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Xae March 17th, 2008 12:22 PM

Am I wasting my time?
 
Here's my first competitive team. It's primarily a bunch of beatsticks, but Dusknoir is in there for annoyance. I've just started raising, but I'm having second thoughts. Is there any pokemon that should be replaced? And I'm not using ubers.


Mamoswine (Naughty) Shell Bell
Snow Cloak
EVs: Max attack and HP
-Earthquake
-Ancient Power
-Avalanche
-Hail

Espeon (Rash) Lax Incense
Synchronize
EVs: Max Sp. Att. and speed
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Light Screen
-Hyper beam? - Maybe not, but I don’t know what else to use…

Glaceon (Quiet) Hold-???
Snow Cloak
EVs: Sp. Att. and Sp. Def.
-Hail
-Ice Beam
-Water Pulse
-Hyper Beam/Protect – I’m leaning towards the latter, but I’d like a second opinion

Tyranitar (Brave) Scope Lens
Sand Stream
EVs: Max Attack and Sp. Def.
-Protect
-Brick Break
-Crunch
-Stone Edge

Salamence (Adamant) King's Rock
??? - (I don't know Salamence's ability)
EVs: Max Attack, good Speed and Sp. Att.
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw - Or Dragon Rush, if he learns it
-Flamethrower
-Arial Ace


Dusknoir (Brave) Leftovers
Pressure
EVs: Sp. Def and Defense
-Shadow Sneak/Shadow Punch
-Confuse Ray
-Toxic
-Curse? - I'm worried about the HP cut on this one...

And that's my team. Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

-Xae

Espreon March 17th, 2008 1:17 PM

Hyper Beam and its variants are very bad in competitive battle since it leaves you vulnerable for a turn.

Dark Azelf March 17th, 2008 2:03 PM

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Mamoswine (Adamant Nature) Life Orb
Snow Cloak
EVs: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spe
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-ice Shard
-ice fang


lets use that

Espeon (Rash) Lax Incense
Synchronize
EVs: Max Sp. Att. and speed
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Light Screen
-Hyper beam? - Maybe not, but I don’t know what else to use…


Get a proper special sweeper, espeon is better as a baton passer, and you have nothing to receive Calm Mind boosts.


Glaceon (Quiet) Hold-???
Snow Cloak
EVs: Sp. Att. and Sp. Def.
-Hail
-Ice Beam
-Water Pulse
-Hyper Beam/Protect – I’m leaning towards the latter, but I’d like a second opinion


Dont use that, it dies to Stealth Rock and you have no spinner. Use Vappy, it provides your team with more support.

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188 HP /252 DEF / 70 SP.ATT
Bold Nature
Trait : Water Absorb
- ice Beam
- Surf
- Wish
- protect


Tyranitar (Adamant) Choice Band
Sand Stream
EVs: 252 ATT /196 SPEED / 60 HP
-Earthquake
-Pursuit

-Crunch
-Stone Edge

You already have a dragon dancer, so lets make this choice band

Salamence (Adamant) Leftovers / Life Orb
Intimidate
EVs: 120 HP / 252 ATT / 136 SPEED
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Flamethrower / Fire Blast / Stone Edge
-Earthquake

DD mence.


Dusknoir (Impish) Leftovers
Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 180 DEF / 76 Sp.def
-Shadow Sneak / Fire Punch
-Pain Split
-Thunderpunch
- Will-o-wisp

Eww, that needed alot of help, you need a Gyarados counter, so use t-punch and shadow sneak. Or Fire Punch, seeing as your beaten up badly by heracross.

Right changes are in bold, this need alot of work.


Get a special sweeper, your far too physical, and get a special wall aswell, dusknoir can do all the walling on its own.

Maybe a rapid spinner aswell, Mence hates Stealth Rock...


Also kinda Weavile weak...., a steel type such as metagross would go nice here.

Azonic March 17th, 2008 3:08 PM

Why must you run Sandstorm on such a team like this? The only Pokemon that aren't affected my Sandstorm is Mamoswine and Tyranitar. This team needs a better defense system. A steel type does good on this team.

Xae March 17th, 2008 5:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3409790)
Right changes are in bold, this need alot of work.


Get a special sweeper, your far too physical, and get a special wall aswell, dusknoir can do all the walling on its own.

Maybe a rapid spinner aswell, Mence hates Stealth Rock...


Also kinda Weavile weak...., a steel type such as metagross would go nice here.

Thanks a bunch, I knew it needed some help.

What if I kept Mamoswine slow, maybe Brave nature, and kept on avalanche with some better defense and Sp. Def. Evs? if that's not a good idea, I'll probably just get rid of Mamoswine for a special sweeper like you said, I'm thinking Magnezone for Gyarados.

I'll switch out Espeon for a Metagross, sounds good...

Glaceon for Vaporeon, okay

The other move sets seem fine, too, but I think I might want to keep brick break in my party, though tyranitar does seem a bad choice for it. And as for Dusknoir, if I do go with a Magnezone for a special sweeper, I'd like to stick with an annoyer moveset w/ leftovers, since thunderpunch won't be needed.

I'll take it all into consideration. Thank you!

-Xae

Candymancan March 17th, 2008 6:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xae (Post 3410359)
Thanks a bunch, I knew it needed some help.

What if I kept Mamoswine slow, maybe Brave nature, and kept on avalanche with some better defense and Sp. Def. Evs? if that's not a good idea, I'll probably just get rid of Mamoswine for a special sweeper like you said, I'm thinking Magnezone for Gyarados.

I'll switch out Espeon for a Metagross, sounds good...

Glaceon for Vaporeon, okay

The other move sets seem fine, too, but I think I might want to keep brick break in my party, though tyranitar does seem a bad choice for it. And as for Dusknoir, if I do go with a Magnezone for a special sweeper, I'd like to stick with an annoyer moveset w/ leftovers, since thunderpunch won't be needed.

I'll take it all into consideration. Thank you!

-Xae

A good website to help you with pokemon

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/espeon

Here is what id do.

Keep the duskinor hes a very good defensive pokemon, and since you have none on your team keep him, altho duskinor is better with the egg move painsplit, and his nature needs to be defensive, either carefull which is preferd, or Impish.

His moves should be

Painsplit
Fire Punch or thunderPunch
ShadowSneak
Wilo-Wisp

As for switching Glaceon with vaporeon thats a bad idea IMO if you want a special sweeper i wouldnt go with one thats so slow like vaporeon. I would get a starmie be it timid or Modest, Timid being faster, Modest being more special atk.

Teach Him

Grassnot
Thunderbolt
Icebeam
Surf

Altho you dont have a rapid spinner so i would lose grassnot or icebeam for Rapidspin, but those 4 above are the best choices for a special sweeping starmie it can cover almost any pokemon and its faster then most of them too.

And for Espeon keep it, change its nature to timid

Change its move set to this, it would be really nice combo'd with the starmi, substitute to scout what the oponent is trying to use on, then do a calm mind and if you know Psychic wont cover it, baton pass out to starmie who will most likely be able to kill whoever your fighting specially with the boosted special atk your getting.

Calm Mind
Baton Pass
Substitute
Psychic

If your going to keep mamoswine it needs to be adament with choice band or at least an expert belt or life orb

Peck
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Ice shard


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