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Spiritfire March 22nd, 2008 2:31 PM

Team raised in Diamond/Pearl!
 
Here's the team I raised in Diamond/Pearl without trading any Pokemon... (Images uploaded to Photobucket)



1. INFERNAPE (Razor Claw) | Type = Fire Fighting | Purpose = Physical Sweeper, Fire, Starter Pokemon

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/MWarfare/infernape.jpg
- Flamethrower
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Grass Knot


2. ROSERADE (Miracle Seed) | Type = Grass Poison | Purpose: Special Attacker, Annoyer, Grass

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/MWarfare/roserade.jpg
- Sludge Bomb
- Energy Ball
- Flash
- Stun Spore


3. CROBAT (Poison Barb) | Type = Poison Flying | Purpose: Physical Sweeper, Flyer, Annoyer

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/MWarfare/crobat.jpg
- X Scissor
- Cross Poison
- Fly
- Toxic


4. LUXRAY (Magnet) | Type = Electric Dark | Purpose: Physical Sweeper, Electricity, Annoyer

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/MWarfare/luxray.png
- Thunder Fang
- Thunder Wave
- Ice Fang
- Crunch


5. BRONZONG (Light Clay) | Type = Steel Psychic | Purpose: Suicider, Team Defensive bot Pokemon, Staller

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/MWarfare/bronzong.png
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Explosion
- Flash


6. GARCHOMP (Draco Plate) | Type = Dragon Ground | Purpose: Physical Sweeper, Dragon, Annoyer

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/MWarfare/garchomp.png
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Claw
- Sand attack
- Earthquake


Any comments, ratings, further improvements?

El Gofre March 22nd, 2008 3:08 PM

Is this an in-game or wifi team? I cant tell which you plan on using it in

airconditioning March 22nd, 2008 3:10 PM

It burns my eyes. Hyper Beam? Flash? Palkia? Please tell me this is only in-game, and that you still haven't beaten the Elite Four.

El Gofre March 22nd, 2008 3:11 PM

Thats why i want to know, i have a detailed list of why this fails should it be wifi. The quote "owns ass" intrigues me lol

Spiritfire March 22nd, 2008 3:13 PM

Fine, I removed that comment. I use some of my Pokemon as an annoyer you know. This isn't a Wifi team since I cant trade to get an Alazkazam. Wi-Fi teams are mostly Special/Physical sweepers, right?

El Gofre March 22nd, 2008 3:14 PM

Well thats annother thing to add to the list
So is it in-game or wifi?

Spiritfire March 22nd, 2008 3:15 PM

It's an in-game team. With all the good TM's and Pokemon a person can get in the Sinnoh region, these are Pokemon you can catch early from the start. Crobat and Roserade don't need to be traded.

El Gofre March 22nd, 2008 3:20 PM

Oh well if its in game its gonna own ass, anything owns ass in game. That's hardly an achievement.

airconditioning March 22nd, 2008 3:34 PM

If it's ingame, then we don't need to bother rating it. A level 100 Magikrap can win ingame, so this team is hardly an accomplishment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritfire (Post 3422884)
Wi-Fi teams are mostly Special/Physical sweepers, right?

Nope, not even close. Wi-Fi teams are balanced, with a good selection of offensive and defensive Pokes that cover each other's weaknesses.

Shiny Umbreon March 22nd, 2008 3:35 PM

I'm not sure if in-game teams should go here but team advice go in S&M.

-MOVED-

Spiritfire March 22nd, 2008 3:55 PM

OK, I added why I chose these Pokemon. Just for fun... :D

El Gofre March 22nd, 2008 3:56 PM

A) Lol at hyper beam and Fly. 2 turn moves are epic fail
B)Lol at item choice. Razor claw is hax and items that boost one kind of move are fail
C)Lol at flash being use, it relies on luck and is also hax
D)Lol at the use of ubers, again this is hax
E)Lol at the lack of EVs, natures, walls and pretty much any tactical knowledge

airconditioning March 22nd, 2008 3:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritfire (Post 3423021)
OK, I added why I chose these Pokemon. Just for fun... :D

Like we said, it doesn't make any difference. In-game is way too easy to bother making a real team to combat it, and thus, too easy to bother rating a team to combat it.

Also, everything Gofre said.

Dark Azelf March 22nd, 2008 4:00 PM

Also just to add, id advise reading the stickies at the top, they will help loads.

Spiritfire March 22nd, 2008 4:13 PM

Jeez, lol, fine: I'll look for a team to compete against Wi-Fi tournaments. Anyway, Sweepers are good in single battles. But at least one Annoyer gets the advantage in double battles. I think in single battles the obvious strategy would be to make the annoyer be in the lead, use a single status-effecting move, and then switch out to a sweeper immediately.

airconditioning March 22nd, 2008 4:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritfire (Post 3423072)
Anyway, Sweepers are good in single battles. But at least one Annoyer gets the advantage in double battles. I think in single battles the obvious strategy would be to make the annoyer be in the lead, use a single status-effecting move, and then switch out to a sweeper immediately.

Well... not exactly. First off, nobody plays Double Battles, so I'll steer clear of that topic.

Sweepers are good in single battles. So are walls, tanks, Baton Passers, and everyone else- that's the reason they're used.

As for your strategy... it's not that simple. Statusing on turn one isn't a bad idea, but switching to a sweeper afterwards kind of is. The Poke you status could easily hit your sweeper on the switch, leaving you down one Poke, and at a disadvantage. Anyway, it's more that there a multitude of strategies to use in battles- you have to adjust them based on the situation.

Spiritfire March 22nd, 2008 4:48 PM

I like status-effecting moves such as Stun Spore because it is a win or lose situation for both players. All I have to do is to hope I get lucky and I grab the advantage right away. The move I like throughout Pokemon history was Confuse Ray. Even though it's based on luck, it helps a lot.

I heard there was an item that boosts accuracy for only 1 move like Sheer Cold. What was it again?

Lalapizzame March 22nd, 2008 4:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritfire (Post 3423192)
I like status-effecting moves such as Stun Spore because it is a win or lose situation for both players. All I have to do is to hope I get lucky and I grab the advantage right away. The move I like throughout Pokemon history was Confuse Ray. Even though it's based on luck, it helps a lot.

I heard there was an item that boosts accuracy for only 1 move like Sheer Cold. What was it again?

That would supposedly be Wide Lens.It boosts all the moves in a moveset.Not just 1 move.

airconditioning March 22nd, 2008 4:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritfire (Post 3423192)
I like status-effecting moves such as Stun Spore because it is a win or lose situation for both players. All I have to do is to hope I get lucky and I grab the advantage right away. The move I like throughout Pokemon history was Confuse Ray. Even though it's based on luck, it helps a lot.

I heard there was an item that boosts accuracy for only 1 move like Sheer Cold. What was it again?

I'm not saying status moves are bad- they're awesome, and are almost essential on any team. There's no way I could live without my Will-o-Wisp Dusknoir or my Toxic Blissey. Confuse Ray, however, is too luck-based to really be great. It's nice to stack onto other statuses, though.

And yes, the acc. boosting item is Wide Lens- it raises accuracy of all moves by 10% of the original acc. rate. However, for Sheer Cold, it only changes the 30% hit rate to 33%. In addition, Sheer Cold is a OHKO move, which are banned on Wi-Fi.

Lalapizzame March 22nd, 2008 5:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritfire (Post 3422775)
Here's the team I raised in Diamond/Pearl without trading any Pokemon... (Images uploaded to Photobucket)



1. INFERNAPE (Razor Claw) | Type = Fire Fighting | Purpose = Physical Sweeper, Starter Pokemon

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/MWarfare/infernape.jpg
- Flamethrower
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Hyper Beam
This thing would just epically fail.Why? Hyper Beam is suicide because while it's "recharging" a pokemon could just walk in and kill it with a move like Surf.Razor Claw has no use in Wi-Fi either.


2. ROSERADE (Miracle Seed) | Type = Grass Poison | Purpose: Annoyer, Grass, Pokemon-catching status harasser

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/MWarfare/roserade.jpg
- Sludge Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Flash
- Stun Spore
No.Sludge Bomb has horrible type coverage and Giga Drain is weak and really bad.You should at least get Energy Ball to kill something like Gastrodon.Flash is trash and it misses quite often for me so get something like HP Fire to kill Steel Types.


3. CROBAT (Poison Barb) | Type = Poison Flying | Purpose: Physical Sweeper, Flyer


http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/MWarfare/crobat.jpg
- X Scissor
- Poison Fang
- Fly
- Giga Drain
Poison Fang is no.Give it Cross Poison by using a Heart Scale and give it to the move relearner in Pastoria City and Giga Drain should be replaced by something that's physical.


4. LUXRAY (Magnet) | Type = Electric Dark | Purpose: Phyiscal Sweeper, Electricity

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/MWarfare/luxray.png
- Thunderbolt
- Scary Face
- Return
- Crunch
Return stinks,first of all.Replace it with Ice Fang so you can kill Dragon Types like Garchomp.Scary Face can be replaced with something else like Roar if possible.

5. BRONZONG (Light Clay) | Type = Steel Psychic | Purpose: Suicider, Team Defensive bot Pokemon, Staller

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/MWarfare/bronzong.png
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Explosion
- Flash
This is in need of dire help.Having both screens is unnecessary so take one of them and replace it with Gyro Ball.Flash is again, trash and it could miss and the accuracy loss is sort of luck so it's unreliable.


6. PALKIA (Lustrous Orb) | Type = Water Dragon | Purpose: Legendary, Dragon-killer, Staller

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k166/MWarfare/palkia.jpg
- Spacial Rend
- AncientPower
- Ice Beam
- Surf
How does this thing stall?Ancientpower is eww,and Ice Beam also gets walled by steels.Change those into something like Earth Power at level 60 so it can faint things like steel types and Flamethrower to kill Grass Types.

Any comments, ratings, further improvements?


Oops, this thread should have gone in the other forum...

If you're using this team for Wi-Fi then you need to scrap this whole team and start a new team all over by breeding and making eggs with natures.Ah,and give natures and EVs next time.

Anti March 22nd, 2008 6:00 PM

You know by now I would think he knows this team isn't good :0 Or I would hope so.

You're going to want to trash Palkia, no one is going to battle you with an uber unless you're playing in ubers (and this is obviously not an uber metagame team).

If you want to compete, I would also learn a bit more about the metagame so maybe you know a bit more about team building, that would help you a lot. Annoyers (with a few rare exceptions) are pretty much wastes of moveslots. Also, using stuff like Fly and Hyper Beam will only help in a losing effort.

First off, if you want to use Infernape, one of its better sets is:

Infernape @ Life Orb
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 24 Atk / 232 Spd / 252 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Nasty Plot
- Grass Knot
- Close Combat
- Flamethrower

Mixed Infernape is a really tough cookie. It beats almost all bulky waters and counters to its physical set.

For Roserade, you're going to want a more offense oriented build for something with awesome special attack like that.

Roserade @ Choice Specs
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Sludge Bomb / Energy Ball
- Shadow Ball

EVs probably need some help, but yeah. Specs Roserade's Leaf Storm hurts even more than a SpecsMence Draco Meteor.

Luxray honestly is really bad and doesn't even help this team anyways, so I'd scrap it along with Palkia. As for Bronzong, it can be used so much better.

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Rest / Hypnosis
- Sleep Talk / Stealth Rock

Honestly don't remember my EVs for this, but whatever you do, don't use Smogon's. Bronzong can do a lot of different things, so you can pick and choose.

So yeah.

Lalapizzame March 22nd, 2008 6:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3423406)
You know by now I would think he knows this team isn't good :0 Or I would hope so.

You're going to want to trash Palkia, no one is going to battle you with an uber unless you're playing in ubers (and this is obviously not an uber metagame team).

If you want to compete, I would also learn a bit more about the metagame so maybe you know a bit more about team building, that would help you a lot. Annoyers (with a few rare exceptions) are pretty much wastes of moveslots. Also, using stuff like Fly and Hyper Beam will only help in a losing effort.

First off, if you want to use Infernape, one of its better sets is:

Infernape @ Life Orb
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 24 Atk / 232 Spd / 252 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Nasty Plot
- Grass Knot
- Close Combat
- Flamethrower

Mixed Infernape is a really tough cookie. It beats almost all bulky waters and counters to its physical set.

For Roserade, you're going to want a more offense oriented build for something with awesome special attack like that.

Roserade @ Choice Specs
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Sludge Bomb / Energy Ball
- Shadow Ball

EVs probably need some help, but yeah. Specs Roserade's Leaf Storm hurts even more than a SpecsMence Draco Meteor.

Luxray honestly is really bad and doesn't even help this team anyways, so I'd scrap it along with Palkia. As for Bronzong, it can be used so much better.

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Rest / Hypnosis
- Sleep Talk / Stealth Rock

Honestly don't remember my EVs for this, but whatever you do, don't use Smogon's. Bronzong can do a lot of different things, so you can pick and choose.

So yeah.

I forgot about posting the most common movesets for them.Thank goodness you posted them.MixApe really is a force to be reckoned with though.It could just kill Blissey like it's HP is nothing!Everything else is said by Anti-Pop

Spiritfire March 22nd, 2008 6:16 PM

Suggestions added... lol

I really want to keep Flash, that move helped me catch all the Legendaries with ease. Stun Spore did as well.

For Palkia, I need Ancient Power to kill all the bird Pokemon that may appear, and it might up all his stats as well. Palkia is powerful enough to survive long battles and I was thinking of teaching him Double Team. I will throw him away soon because of Wi-Fi. Stay tuned...

EV training, egg, and nature training will have to do later. I feel like taking some of my favorite Pokemon out of Ruby/Sapphire, Gold/Silver, and Red/Blue/Yellow. That'll be in another thread I suppose.


OK here's the first Pokemon I will place first in battle:

1st... Bronzong - I will have to hope a Pokemon isn't super effective against Bronzong. If not - I will use both Reflect and Light Screen, use a few Flashes, and immediately switch to something that can kill the opposing Pokemon. If my Bronzong is weak against it, then I use Explosion or switch him out (perfect for the strongest Pokemon on the trainer's team).

Anti March 22nd, 2008 6:28 PM

You aren't understanding where we're coming from. WiFi battlers aren't like wild pokemon or CPU trainers.

Hitting things for supereffective damage isn't even that important. For example, Return has 102 base power. On Snorlax, it will have 153 base power due to STAB (Same Type Attack Bonus). There is also Brick Break, which has 75 base power. While it lands a supereffective hit on something like Regice, Return would still do more because even with a doubled base power with Brick Break, it would only be 150 base power compared to Return's 153 base power.

Therefore, using moves like Ancientpower to kill birds us not a good justification of the move's use, especially since STAB Dragon moves from Palkia would hit harder anyways, supereffective or not.

Also, you aren't catching any pokemon battling these trainers, so using moves just to catch pokemon or to transport you places is 100% useless (ubnless it has some use outside of that, such as Surf).

So things like Double Team and Flash should be avoided at all costs.

Lalapizzame March 22nd, 2008 6:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3423474)
You aren't understanding where we're coming from. WiFi battlers aren't like wild pokemon or CPU trainers.

Hitting things for supereffective damage isn't even that important. For example, Return has 102 base power. On Snorlax, it will have 153 base power due to STAB (Same Type Attack Bonus). There is also Brick Break, which has 75 base power. While it lands a supereffective hit on something like Regice, Return would still do more because even with a doubled base power with Brick Break, it would only be 150 base power compared to Return's 153 base power.

Therefore, using moves like Ancientpower to kill birds us not a good justification of the move's use, especially since STAB Dragon moves from Palkia would hit harder anyways, supereffective or not.

Also, you aren't catching any pokemon battling these trainers, so using moves just to catch pokemon or to transport you places is 100% useless (ubnless it has some use outside of that, such as Surf).

So things like Double Team and Flash should be avoided at all costs.

I agree.Wi-Fi is not play time for kids.It's serious.Sometimes hitting things for coverage isn't important but most of the time it is.For example,Ancientpower is sucky and while can kill birds,is inferior to Spacial Rend.Why? 150 Base power versus super effective 60 base power is stronger by 30.(Ancientpower is base 120 when super effective)


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