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DeadDuck March 18th, 2008 6:08 AM

First wifi team ?
 
Pretty much first team I trought of for 4th gen. Bad/Average/Terrible ? What to improve ?

EDIT:Okay, so that's how it turned out to be in the end. Works really well, until the point where heracross pops up and gains boost on megahorn thanks to Toxic Spikes. It's a really solid team. Bold parts are the final stuff. Monospace for removed ones.

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Physical wall/Sweeper
252 Atk/252 HP/6 Spd
Sassy
Sniper
- Night Slash
- Toxic Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Eathquake Brick Break

Sniper works well with Night slash, and with Earthquake, Drapion gets a nice movepool. Toxic Spikes + Whirlwind does well against Ninjasks, and can additionally poison whole team.

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Special sweeper?
252 SpAtk/140 HP/114 Spd
- Thunder Wave Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Rapid Spin / Ice Beam / Grass knot ?
- Thunderbolt

Good against Skarmories. As Starmie got great speed, why not to use it for paralysing pokes which didn't got poisoned ? Not sure if I should put in Rapid Spin trough.

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Physical sweeper
Jolly
Mold Breaker
252 Spd/ 252 Atk/6Hp
- Sword Dance
- X-scissor
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat

Close Combat + White Herb > Megahorn. Moves covers all type weaknesses, and no 4x weakness, unlike Heracross.
Actually, with time it turned out that it's not the biggest strenght of Pinsir. Majority of people I fought got no idea what mold breaker is. Thanks to Scarf, it's an ultimare Gengar rape. Especially when someone switchs onto EQ. Talk about nasty suprize.

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120 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 136 SPEED
Mild / Rash nature
- Brick break
- Draco meteor
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Dragon Claw / Roost / Crunch

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152 HP / 252 ATT / 104 SPEED
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Meteor Mash
- Explosion
- Earthquake
Somewhat of a wall, but Cress takes physical hits overall better. I know that Explosion is bad move for something like that, but it's actually more relieable way to deal phyiscal damage than Pinsir, which is hit-and-run. And it's SR weakness isn't helping either. Metagross's Meteor Mash is always a powerful hit.

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252 HP / 108 DEF /152 SP.DEF
Bold Nature
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Reflect
- Moonlight / Rest

Partially undestructable.
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Deleted members of the team:


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Tank
Relaxed
Levitate
252 HP/126 Def/126 Atk
- Rock Slide
- Iron Defense
- Earthquake
- Confuse Ray

Confuse Ray is always nice, and switching only help toxic spikes. As it's weak only to fire, earthquake is a must. Besides, it's capable of doing some nice damage as well.


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Mixed Sweeper
Naive
Sand Veil
252 Atk/252 Spd/6 Def
- Drain Punch
- Dark Pulse
- Grass Knot / Mega Drain ?
- Sandstorm

Only thing I wish about this one was more speed. I think it's not possible to enlarge it much more trough.


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Special wall
Careful
252 HP/100 Atk/152 SpDef
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch
- Will-o-wisp
- Shadow Punch

Azonic March 18th, 2008 1:24 PM

Why does Dusknoir not have Shadow Sneak and Pain Split? It needs those, Pain Split rocks for switch ins with full HP. Shadow Sneak kills off Ninjask and faster Pokemon. Scrap Icepunch and Shadow Punch for Shadow Sneak and Pain Split. Was the Bronzong name a typo? Because I laughed XD BronZOMG! XD

FourFourTwo March 18th, 2008 1:28 PM

Bronzong will always lose in speed to a fire type unless it has trick room and its activated. I wouldn't keep him in for a fire switch in, unless you have a death will for him.

DeadDuck March 18th, 2008 1:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clade. (Post 3411679)
Why does Dusknoir not have Shadow Sneak and Pain Split? It needs those, Pain Split rocks for switch ins with full HP. Shadow Sneak kills off Ninjask and faster Pokemon. Scrap Icepunch and Shadow Punch for Shadow Sneak and Pain Split. Was the Bronzong name a typo? Because I laughed XD BronZOMG! XD

I'm going to call mine like that :D

Anyway the only reason why dusknoir got the *punches are for type coverage, as I got no real fire attack (needed for Foretresses and Scizors) and ice (Dragon/FlyingGround pokes). I'd have to give Ice beam to Starmie then, I guess. Or perhaps I should remove Cactrune from the team and replace it with something else, with better type coverage ? (Like Flygon or perhaps Salamence)

luke March 18th, 2008 1:30 PM

I highly suggest you remove Cacturne. I love the scarecrow, but it doesn't really fit in this team.

Dunsparce March 18th, 2008 1:31 PM

I like Cacturne XD

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Adamant/Jolly
6 HP, 252 ATT, 252 SPD
Sucker Punch
Seed Bomb
Swords Dance
Destiny Bond

Standard. Works great, IMO. Not sure if it'd fit in your team, tough, like tohers have said.

Dark Azelf March 18th, 2008 1:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadDuck (Post 3411152)
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Physical wall/Sweeper
252 DEF/252 HP/6 att
impish
Sniper
- Night Slash
- Toxic Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Knock off /brick break

That is a tank

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Special sweeper?
172 HP / 120 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
Trait : natural Cure

- Recover
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Thunderbolt

Much Better, needs more speed or you'll get outrun by gengar and Infernape.


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Physical sweeper
Jolly
Mold Breaker
252 Spd/ 252 Atk/6Hp
- Sword Dance
- X-scissor
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat

So, heracross gets STAB on Megahorn AND Close Combat, this thing doesnt even get megahor or a STAB on CC.W/E, looks fine, please consider Hera >> This



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Tank
Relaxed
Levitate
252 HP/ 108 def / 152 sp.def
- Gyro ball
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Hypnosis / Rest

Good lord


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Mixed Sweeper
Naive
Sand Veil
252 Atk/252 Spd/6 Def
- Drain Punch
- Dark Pulse
- Grass Knot / Mega Drain ?
- Sandstorm



Consider something WAY better than this.



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Special wall
Careful
252 HP/76 def / 180 SP.DEF
- Fire Punch /Thunderpunch / Ice Punch
- Pain Split
- Will-o-wisp
- Shadow Sneak / Fire Punch

Pain Split NOAW !!


Well, all i can say is you are extremely Choice Specs Salamence weak, Zong and Noir arnt going to wall that for long, thats for sure. More reliable sp.wall maybe ?

Scrap Cacturne, its not doing anything for this team.

Change some of the items to.

DeadDuck March 19th, 2008 5:00 AM

Okay, I see. So, what do you think of something like that ?

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Physical wall/Sweeper
252 DEF/252 HP/6 att
impish
Sniper
- Night Slash
- Toxic Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Brick Break

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Special Sweeper
172 HP / 120 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Recover
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Thunderbolt

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Physical sweeper
Jolly
Mold Breaker
252 Spd/ 252 Atk/6Hp
- Sword Dance
- X-scissor
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat

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Tank
Relaxed
Levitate
252 HP/ 108 def / 152 sp.def
- Gyro ball
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Hypnosis

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Sp.Wall
Sassy
Suction Cups
252 HP/ 252 Sp.Def/ 6 Def
- Toxic
- Stone Edge
- Ingrain
- Giga drain

Eh, I can't think of any really good special wall, excluding Blissey, Cresselia and some water pokes. This cradily doesn't seem to be that terrible trough. Perhaps Cresselia could do better, but then Bronzomg would go down, since two psyhic pokes aren't too good idea.

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Mixed Sweeper
Hasty
Intimidate
252 Spd/ 252 Sp.atk/ 6 Atk
- Flamethower
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Dragon Pulse / Draco meteor ?

Edit: Perhaps putting a Cresselia in place of Cradily wouldn't be a bad idea, if Bronzong got replaced with Dusknoir... not sure trough.

Dark Azelf March 19th, 2008 7:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadDuck (Post 3412964)
Okay, I see. So, what do you think of something like that ?

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Physical wall/Sweeper
252 DEF/252 HP/6 att
impish
Sniper
- Night Slash
- Toxic Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Brick Break

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Special Sweeper
172 HP / 120 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Recover
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Thunderbolt

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Physical sweeper
Jolly
Mold Breaker
252 Spd/ 252 Atk/6Hp
- Sword Dance
- X-scissor
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat

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Tank
Relaxed
Levitate
252 HP/ 108 def / 152 sp.def
- Gyro ball
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Hypnosis

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Sp.Wall
Sassy
Suction Cups
252 HP/ 252 Sp.Def/ 6 Def
- Toxic
- Stone Edge
- Ingrain
- Giga drain

Eh, I can't think of any really good special wall, excluding Blissey, Cresselia and some water pokes. This cradily doesn't seem to be that terrible trough. Perhaps Cresselia could do better, but then Bronzomg would go down, since two psyhic pokes aren't too good idea.

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Mixed Sweeper
Hasty
Intimidate
252 Spd/ 252 Sp.atk/ 6 Atk
- Flamethower
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Dragon Pulse / Draco meteor ?

Edit: Perhaps putting a Cresselia in place of Cradily wouldn't be a bad idea, if Bronzong got replaced with Dusknoir... not sure trough.


Cressy, Snorlax, Blissey would be nice...>>> Cradily, Cradily is only good with Sandstorm due to the sp.def boost, otherwise its mediocre.


As for mix mence, try


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120 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 136 SPEED
Mild / Rash nature
- Brick break
- Draco meteor
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Dragon Claw / Roost / Crunch

Wall breaker


Brick break for Blissey and snorlax, 2hko's both.


Draco Meteor is the strongest move on this set, takes out bulky grounds and nearly everything else.

Fire Blast for steels, Celebi, Tangrowth etc....

Last slot is up to you, Dragon Claw is its most reliable move, Roost help with all the residual damage of stealth rock, Sandstream and Hail and Life Orb damage, Crunch helps with Cressy and Duknoir and other bulky psychics and ghosts.

DeadDuck March 19th, 2008 8:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3413058)
Cressy, Snorlax, Blissey would be nice...>>> Cradily, Cradily is only good with Sandstorm due to the sp.def boost, otherwise its mediocre.


As for mix mence, try


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120 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 136 SPEED
Mild / Rash nature
- Brick break
- Draco meteor
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Dragon Claw / Roost / Crunch

Wall breaker


Brick break for Blissey and snorlax, 2hko's both.


Draco Meteor is the strongest move on this set, takes out bulky grounds and nearly everything else.

Fire Blast for steels, Celebi, Tangrowth etc....

Last slot is up to you, Dragon Claw is its most reliable move, Roost help with all the residual damage of stealth rock, Sandstream and Hail and Life Orb damage, Crunch helps with Cressy and Duknoir and other bulky psychics and ghosts.

Yeah, I guess, this means Bronzong is out.

How about this cressy ?

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Calm
Levitate
252HP / 252 SpDef / 6SpAtk
- Calm Mind
- Toxic / Thunder Wave
- Psychic
- Energy Ball

Dark Azelf March 19th, 2008 8:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadDuck (Post 3413086)
Yeah, I guess, this means Bronzong is out.

How about this cressy ?

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Calm
Levitate
252HP / 252 SpDef / 6SpAtk
- Calm Mind
- Toxic
- Psychic
- Energy Ball



Try this.


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252 HP / 108 DEF /152 SP.DEF
Bold Nature
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Reflect
- Moonlight / Rest

Beats up Mixape and dragons for you.

Now you really need a steel type or Weavile just wastes you. >> Cacturne

DeadDuck March 19th, 2008 2:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3413110)
Try this.


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252 HP / 108 DEF /152 SP.DEF
Bold Nature
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Reflect
- Moonlight / Rest

Beats up Mixape and dragons for you.

Now you really need a steel type or Weavile just wastes you. >> Cacturne

This Cresselia seems to be fun to use. About Weavile, I guess Pinsir could okho it with Close Combat. About the spot, I trought a Steelix with Gyro Ball could do well too - Huge physical def should survive Weavile's Brick Breaks. Besides, I could put a Stealth Rock on it.

El Gofre March 19th, 2008 3:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadDuck (Post 3414024)
This Cresselia seems to be fun to use. About Weavile, I guess Pinsir could okho it with Close Combat. About the spot, I trought a Steelix with Gyro Ball could do well too - Huge physical def should survive Weavile's Brick Breaks. Besides, I could put a Stealth Rock on it.

Cant stop for a full rate, but weavile is only gonna outspeed and OHKO pinsir.

Dark Azelf March 19th, 2008 3:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadDuck (Post 3414024)
This Cresselia seems to be fun to use. About Weavile, I guess Pinsir could okho it with Close Combat. About the spot, I trought a Steelix with Gyro Ball could do well too - Huge physical def should survive Weavile's Brick Breaks. Besides, I could put a Stealth Rock on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3414040)
Cant stop for a full rate, but weavile is only gonna outspeed and OHKO pinsir.

I think Metagross would go nice Here, ive been running this as of late

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152 HP / 252 ATT / 104 SPEED
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Meteor Mash
- Thunderpunch
- Earthquake

Lalapizzame March 20th, 2008 8:00 PM

I can't quote your quote Dark Azelf,so....just so you know, Salamence cannot learn Ice Beam.

Cloud_85 March 20th, 2008 9:08 PM

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120 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 136 SPEED
Mild / Rash nature
- Brick break
- Draco meteor
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Dragon Claw / Roost / Crunch

Wall breaker


Brick break for Blissey and snorlax, 2hko's both.


Draco Meteor is the strongest move on this set, takes out bulky grounds and nearly everything else.

Fire Blast for steels, Celebi, Tangrowth etc....

Last slot is up to you, Dragon Claw is its most reliable move, Roost help with all the residual damage of stealth rock, Sandstream and Hail and Life Orb damage, Crunch helps with Cressy and Duknoir and other bulky psychics and ghosts.

Actually he never talked about a Salamence with Ice beam, he talked about a Cresselia with it...

Lalapizzame March 21st, 2008 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud_85 (Post 3417675)
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120 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 136 SPEED
Mild / Rash nature
- Brick break
- Draco meteor
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Dragon Claw / Roost / Crunch

Wall breaker


Brick break for Blissey and snorlax, 2hko's both.


Draco Meteor is the strongest move on this set, takes out bulky grounds and nearly everything else.

Fire Blast for steels, Celebi, Tangrowth etc....

Last slot is up to you, Dragon Claw is its most reliable move, Roost help with all the residual damage of stealth rock, Sandstream and Hail and Life Orb damage, Crunch helps with Cressy and Duknoir and other bulky psychics and ghosts.

Actually he never talked about a Salamence with Ice beam, he talked about a Cresselia with it...

that's strange I saw this piece of text he/she typed:
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Mixed Sweeper
Hasty
Intimidate
252 Spd/ 252 Sp.atk/ 6 Atk
- Flamethower
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Dragon Pulse / Draco meteor ?

If he wasn't talking about Ice Beam then sorry, but I saw this text.
EDIT:It wasn't Dark_Azelf it was DeadDuck

Dark Azelf March 21st, 2008 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lalapizzame (Post 3417536)
I can't quote your quote Dark Azelf,so....just so you know, Salamence cannot learn Ice Beam.

lolwut?


You do realize thats not my post, its his, i just bolded the set cus it was lol


Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadDuck (Post 3412964)
Okay, I see. So, what do you think of something like that ?

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Physical wall/Sweeper
252 DEF/252 HP/6 att
impish
Sniper
- Night Slash
- Toxic Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Brick Break

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Special Sweeper
172 HP / 120 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Recover
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Thunderbolt

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Physical sweeper
Jolly
Mold Breaker
252 Spd/ 252 Atk/6Hp
- Sword Dance
- X-scissor
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat

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Tank
Relaxed
Levitate
252 HP/ 108 def / 152 sp.def
- Gyro ball
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Hypnosis

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Sp.Wall
Sassy
Suction Cups
252 HP/ 252 Sp.Def/ 6 Def
- Toxic
- Stone Edge
- Ingrain
- Giga drain

Eh, I can't think of any really good special wall, excluding Blissey, Cresselia and some water pokes. This cradily doesn't seem to be that terrible trough. Perhaps Cresselia could do better, but then Bronzomg would go down, since two psyhic pokes aren't too good idea.

[email protected] Belt
Mixed Sweeper
Hasty
Intimidate
252 Spd/ 252 Sp.atk/ 6 Atk
- Flamethower
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Dragon Pulse / Draco meteor ?

Edit: Perhaps putting a Cresselia in place of Cradily wouldn't be a bad idea, if Bronzong got replaced with Dusknoir... not sure trough.

As you can see, the last poke........


Edit : Saw your edit >_<

Oxyus March 21st, 2008 1:06 PM

HEY James
 
let's battle!!! (P.S.MY FC is 3780 8270 8379 Name's IAN D.)

Dunsparce March 21st, 2008 1:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-trainer_Ian (Post 3419177)
let's battle!!! (P.S.MY FC is 3780 8270 8379 Name's IAN D.)

PM HIM, DON'T POST IT HERE!!!

Seriously. This is a Rate my team thread, not "lolz I'll randomly ask people to battle me" thread


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