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Pogiforce-14 July 18th, 2004 4:12 PM

My NOT SUCKY team
 
Challenged to put up my team and their moves by Bob V. he think they suck, and I beg to differ. so I'm putting them up for all to see, because i got pride in their skills, and he best remember it.

Blaziken, Lv. 100
Fire Blast
Flamethrower
Brick Break
Sky Uppercut

Sceptile lv. 100
Leaf Blade
Mega Drain
Cut
Dragon Claw

Swampert lv.100
Surf
muddy Water
Earthquake
ice Beam

Manectric lv. 100
return
shockwave
Thunder
Thunderbolt

groudon lv. 100
eruption
earthquake
fireblast
solarbeam

rayquaza lv. 100
fly
Dragon Claw
Ice Beam
Outrage

so please review it. iv'e nothing more to ask or say other than that my pride for my team and my pride as a trainer is on the line.

Super Torchic July 18th, 2004 5:03 PM

I like like it its pretty good!!!Solar beam on groundon is a pretty good move with its well sunny day effect.so good team!!!!

Pogiforce-14 July 18th, 2004 5:49 PM

Thank you! :D Bob V had just said a moment ago that Solar Beam was bad on Groudon. He says there is a whole topic on it, although I have yet to find it. i had told him it was good on him! :D

Frostweaver July 18th, 2004 8:09 PM

Solarbeam is HARD to use on Groudon... usually terrible because it's a sure indicator that...

a) the trainer sucks beyond believe
b) a hard hard fight is about to come


Bob V is right though... for competitive battling, this team goes down FAST. The only way this team can win is by brutal high stats for Groudon and Rayquaza... of course HP Icing Jolts will put greatly scar them for life. Please refer to the advanced trainer's guide to see what common new trainer mistakes this team commits.

Skrin July 19th, 2004 2:18 AM

*Cheers* Go frosty, go!!XD

But if I could make a suggestion....


Pogiforce, Here's what Your Blaziken's move set should look like:

Brick Break
Earthquake
Overheat
Rock Slide

That's my Blaziken's moveset once I cheat for another Overheat TM and transfer him over to FR/LG.XD


And Sceptile's:

Substitute
Focus punch(If he can learn it)
Leaf blade
Dragon Claw

Er, I couldn't think anything besides Sub-punching for this one, and Leaf blade's for STAB, while dragon claw's just filler...


As for Swampert:

Earthquake
Surf
???
???

Er....I had a hard time remembering if he could Sub-punch or not.XD

And Manetric:

Thunderbolt
Quick attack
Roar
Crunch

A good Pseduo hazing QAing Manetric, if I say so myself.XD

And Groudon:

Flamethrower
Earthquake
Bulk up
???

Bulk up's to highten groudon's HUGE attack,while earthquake's there to use it's boost. Flamethrower is just, once again, filler....XD


And Finally, Rayquaza:

Either:

Fly(For STAB and Stall)
Earthquake
Flamethrower
Outrage

OR:

Dragon claw
Flamethrower
Ice beam
Thunderbolt

Rayquza has a HUGE movepool to work from, so you got it easy on him.XD

Well, That's my review, done by the help of Frosty's Advanced Trainer's guide!! Buy now!!XD

Pogiforce-14 July 19th, 2004 5:18 AM

I already told you my blaziken's moves don't have to liek yours to be good. Sceptile can't learn Substitute from what I've played, and I've already used teh FOcus Punch tm, so I can't exactly find out if Sceptile can use it or not. He knows dragon claw because the the biggest problemt I faced was a kingdra. Icebeaming swampert didn't quite work, and Rayquaza was at too much of a risk fighting it, so I put dragon claw on Sceptile. I worked hard to get that tm, seeing as I had already used the other one. Swampert knows muddy water because it's just like surf but it might reduce accuracy at teh same time, mkaing it better than surf. It's the fact that surf is needed for getting around that I keep them both. ice beam is to handle the dragon annoyance that I find in Rayquaza. For the longest time he was a major threat because not enough pokemon knew dragon killing moves. Although I agree that I may have a bit too many electric moves on manectric and taht crunch would work well. The thing is, quick attack is kinda weak. Crunch would work better. And return is rather powerful if used by a loyal pokemon. So the thing I will do, if I can figure out how, is replace shockwave wtih Crunch. Thunder is there for helping to deal with kyogre or any other pokemon during a rain storm. Thunderbolt is a poewrfuil electric attack that makes due while it's not raining. They stay. And I just checked with teh move tutor and I checked my tms. Manectrifc cannot learn crunch.Now groudon. Sorry,but bulk up just won't do. Seeing as he's a legendary, his stats are naturally much higher than any other nonlegendary pokemon and doesn't reallyneed a boost. I don't see the poitn in waisting a space and a turn pumping someone who's already plenty strong. make full use of every turn you have. Fire blast is very powerful and will work well once Groudon's hp gets too low for Explosion to matter much. Solarbeam. Powerful, and immediate thanks to Drought. it stays.

Rayquaza doesn't need any fire moves, since Groudon and BLaziken have that covered. Fly is there for field purproses, not for battle use. Dragonclaw stays and Icebeam stays. I'll consider replacing outrage with thunderbolt, since I've known manectric to be taken down by a Kyogre before he could launch an attack. I am actually training another Manectric with the ability Static to replace it,hopefully with a greater special defense.

I'm not ruling out everything, I'm jsut saying my team is pretty god as it is. I'll go buy a Thunderbolt tm and put it on Rayquaza. Once all th modifications are donw,. I'll repost.

Quote:

Originally Posted by frostweaver
Solarbeam is HARD to use on Groudon... usually terrible because it's a sure indicator that...

a) the trainer sucks beyond believe
b) a hard hard fight is about to come


Bob V is right though... for competitive battling, this team goes down FAST. The only way this team can win is by brutal high stats for Groudon and Rayquaza... of course HP Icing Jolts will put greatly scar them for life. Please refer to the advanced trainer's guide to see what common new trainer mistakes this team commits.

You couldn't be anymore wrong. My team is powerful without Rayquaza and Groudon. I've fought plenty of trainers with high level pokemon. none of which I had to use Rayquaza on or Groudon on. They fell to Sceptile or Blaziken or mostly Swampert. But never Groudon or Rayquaza. I never had to use them. My team has never gone down period, much less fast. And I am not a common, new trainer. teh common new trainer does not ahve a gold trainer card.Solarbeam is easier on Groudon than anyone else, since he has Drought. And this is the way I see a solarbeaming groudon.

A.) Groudon has nearly all teh bases covered thanks to solarbeam.
B.) It's going to be a short fight because they don't really ahve anything he can't handle.
I'll take a look at this so called trainer's guide, but all i expect to see is obvious mistakes no one makes or fake mistakes like the ones you claim I make.

edit: Took a look. Wasn't impressed. Don't need stallers, I take down everything rather fast. when I find a trainer who actually can draw out a battle or has something very strong, then I might stall. But until then, I have no use for them. I've no use for a psuedo hazer because frankly , like I said, I take them down too fast. They don't get a chance to do much to there stats. Everything else I pretty much ahve. Icebeamer, oobers, stabbers, etc. I honestly haven't seen much reason to modify. i win every time now.

Alright, I'm getting tired of people mocking my team and bashing it like it isn't anything to worry about. NOw you make think it ain't taht gret, but until someon actually BEATS it, i have absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe you. And if you think me offensive, then think about how you would be if someone mocked your pride and joy.

this is like my fourth edit. ALright, I really don't want to, but I will do some modifiying on Blaziken. i even looked at the moves you suggested. ( Although Flamthrower will stay regardless.) Brick break is staying, but the other two are open. If you can tell me where to get rock slide i'll give it a try.

Skrin July 19th, 2004 6:22 AM

Err.....Pogiforce, don't you know about the Move tutors in FR/LG and Egg moves??

First off,Sceptile can learn Sunstitute from one, while I can slack off on breeding my blaziken and just tutor him RS!!XD

And second, you'll have to drop your current manetric to get crunch. Breed a Female manetric with a Male Mightyena that knows crunch, and you'll get a baby electrike that knows crunch.

And about quick attack, erm....Frosty will have to explain that.XD Fromt what he says, I'm guessing what he means is that Quick attack, as weak as it is, ALWAYS STRIKES FIRST. So you can attack first with low HP, and you'll win. Of course, extremespeed is better, although is has only five PP.XD

Mana Lugia July 19th, 2004 6:22 AM

Slide is a breeding move or a Move tutor move from FRLG, Sub on Sceptile is a Move tutor move as well.

Regards to your big long speech, I'll let Frosty take care of it, I just woke up and don't feel like debating.

BigBoss July 19th, 2004 6:26 AM

Youre team is fine, but your Blaziken should take out Brickbreak for Overheat; that's what my blaziken has.

Skrin July 19th, 2004 6:27 AM

Well, frosty, I'll take a tiny bit out of your next big post, and post the netbattle link here. Not Mana's, the site.


Here's the netbattle link!!

Pogiforce-14 July 19th, 2004 6:42 AM

trying to do some modifying, but it's not going so easily. Trying to find something to replace Sceptile's Giga Drain. Trying to findsomething to replace Bulk up on Blaziken ( I had addedbulk up and after I ahd entered a secret base battle I realized it wasn't a good idea. I had taken Fire blast off for it.) Trying to get thudnerbolt, take off outrage for it.

To say that my team is bad and no good is wrong, but to say it needs some modifying is right. I'm trying, btu I'm having a money and heartscale shortage.

Skrin July 19th, 2004 6:48 AM

Er.....O_O....

Well, I think I can fill those ??? now.


For swampert:

Rock slide
Endeavor

OR

Protect
Endeavor.

And groudon:

Sunny day(If rayquza's out)
OR
Blehyper beam(Really hyper beam)

Hyper beam sucks,IMO, but it's the only thing I could come up with to replace solarbeam. XD

Pogiforce-14 July 19th, 2004 6:50 AM

Actually, Groudon and Swampert I'm not touching. Everyone else is who I need suggestions for. :\

Scyther July 19th, 2004 6:53 AM

if i was you i wouldnt have all 3 starters on my squad
instead of blaziken u could have torcoal and in stead of swampert have whiscash

BigBoss July 19th, 2004 6:53 AM

you can buy the TM fire blast can't you? that was a really bad choice for Blaziken. my Blaziken is like invincable! I used no Rare Candys on it and I'ts LV 100! here's it's moves:
Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Overheat, Sky Uppercut.
but you probly used rare candys, I only use them for Evolving crappy pokemon. when you use rare candys, it really makes your pokemon weaker. My Blaziken's attack is 324!

Scyther July 19th, 2004 6:54 AM

if u grow a roselia to lvl 100 by hand they can be near invicible (belive me i have one)

BigBoss July 19th, 2004 6:57 AM

yes, training pokemon by hand is the best way to be super powerful.

Pogiforce-14 July 19th, 2004 6:57 AM

A couple, although I don't think that's really Blaziken's problem. his attack is 271, and his special attack is 245. I finished editing rayquaza

Rayquaza lv. 100
Fly
Dragon Claw
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt

Skrin July 19th, 2004 7:27 AM

Er...not to brag, but my blaziken's attack is 309, to be exact....and I didn't even know about EV training back then!!XD

And Syther, you cannot drop a Blaziken. It will hypnotize you, I swear.XD


Actually, blaziken's can be 00ber if Attack EV trained. Trust me, Frosty knows. Right, frosty??XD

Xilion_Sword90 July 19th, 2004 7:59 AM

Quote:

*Cheers* Go frosty, go!!XD

But if I could make a suggestion....


Pogiforce, Here's what Your Blaziken's move set should look like:

Brick Break
Earthquake
Overheat
Rock Slide

That's my Blaziken's moveset once I cheat for another Overheat TM and transfer him over to FR/LG.XD


And Sceptile's:

Substitute
Focus punch(If he can learn it)
Leaf blade
Dragon Claw

Er, I couldn't think anything besides Sub-punching for this one, and Leaf blade's for STAB, while dragon claw's just filler...


As for Swampert:

Earthquake
Surf
???
???

Er....I had a hard time remembering if he could Sub-punch or not.XD

And Manetric:

Thunderbolt
Quick attack
Roar
Crunch

A good Pseduo hazing QAing Manetric, if I say so myself.XD

And Groudon:

Flamethrower
Earthquake
Bulk up
???

Bulk up's to highten groudon's HUGE attack,while earthquake's there to use it's boost. Flamethrower is just, once again, filler....XD


And Finally, Rayquaza:

Either:

Fly(For STAB and Stall)
Earthquake
Flamethrower
Outrage

OR:

Dragon claw
Flamethrower
Ice beam
Thunderbolt

Rayquza has a HUGE movepool to work from, so you got it easy on him.XD

Well, That's my review, done by the help of Frosty's Advanced Trainer's guide!! Buy now!!XD
Blaziken doesn't really need Earthquake. Just Put Bulk Up instead.

Sceptile has a crappy Attack. Even Focus Punch wont do much Damage.

Swampert can Sub-Punch. Try: Focus Punch, Substitute, Curse, Earthquake/Surf/Filler

Magneric MUST have Thunder Wave!!!!!

Groudon is better with Overheat. Ancient Power/HP Rock/Rock Slide as last move.

As for your Rayquaza movesets... Dragon Dance is Good. Dont forget that

Scyther July 19th, 2004 9:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob V
Er...not to brag, but my blaziken's attack is 309, to be exact....and I didn't even know about EV training back then!!XD

And Syther, you cannot drop a Blaziken. It will hypnotize you, I swear.XD


Actually, blaziken's can be 00ber if Attack EV trained. Trust me, Frosty knows. Right, frosty??XD

i think blaziken is overestimated i mean a well trained torcoal can kick the stuffing out of blaziken ( i have already tested my therey)

Pogiforce-14 July 19th, 2004 9:50 AM

That's onlly because torkoal can use ground moves that Blziekn can't that blaziken would be weak to. but because of that, that also makes Torkoal weaker to a alrger vcariety of types adn a resistance to less a variety of types than Blaziken.

To be honest, it's starting to sound more like a matter of opinion rather than what is truly better.

Skrin July 19th, 2004 12:39 PM

But a blaziken can also kick a Torkal in the posterior if trained properly as well.XD

And yeah, this is sounding more like a debate than a rate. Let's wait till frosty comes on, and he'll rate this entire team.

Mana Lugia July 19th, 2004 1:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pogiforce-14
A couple, although I don't think that's really Blaziken's problem. his attack is 271, and his special attack is 245. I finished editing rayquaza

Blaziken's Max Neutral Lv 100 attack: 308-339
Blaziken's Max Neutral Lv 100 Special Attack: 288-319

Assuming 252 EVs in each stat.

The only other EV I can see you adding EVs to at all would be Speed or HP, but...

Mew9 July 19th, 2004 6:06 PM

there is a thread about wat is wrong w/ Solarbeaming Groudon, started by me. i new it shoulda been stickied. look in my profile and find threads started by me. thats the easiest way to find it. ur team ain't that great, and if u think u take everything down too fast, go face Skarmory. ur team ends there. no hope. in game guys can be beaten easily, but other human players would crush u.


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