
Altaria (XD)
Ampharos (Mareep XD)
Articuno(XD)
Blissey (EGG)
Celebi (Lv.Up)
Chimecho (Lv.Up)
Delcatty (Skitty Lv.Up)
Dragonite (XD)
Granbull (EGG)
Lapras (XD)
Lickilicky (Lickitung Event Move)
Mightyena (Poochyena XD)
Miltank (Lv.Up)

Aromatherapy:
Blissey (EGG)
Cherrim (EGG)
Jumpluff (EGG)
Meganium (Lv.Up)
Parasect (Lv.Up)
Roserade (Roselia Lv.Up)
Shaymin (Lv.Up) UNAVAILABLE CURRENTY
Vileplume (Lv.Up)

El Gofre March 15th, 2008 6:47 AM

I disagree with dani's suggestion of focus sash on weavile, there are so many sandstorm teams out there it's not even funny. Keep life orb

BrainDamage March 17th, 2008 2:06 PM

decided to keep blissey, and made a few small changes

still need more suggestions

Dark Azelf March 17th, 2008 2:10 PM

Shove Recover >> grass Knot on starmie. It needs it.


Taunt DD T-Tar kinda rips you a new one =[, a Bulky ground type or something would go along way.

Nice Choice of Vire Btw


Id also like HP Grass>>Hp ice on Vire, sure, you loose coverage against dragons, but you've got like Weavile. and in turn you kill swampert, whilst still keeping coverage against other bulky ground types.



Also, try

[email protected] Band
252 ATT / 216 SPEED / 40 HP
Jolly Nature
- Pursuit
- Night Slash
- ice Shard
- brick break


= win, 40 hp evs allow you to switch directly into an unboosted Azelf flamethrower ant live and it also live a Choice Specs starmies surf =). 216 speed does the same as 216, allowing you to outrun Sceptile, Duggy and Zam.

You WILL NEED ice shard, Scarf Chomp and Dragon Dancers are asses.

BrainDamage March 17th, 2008 3:04 PM

couldnt choice banded brick break OKHO tyranitar? (goes to calculate)

EDIT: yeah. Choice banded brick break from weavile WILL OHKO it

Dark Azelf March 17th, 2008 3:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainDamage (Post 3409970)
couldnt choice banded brick break OKHO tyranitar? (goes to calculate)

EDIT: yeah. Choice banded brick break from weavile WILL OHKO it

How, can Weavile come in on t-tar, youve got stone edge and Earthquake to switch into =/, therefore its not a counter.


Bulky ground types ftw !!! <<get one !!

BrainDamage March 17th, 2008 3:13 PM

obviously not to switch in. Weavile would have to revenge kill. I have absolutely no idea who i would replace for a ground type though, thats the problem

Dark Azelf March 17th, 2008 3:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainDamage (Post 3409991)
obviously not to switch in. Weavile would have to revenge kill. I have absolutely no idea who i would replace for a ground type though, thats the problem

Hippowdon >>> Skarm ??


Maybe, or something.

BrainDamage March 17th, 2008 3:19 PM

but then i wont be able to make as much use of electivires motor drive. Unless i switch in Skar and whirlwind him away, then i'll know when to predict T-Tar, then switch in Weavile the same turn i predict T-Tar to switch in on, then KO it with Brick Break

Dark Azelf March 17th, 2008 3:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainDamage (Post 3409999)
but then i wont be able to make as much use of electivires motor drive. Unless i switch in Skar and whirlwind him away, then i'll know when to predict T-Tar, then switch in Weavile the same turn i predict T-Tar to switch in on, then KO it with Brick Break

Starmie ?


StarmVire or ElectiStar if you get my drift lol. You dont need Skarmory for that lol ;)

BrainDamage March 17th, 2008 3:36 PM

but starmie is more likely to get hit by a dark/bug/ghost attack than an electric attack. being a bolt-beamer, they arent gonna send out a bolt-beamer against another bolt-beamer unless it's electivire, who, at this point is one of the only things im not sure how im gonna kill. and without skar, i dont have spikes, and therefore no true need to dusknoir other than just walling/sponging

EDIT: also, hippowdon's sand stream will end up hurting everyone else on my team

Dark Azelf March 17th, 2008 3:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainDamage (Post 3410023)
but starmie is more likely to get hit by a dark/bug/ghost attack than an electric attack. being a bolt-beamer, they arent gonna send out a bolt-beamer against another bolt-beamer unless it's electivire, who, at this point is one of the only things im not sure how im gonna kill. and without skar, i dont have spikes, and therefore no true need to dusknoir other than just walling/sponging

EDIT: also, hippowdon's sand stream will end up hurting everyone else on my team

Thats generally what you do, send it in on something you know has t-bolt yourself and go to vire, not dark/bug/ghost lol. It could be argued that Skarmory will get hit with a Fire Move rather than a electric move, so it works both ways..


So, Sandstream is a small price to pay for not getting raped by T-Tar. You still have stealth rock on hippow...


or you could just use Scarf Chomp in here somewhere, thats a nice t-tar killer...

BrainDamage March 17th, 2008 3:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3410038)
Thats generally what you do, send it in on something you know has t-bolt yourself and go to vire, not dark/bug/ghost lol. It could be argued that Skarmory will get hit with a Fire Move rather than a electric move, so it works both ways..


So, Sandstream is a small price to pay for not getting raped by T-Tar. You still have stealth rock on hippow...


or you could just use Scarf Chomp in here somewhere, thats a nice t-tar killer...

As much as I love Garchomp, he wouldnt fit anywhere in my team without me taking someone out that which would then give me another weakness to something else. I dont see a huge need for a replacement since T-Tar cant do a whole lot to Skar and even with a DD, i just blow him out as long as he hasnt taunted me yet and take care of him in increments or luckily out completely with Weavile. Plus, a lot of people that that use T-Tar use him as a lead

luke March 17th, 2008 4:04 PM

If it has Taunt, the first thing it will do is Taunt Skarmory. O.O; Unless they're a bad player.

Dark Azelf March 17th, 2008 4:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrainDamage (Post 3410076)
As much as I love Garchomp, he wouldnt fit anywhere in my team without me taking someone out that which would then give me another weakness to something else. I dont see a huge need for a replacement since T-Tar cant do a whole lot to Skar and even with a DD, i just blow him out as long as he hasnt taunted me yet and take care of him in increments or luckily out completely with Weavile. Plus, a lot of people that that use T-Tar use him as a lead

Yeah, CB Tar is usually a lead.

But thing is, alot of DD t-tars pack taunt, if you send skarmory, your pretty much screwed, its going to DD, and theres not much hope after that. You can revenge kill with weavile sure, but thats going to require you sacrificing a poke each time to actually get in....


EDIT : Steel Wing on Skarmory ftw !!! lol

BrainDamage March 17th, 2008 4:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueberry (Post 3410104)
If it has Taunt, the first thing it will do is Taunt Skarmory. O.O; Unless they're a bad player.

obviously, but if im switching in from something, it will most likely have used DD that turn predicting my switch, and if skarmory outruns (i think it would still outrun) that T-Tar and blows it away or it could possibly predict a wall, so therefore taunting whatever comes out. I dont know. Hippowdon could actually work, since Skar's brave bird isnt extremely useful except for machamp and hera, but hippowdon's sandstream could really hurt, especially weavile. I cant decide


steel wing makes me lol. it would take 3 steel wings to KO

Arcknight316 March 17th, 2008 7:17 PM

Anyone up for...HP Fighting on Skarm???? lol jk

Donphan could work. Pack in enough SDEF to survive 2 Ice Beams, and that could work.

BrainDamage March 17th, 2008 7:35 PM

then i could move rapid spin over to donphan leaving a slot open on starmie for grass knot perhaps. I definately need a ground wall over skar cause i found myself up against a metagross and didnt know what to do with myself. :/. And sandstorm does hurt quite a bit. perhaps gliscor too, cept for the 4x ice weak issue.

EDIT: based on testing in shoddy, Hippowdon aint gonna work too well.

EDIT EDIT: also based on shoddy testing, skarmory has been more helpful than either hippowdon or donphan so far, as I've needed brave bird to take out hitmontop and machamp, and the 3x spikes have really helped and made a huge difference


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