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Walrein March 15th, 2008 11:17 AM

Planned team for wifi
 
1) [email protected] Berry
Unburden trait
Bold nature
155 EV defense/100 speed/252 HP
~Calm Mind
~Shadow Ball
~Thunderbolt
~Baton Pass
What a trick! Get it weakened, raise defense, and then double speed to pass quickly.

2) [email protected] Berry
Pure Power trait
Adamant nature
252 EV speed/252 attack/6 HP
~Endure
~Reversal
~Thunderpunch
~Psycho Cut
Thunderpunch hits Gyarados.

3) [email protected] Clay
Forewarn trait
Bold nature
252 EV special attack/155 speed/100 defense
~Reflect
~Light Screen/Focus Blast-help me decide
~Ice Beam
~Psychic
Recives CMs. Light Screen is an added defensive move while Focus Blast destroyes many that would otherwise terrorize Jynx. And yes, it does survive physical hits like this, trust me, I tired this before.

4) [email protected]
Flash Fire trait
Bold nature
252 EV defense/155 speed/100 special attack
~Calm Mind
~Flamethrower
~Will-o-Wisp
~Dark Pulse
I preffered Dark Pulse over Energy Ball because with Energy Ball fellow fires will case it alot of problems. CM+WOW is a great combination.

5) [email protected]
Inner Focus trait
Adamant nature
200 EV attack/200 HP/107 speed
~Dragon Dance
~Outrage
~Earthquake
~Roost
The Main "problem" with this set is that Outgare is so powerful, it causes the same damage as not very effective as a normally effective Aqua Tail. Risky, but worth a shot.

6) [email protected]
Rock
Swift Swim trait
Modest nature
252 EV special attack/252 speed/6 HP
~Rain Dance
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Dragon Pulse
I chose Kingdra becuase I didn't want other electric-weak in my team. Great type combination, and even thought a second dragon, useful.

Dark Azelf March 15th, 2008 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3404482)
Ok, stop with the damn colors! Why would you color it black? To make it harder to rate? When we quote you to rate your team, we know have to go through this whole which is annoying.

Oh wow, i just quoted it.


Sorry, but your gonna have to remove all that.

One thing i can tell you, Endure-Reversal= Fail, Hippowdon,T-Tar, Abomasnow and the 9000000000000 priority moves introduced this gen say hi !


Give Medicham Brick Break or Hi jump Kick if your brave, however, Brick Break is safer, if you miss with that, unlike with HI Jump Kick, you dont stroke yourself. >> Endure and put Ice Punch >> Reversal, Jolly Nature and give it a Choice Scarf.

sims796 March 15th, 2008 1:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorebyss (Post 3404283)
1)[email protected]Ganlon BerryLeftovers/Peyata
Unburden trait
Bold nature
155 EV defense/100 speed/252 HP
~Calm Mind
~Shadow Ball
~Thunderbolt/Substitute
~Baton Pass
What a trick! Get it weakened, raise defense, and then double speed to pass quickly.
First off, I don't think that you can pass Unburden's speed. That said, a (minor) defensive boost shouldn't be your best shot at passing. Rather, focus on passing his enormous Subs around. Peyata Berry actually passes the speed, so it can make a sweeper Jynx.

2)[email protected] Berry
Pure Power trait
Adamant nature
252 EV speed/252 attack/6 HP
~Endure
~Reversal
~Thunderpunch
~Psycho Cut
Thunderpunch hits Gyarados.
As I said before, that endure/Reversal strategy is moot, especially with speed like that. It is ruined by any faster poke, First-hit moves, and especially, Stealth Rock/Spikes. I don't know what airconditioning meant when he said that Arcanine wasn't Spikes/Stealth Rock in the last thread.

3)[email protected]Light Clay
Forewarn trait
Bold nature
252 EV special attack/155 speed/100 defense
~ReflectLovely Kiss
~Focus Blast
~Ice Beam
~Psychic
Recives CMs. Light Screen is an added defensive move while Focus Blast destroyes many that would otherwise terrorize Jynx. And yes, it does survive physical hits like this, trust me, I tired this before.
If you have Calm Mind (& Substitute), you don't need Light Screen. She has better things to do (how did you leave out Lovely Kiss?).

4)[email protected]
Flash Fire trait
Bold nature ????
252 EV defense/155 speed/100 special attack
~Calm Mind
~Flamethrower
~Will-o-Wisp
~Dark Pulse
I preffered Dark Pulse over Energy Ball because with Energy Ball fellow fires will case it alot of problems. CM+WOW is a great combination.
Fellow fires aren't your problem now. How will you deal with Swampert? WoW? If you MUst have it, don't you have Driflim for CM passing?

5) [email protected]
Inner Focus trait
Adamant nature
200 EV attack/200 HP/107 speed
~Dragon Dance
~Outrage
~Earthquake
~Roost
The Main "problem" with this set is that Outgare is so powerful, it causes the same damage as not very effective as a normally effective Aqua Tail. Risky, but worth a shot.
Dunno much on this.

6)[email protected] Rock
Swift Swim trait
Modest nature
252 EV special attack/252 speed/6 HP
~Rain Dance
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~HP [ELECTRIC]
I chose Kingdra becuase I didn't want other electric-weak in my team. Great type combination, and even thought a second dragon, useful.
I don't think Kindgra adds much to your team. Regardless, Rain Dance weakens Ninetails. You don't need Dragon Pulse AND Ice Beam. HP Electric helps with Gya.

Ok, stop with the damn colors! Why would you color it black? To make it harder to rate? When we quote you to rate your team, we now have to go through this whole which is annoying.


EDIT: Sorry, I didn't mean to send the first post. But I was right, why the hell did you COLOR it black? WHat is the purpose? If that's not a collosial waste of time...

airconditioning March 15th, 2008 6:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3404532)
Ok, stop with the damn colors! Why would you color it black? To make it harder to rate? When we quote you to rate your team, we now have to go through this whole which is annoying.

You should do what I do, and copy+paste the entire post- don't bother quoting.

Also, when I said that Arcanine didn't hate Spikes and SR as much, I meant that he isn't completely ruined by them (or at least, Gorebyss' set that was posted in the previous thread wasn't). Endure works no matter what the Poke's HP is, while Focus Sash is ruined by Spikes and SR. Granted, Arcanine still hates any sort of residual damage, but at least his entire set isn't destroyed. Just a small chunk of it.

Anyway, Gorebyss, I'd really recommend using stronger Pokes- higher tier ones. I know the other raters will probably yell at me for this, but many of the Pokes you want to have hard to use, or just not very good. Drifblim can't take hits well, and Ninetails is just plain bad. If you want to learn how to play, you should try to use stronger Pokes.

sims796 March 15th, 2008 6:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3405496)
You should do what I do, and copy+paste the entire post- don't bother quoting.

Also, when I said that Arcanine didn't hate Spikes and SR as much, I meant that he isn't completely ruined by them (or at least, Gorebyss' set that was posted in the previous thread wasn't). Endure works no matter what the Poke's HP is, while Focus Sash is ruined by Spikes and SR. Granted, Arcanine still hates any sort of residual damage, but at least his entire set isn't destroyed. Just a small chunk of it.

Anyway, Gorebyss, I'd really recommend using stronger Pokes- higher tier ones. I know the other raters will probably yell at me for this, but many of the Pokes you want to have hard to use, or just not very good. Drifblim can't take hits well, and Ninetails is just plain bad. If you want to learn how to play, you should try to use stronger Pokes.

I never thought of that, but it's much easier quoting. Well, for me at least.

EXCEPT WHEN THEY COLOR IT FRICK'N BLACK!

Why would you color it black? I really want to know the reasons. Was it to feel unique?

Regardless, there is only so many times you can Endure, and when you are forced to switch (e.g., by a counter) you will be destroyed. By Sandstorm, Spike Rock, etc. Dark Azelf said it all.

Also, there is nothing wrong with his pokes at all. Well, that's a damn lie, but higher tier doesn't equal better playing by a longshot. Ninetails is in no way bad, and Drifblim can make subs higher than 100 HP--and can pass them. Ever faced a CM Drift? I haven't, cause they always pass so dang soon.

I don't see what Kindra adds, he could lose that. But there is no reason to ditch the team for higher pokes.

Although I just realized, he doesn't have a single wall. At all. Of any kind. You should lose Kindra & Ninetails for a Special & Phhysical wall respectivly. Nothing wrong with Tails, but it adds nothing.

luke March 15th, 2008 6:48 PM

If you're new to Wi-Fi, it's usually best to start off with higher tier Pokemon while you're learning. Then move on to BL/UU Pokemon once you're more skilled and adept at Wi-Fi battling. That's what airconditioning means.

airconditioning March 15th, 2008 6:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3405569)
Also, there is nothing wrong with his pokes at all. Well, that's a damn lie, but higher tier doesn't equal better playing by a longshot. Ninetails is in no way bad, and Drifblim can make subs higher than 100 HP--and can pass them. Ever faced a CM Drift? I haven't, cause they always pass so dang soon.

I know, I know. I didn't mean that higher tiers were necessarily better- I meant that they are much more newbie friendly than the UUs. Let's be honest, a new player will have a much easier time using Blissey as a Special Wall than Mantine.

EDIT: Thanks, Blueberry, that's pretty much what I meant.

sims796 March 15th, 2008 6:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3405587)
I know, I know. I didn't mean that higher tiers were necessarily better- I meant that they are much more newbie friendly than the UUs. Let's be honest, a new player will have a much easier time using Blissey as a Special Wall than Mantine.

EDIT: Thanks, Blueberry, that's pretty much what I meant.

Understood. In that case, you are absoulutley right. Until you get used to wifi more, you should stick to more "newbie freindly pokes", until you get used to the game. That's what I did, & now I mix UU with OU, effectively.

I recommend getting your feet wet with Shoody. Take it away, airconditioning.

Seriously, black? I mean, come on.

EDIT:Where did Blueberry come from?

luke March 15th, 2008 7:46 PM

I haunt these forums you see and I appear where I want. Anyway, a more detailed rate:

Drifblim- Yes, the Speed gained from Unburden can be passed. While it may seem crazy, I'd put Hypnosis over Shadow Ball. A Tauntados will come in and screw you over, so Thunderbolt is necessary. I'd run Timid over Bold as well. It needs the Speed to ensure it gets that pass off in case you can't get Unburden to activate. I'd also run Petaya Berry over Ganlon. And those EVs are terrible.

Medicham- Dark_Azelf covered what needs to be said.

Jynx- sims has Vileplume. Iceman has Mamoswine. I have Jynx. And what you've done to my baby is an atrocity. You've made me want to cry. Even Bold and Reflect won't save it from that paltry HP and Defense stat. Run:

Jynx @ Leftovers
Ability: Forewarn
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Speed
Timid Nature

Ice Beam
Lovely Kiss
Substitute
Calm Mind

Also, if you're going to use Jynx in OU, you need to put it in a team that supports it entirely. It has too many common weaknesses to leave exposed.

Ninetales- Never seen it used successfully in OU. It's much like Jynx in that it needs a team to support it in order to survive. Your team is far too frail for Pokemon like Jynx and Ninetales to both be on it.

Dragonite- Dragonite has much better moves in it's pool to use than Aqua Tail. Fire Punch would fit nicely. Those EVs are whack too.

Kingdra- It SO does not need that many Speed EVs. 16 allows it to outrun almost all threats with Rain up.



Nothing on your team can stand up to a SpecsMence Draco Meteor, especially with two Dragon-type Pokemon on your team. You lack any form of wall support.

sims796 March 15th, 2008 8:33 PM

I still say he loses Ninetales & Kingdra entirely for walls. They do nothing at all. Cept weaken one another.

O yeah, it can't regain that Speed, but he can pass it. Could never remember.

This, unfortunatley, needs to be scrapped & redone. I love Jynx as much as the next guy (Mr. Popo from the DBZ franchise offended me, but Jynx always seemed like a Kabuke to me), but she needs Rapid Spin support, I believe, which you do not have.


Finally! Someone realizes I have Vileplume, not Torterra.


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