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ThizzKing March 19th, 2008 6:20 PM

Rate My First Team
 
Keep in mind this is my first team, and I want as much as help please!
Most of the team has not yet been created. Just formulated

Electivire;Adamant @ Expert Belt
252 Atk/252 Spd/6Hp
-Thunder Punch
-Cross Chop
-Earthquake
-Ice Punch

Salamence;Modest Nature @ Choice Specs
252 Sp. Atk/252 Spd/6hp
-Draco Meteor
-Dragon Pulse
-Flamethrow
-Need Another Move

Milotic; Bold @ Leftovers
252 Hp/252 Sp Def/ 6 Def
Mirror Move
??
??
??

Weezing;Impish @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Atk
- Pain Split
- Will-o-Wisp
- Thunderbolt
- Fire Blast

Dusknoir;Hardy @ Leftovers
126 Def/ 126 Sp def/ 252 Hp
-Shadow Sneak
-Payback
-Pain Split
-Will-o-Wisp

I think weezing and dusknoirs moves conflict..im a noob at this lol

I also need a 6th pokemon for the last slot
SUGGESTIONS PLZ!

danoftheworld March 20th, 2008 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThizzKing (Post 3414561)
Electivire;Adamant @ Expert Belt
252 Atk/252 Spd/6Hp
-Thunder Punch
-Cross Chop
-Earthquake
-Ice Punch

10/10

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThizzKing (Post 3414561)
Salamence;Modest Nature @ Choice Specs
252 Sp. Atk/252 Spd/6hp
-Draco Meteor
-Dragon Pulse
-Flamethrow
-Need Another Move

IF I were you, I would think about changing Salemence to Physical rather than special. Salamence has a larger attak than defence. Then think aout using moves like; Fly, dragon claw, crunch, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThizzKing (Post 3414561)
Dusknoir;Hardy @ Leftovers
126 Def/ 126 Sp def/ 252 Hp
-Shadow Sneak
-Payback
-Pain Split
-Will-o-Wisp

You can't do much more than that ;P

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThizzKing (Post 3414561)
Milotic; Bold @ Leftovers
252 Hp/252 Sp Def/ 6 Def
Mirror Move
??
??
??

The move aqua ring is VERY USEFUL! Teach it. If your training it in defence and HP think about defencive moves; safe guard would be usuful.
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An extra pokemon? You need a grass pokemon. Recommended would be Leafeon (Physical) or Roserade (Special). Their moveses would just be physical/special depending on which one you'd choose.
Hope I Helped!
Dan, XD.

umbros March 20th, 2008 10:41 AM

First thing's first:
Change that Weezing's nature. Get a new one, or change its moveset. You picked Impish, which lowers Sp. Atk, and you have TWO special attacks and no physical. That doesn't work out well for you.

Next:
Change your Dusknoir's moveset, but you won't need too much. It's just Payback that's hindering it. Payback may have good strength coming from Dusknoir (at least when it's doubled after taking a hit), but the coverage is wasted to have both a ghost move and a dark move. Trust me on this, I use a lot of both types. You don't need both moves. I'd recommend going with either EQ or an elemental punch (for which you'll just need a heart scale). But Pain Split works really well with it, since it has great defenses but pitiful HP.

The Milotic? Go for Surf, at least. And personally, I like to keep Recover with it, and if you can pull one off after a Mirror Coat, you can possibly scare off another special sweeper later. Easier said than done, but still.

Dark Azelf March 20th, 2008 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danoftheworld (Post 3415787)
10/10


IF I were you, I would think about changing Salemence to Physical rather than special. Salamence has a larger attak than defence. Then think aout using moves like; Fly, dragon claw, crunch, etc.


What relevance has its defense have here, Fly sucks......., also tell me why why is special salamence bad, when it 1/2hko's like 97% the metagame with Draco meteor =/

You can't do much more than that ;P


The move aqua ring is VERY USEFUL! Teach it. If your training it in defence and HP think about defencive moves; safe guard would be usuful.

LOL no its not useful, leftovers does the same thing, Recover is much better.
-
An extra pokemon? You need a grass pokemon. Recommended would be Leafeon (Physical) or Roserade (Special). Their moveses would just be physical/special depending on which one you'd choose.
Hope I Helped!

Dan, XD.

Yeah a grass pokemon would go along way, and it wouldnt hurt his already large Mixed Infernape weakness [/Sarcasm]



Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueberry
1) DON’T RATE WITHOUT PROPER KNOWLEDGE.

This bugs me the most & I put it up first. I am sick of seeing people give horrid advice that defies common sense, just so they can admit “I’m not that good at teams.” If you’re not good, why did you speak? “I was just trying to help.” Trust me, when you give bad advice, you aren’t helping anyone. In fact, you are only hurting the one you are trying to help. Like giving directions. If you don’t know the way, don’t give them directions that would get them lost.

Yet again this apply's in this case, 3 times in 2 days ive had to do this, just because people are too lazy to read >=[

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThizzKing (Post 3414561)

Electivire;Adamant @ Expert Belt
252 Atk/252 Spd/6Hp
-Thunder Punch
-Cross Chop
-Earthquake
-Ice Punch

W/e, however this is the worst set for vire, its easily walled.

Salamence;Modest Nature @ Choice Specs
252 Sp. Atk/252 Spd/6hp
-Draco Meteor
-Dragon Pulse
-Flamethrower
-HYDRO PUMP

Yep ;)

Milotic; Bold @ Leftovers
148 HP / 240 DEF / 120 SP.ATT
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Surf
- Hypnosis


Yeah, or you can go 252 HP / 232 DEF / 24 SP.DEF Rest/Sleep Talk/ice beam/Surf, sup to you.

Weezing;Bold@ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Atk
- Pain Split
- Haze
- Thunderbolt
- Fire Blast

Good

Dusknoir;Careful nature@ Leftovers
252 HP / 76 DEF / 180 SP.DEF
-Shadow Sneak
-Fire Punch / Ice Punch / Brick break
-Pain Split
-Will-o-Wisp

!


Comments in bold

They dont conflict any more....

Right, what we have here is an overkill of tanks and walls, take out Milotic and put in : -

[email protected]
172 HP / 120 SPA.TT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Recover
- Rapid Spin.


This beats up mixed infernape (Whos Grass Knot dominates Milotic)for you and helps salamence with Stealth Rock and the rest of your team with spikes and Toxic Spikes via spinning. You dont particularly need T-Bolt on this, due to weezing being a Gyarados counter.



Id also consider a better sweeper than Vire. Its honestly just, meh.... Something like Heracross, T-Tar, Weavile etc even, seeing as your completely walled by Cresselia.

As for that mence, try this


[email protected] Orb
120 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 136 SPEED
Mild / Rash nature
- Brick break
- Draco meteor
- Roost / Dragon Claw / Crunch
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower

Helps with your <Insert Physical wall> and <Insert Special wall> problem this team has.


Last slot, maybe a Special sweeper ?


just be careful of foe specs mences, Dusknoir gets 2hko'd, You may want a more reliable sp.wall?

Whats more of a problem is that


[email protected] Orb / Leftovers
252 ATT / 252 DEF / 6 HP
Jolly Nature
- Taunt
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Crunch

Completely massacres this team....Bulky ground type needed plesh !

ThizzKing March 20th, 2008 12:53 PM

thanks everyone
wut ev spread and moveset shud for heracross<<<i know nuthing about heracross which will take electivires place as sweeper
....im kinda confused now between the comments
wut pokes shud i take in an replace...i was going 2 use milotic as a special wall, but idk anymore??
ill figure out 6th slot l8er

Anti March 20th, 2008 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThizzKing (Post 3416175)
thanks everyone
wut ev spread and moveset shud for heracross<<<i know nuthing about heracross which will take electivires place as sweeper
....im kinda confused now between the comments
wut pokes shud i take in an replace...i was going 2 use milotic as a special wall, but idk anymore??
ill figure out 6th slot l8er

I'm not trying to be nit picky but can you make your post's grammar be at least somewhat decent? It's very hard to read for old farts like me.

Also Milotic can't get Mirror Move, Mirror Coat it does get though...

Get a special wall for the last slot BTW

Dark Azelf March 20th, 2008 1:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThizzKing (Post 3416175)
thanks everyone
wut ev spread and moveset shud for heracross<<<i know nuthing about heracross which will take electivires place as sweeper
....im kinda confused now between the comments
wut pokes shud i take in an replace...i was going 2 use milotic as a special wall, but idk anymore??
ill figure out 6th slot l8er


Replace dusknoir with a better sp.wall, Blissey, Snorlax, Cresselia etc.


Starmie >> Milotic


[email protected] Scarf
4 HP / 252 ATT / 252 SPEED
Adamant Nature
Trait : Guts
- Megahorn
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Night Slash / Pursuit / Sleep Talk

You can Choice band it but use 104 hp / 252 att / 152 speed.


Last slot, id put in a bulky ground type Swampert seems nice.

ThizzKing March 20th, 2008 1:02 PM

Sorry, when I switch between AIM and PC, I automatically use IM slang.
I still need help with Heracross and what to replace and leave in.

Edit: Alright thanks. And what EV spread should I use for snorlax??
Thanks in advance

Dark Azelf March 20th, 2008 1:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThizzKing (Post 3416215)
Sorry, when I switch between AIM and PC, I automatically use IM slang.
I still need help with Heracross and what to replace and leave in.

heracross set i gave you =/ in my previous post


Starmie >>Milotic

Heracross >> Electivire

Better sp.wall >> Dusknoir

Last slot swampert =)

Or something along those lines.

ThizzKing March 20th, 2008 1:09 PM

Yeah, I put edit if you didn't see :P
I'm going to use Swampert for Sixth slot and Snorlax as Special wall.
Thanks now I just need info for the Snorlax?

Dark Azelf March 20th, 2008 1:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThizzKing (Post 3416235)
Yeah, I put edit if you didn't see :P
I'm going to use Swampert for Sixth slot and Snorlax as Special wall.
Thanks now I just need info for the Snorlax?

[email protected]
168 HP / 120 Def / 220 Sp.D
Careful nature
Trait : Thick Fat
- Curse
- Body Slam
- Crunch
- Rest


OR

[email protected]
244 HP / 28 Def / 236 SpD
Careful nature
Trait : Thick Fat
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Body Slam
~ Crunch






As for swampert



[email protected]
240 HP / 212 DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Relaxed Nature
- Ice Beam
- Surf / Hydro pump
- Roar / Stealth Rock.
- Earthquake

El Gofre March 20th, 2008 1:18 PM

[email protected], that thing lost serious potential in the generation shift.
That second set however, rocks :)
Most of the serious faults have been outlined, but Vire can benefit from T-bolt over T-punch if you plan on using him, otherwise skarmory will wall you entirely.

Anti March 20th, 2008 1:35 PM

Curselax really sucks as a special wall. Average tank, terrible wall...poor Snorlax.

But the resttalk Set is stall-ific...had I used the PP Up tool on shoddy I would have outstalled an Articuno with it...that's how awesome Snorlax is (Resttalk of course)

ThizzKing March 20th, 2008 1:59 PM

Alrite so the team looks like this
[email protected] Orb
120 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 136 SPEED
Mild / Rash nature
- Brick break
- Draco meteor
- Roost / Dragon Claw / Crunch
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower

[email protected] Scarf
4 HP / 252 ATT / 252 SPEED
Adamant Nature
- Megahorn
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Night Slash / Pursuit / Sleep Talk

[email protected]
240 HP / 212 DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Relaxed Nature
- Ice Beam
- Hydro pump
- Roar
- Earthquake

[email protected]s
172 HP / 120 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Recover
- Rapid Spin.

[email protected]
244 HP / 28 Def / 236 SpD
Careful nature
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Body Slam
~ Crunch

when i put all the suggestions together i have 5 spots XD
should i add in one more type of dedicated wall or a mixed sweeper
thanks to all who heped

Dark Azelf March 20th, 2008 2:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThizzKing (Post 3416360)
Alrite so the team looks like this
[email protected] Orb
120 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 136 SPEED
Mild / Rash nature
- Brick break
- Draco meteor
- Roost / Dragon Claw / Crunch
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower

[email protected] Scarf
4 HP / 252 ATT / 252 SPEED
Adamant Nature
- Megahorn
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Night Slash / Pursuit / Sleep Talk

[email protected]
240 HP / 212 DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Relaxed Nature
- Ice Beam
- Hydro pump
- Roar
- Earthquake

[email protected]
172 HP / 120 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Recover
- Rapid Spin.

[email protected]
244 HP / 28 Def / 236 SpD
Careful nature
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Body Slam
~ Crunch

when i put all the suggestions together i have 5 spots XD
should i add in one more type of dedicated wall or a mixed sweeper
thanks to all who heped


WEEZING !!!!



How can you forget that =o

ThizzKing March 20th, 2008 2:18 PM

oh yea thanks lol
im pretty much set then
totally missed that....i feel stupid
but thanks again

Pupil GhostPsychicIceDragon March 20th, 2008 4:50 PM

You may want to add some legendaries<.>Pokemon is what you catch.It always not a matter using any pokemon.

Dark Azelf March 20th, 2008 4:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pupil GhostPsychicIceDragon (Post 3416887)
You may want to add some legendaries<.>Pokemon is what you catch.It always not a matter using any pokemon.

lolwut?


That last part made no sense what so ever, in fact all of it made no sense =/

Also why MUST this team HAVE legendaries, when its already balanced enough ?

umbros March 20th, 2008 5:40 PM

Boo to legendaries. I like this team as is, now that it's all figured out. And it's not like this is going in the Uber tier, so why stuff it with legends?

Anti March 20th, 2008 5:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umbros (Post 3417067)
Boo to legendaries. I like this team as is, now that it's all figured out. And it's not like this is going in the Uber tier, so why stuff it with legends?

Well personally I see nothing wrong with legendaries. I'm going to go on a mini rant which isn't directed at you but I have to say it hehe

I love how people always storm the boards the minute somebody says all legends are ubers and say "Legends are just like normal pokemon!!!!" and then go and limit them/frown upon them. Am I the only person who thinks that it is a pathetic little double standard?

Okay I just needed to give my (always passionate) opinion on the use of legends. Nothing against you, I promise ;)

But yeah, actually intentionally putting legends on a team I would agree is really stupid, so I'd agree in that respect. I mean really, it just doesn't make sense, especially considering that many are just "normal pokemon" by competitive standards.

ThizzKing March 20th, 2008 6:44 PM

I've got the team already planned out.
No Legendaries.
THANKS!


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