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ZachxStabyou March 23rd, 2008 9:51 AM

Rate my team!
 
Dragonite(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Inner Focus
EV's: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 HP
Nature: Jolly
-Fire Punch
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance

Gengar(M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 64 HP / 252 S.Atk / 192 Spe
Nature: Modest (+SpA, - Atk)
-Shadow Ball
-Mega Drain
-Psychic
-Thunderbolt
I figured i might as well try megadrain, and if i dont like it i can change it later.

Gliscor(M)@Lefovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EV's: 252 HP / 188 Def / 72 Spd
Nature: Impish (+Def, -SpA)
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Roost

Charizard(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Blaze
EV's: 252 Spd / 252 SpA/ 6 HP
Nature:Timid
-Heat Wave
-Air Slash
-Dragon Pulse
-Focus Blast

Starmie(M)@leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
172 HP / 120 SpA/ 216 Spd
Nature: Timid
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Recover

Snorlax(M)@ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EV's: 252 HP / 28 Def/ 236 SpD
Nature:Careful (+SpD, -SpA)
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Body Slam
http://www.pokecommunity.com/images/templates/foreverstanding/misc/progress.gif -Crunch

Sakura-Katana March 23rd, 2008 11:52 AM

Looks pretty solid to me. Might want to replace Dragonite's Persim Berry with something else, confusion isn't very common.

Arcknight316 March 23rd, 2008 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakura-Katana (Post 3425668)
Looks pretty solid to me. Might want to replace Dragonite's Persim Berry with something else, confusion isn't very common.

How is it solid when there are no true Walls? O_o

ZachxStabyou March 23rd, 2008 12:50 PM

I gave Dragonite the berry for when he uses outrage and becomes confused. And being his speed/attack will be high, it'll be hit faint hit faint hit faint confused(Or thats the plan), eat the berry, and start all over.

Lalapizzame March 23rd, 2008 12:59 PM

Aggron should be removed.Why? Aggron gets slaughtered by Ground and Fighting types.Both are very common types and there's one pokemon which is common that can use both and kill Aggron.It's named,Salamence.So remove that and get some other wall such as Forretress or Skarmory or Donphan.

ZachxStabyou March 23rd, 2008 1:22 PM

Hmmm how about Steelix??

Steelix (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Rock Head
EV's: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 Spd
Nature:Impish (+Def, -SpA)
-Iron Tail
-Earthquake
-Double Edge
-Stone Edge


Hmmm.....

Ambient March 23rd, 2008 1:24 PM

If you're going to have Lapras, Dragonite and Charizard in the same team, you need a spinner, as Lapras and Dragonite take 25% damage from Stealth Rock, and Charizard takes 50%. A few spinners that you could use are Forretress and Starmie.

Aggron is easily taken out by either fighting or ground moves, even with his high defence, so don't use him, use a better Physical Wall such as Donphan, Skarmory etc.

You lack a special wall to soak up special attacks, Blissey is one special wall you could use.

Also, what is Persim berry doing on Dragonite, confusion can be cured by a simple switch, Leftovers/Yache Berry (helps you actually survive an ice attack usually, but not recommend) or Life Orb, and Earthquake and Fire Punch over Aqua Tail and Aerial Ace, Fire and Ground provide better coverage than water and flying.

On Gengar, Choice Scarf over Wise Glasses, Focus Blast over Dark Pulse and Hypnosis over Psychic.

EDIT:

Do you think a pokemon with a Base Defence of 200 needs much Defense investment? I thought not, better set to use from Smogon:

Steelix @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP/120 Atk/136 SpD
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Toxic/Stone Edge
-Explosion

It needs the Special Defense EVs to help it actually take a special hit, as it's Special Defense Base stat is only 65.

Dark Azelf March 23rd, 2008 1:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZachxStabyou (Post 3425315)
Dragonite(M) @ Lum berry/Life Orb/Leftovers
Ability: Inner Focus
EV's: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 HP
Nature: Jolly
-Fire Punch
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance


yeah, Dragon, Ground and Fire hit everything in the game for at least neutral, by this i mean nothing resists the above set.



Gengar(M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 64 HP / 252 S.Atk / 192 Spe
Nature: Modest (+SpA, - Atk)
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis / Hidden power Ice
-Psychic
-Thunderbolt


lolwut ? Dark pulse, has the same coverage as Ghost, so is redundant. Modest with Choice Scarf Plesh otherwise it wants timid.




Aggron(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Rock Head
EV's: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 Spd
Nature:Impish (+Def, -SpA)
-Iron Tail
-Earthquake
-Double Edge
-Iron Defence



FAIL, no honestly, people have already said why its bad, so get a better wall.

Charizard(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Blaze
EV's: 252 Spd / 252 SP.ATT / 6 HP
Nature: Modest /Timid
-Heat Wave
-Air Slash
-Dragon pulse
-Focus Blast


Yeah..., without a Spinner, id advise you ti get a better poke as this dies to stealth rock


Lapras(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Shell Armor
EV's: 126 SpD/ 126 SpA/ 126 HP/ 126 Def / 4 Spd
Nature:Calm (+SpD,-Atk)
-Ice Beam
-Hydro Pump
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic


As does this.....


Gallade(M)@ Leftovers
Ability: Steadfasts
EV's: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spe
Nature:Adamant (+Atk.-SpA)
-Ice Punch
-Psycho Cut
-Close Combat
-Night Slash

Yeah, Ice Punch or your Gliscor food.

Changes are in bold

You need a special wall, id get rid of Lapras, its dead weight for this team. Same with Charizard, and without a Rapid Spinner, you loose your special sweepers very quickly. So add a spinner....

SO things to do

- Better Physical wall >> Aggron NOT STEELIX, that dies to EQ and fighting moves aswell. Something such as Gliscor would be nice and you need a solid fighting resist for namely Breloom and Heracross and it also helps with T-tar to an extent, and with Dragons..

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252 HP / 188 DEF / 72 SPEED
Impish nature
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Roost

- Starmie >> Lapras is what id suggest

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172 HP / 120 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
Trait : Natural Cure
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Recover

Try that.

- Special wall you still need, >> Either Dragonite or Gallade.......

ZachxStabyou March 23rd, 2008 2:38 PM

Dragonite(M) @ Persim Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EV's: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 HP
Nature: Jolly (+Spd, -SpA)
-Fire Punch
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance/Brick Break/Arial Ace

Gengar(M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 64 HP / 252 S.Atk / 192 Spe
Nature: Modest (+SpA, - Atk)
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis/Giga Drain
-Psychic
-Thunderbolt

Im not to sure if im digging the Hypnosis, Which one of the two should i use?


Heracross(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Guts/Swarm
EV's: 252 Atk / 126 Hp / 126 SpD
Nature: Careful (+SpD,-SpA)
-Megahorn
-Close Combat/Brick Break?
-Arial Ace/Earthquke/Stone Edge?
-Night Slash/Shadow Claw?


Charizard(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Blaze
EV's: 252 Spd / 252 SP.ATT / 6 HP
Nature:Timid (+Spd,-Atk)
-Heat Wave
-Air Slash
-Dragon Pulse
-Focus Blast


Starmie(M)@leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
172 HP / 120 SpA/ 216 Spd
Nature: Timid(+Spd,-Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Psychic
- Recover/Ice Beam?

Gallade(M)@ Leftovers
Ability: Steadfasts
EV's: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 SpD
Nature:Adamant (+Atk.-SpA)
-Ice Punch
-Psycho Cut
-Close Combat
-Night Slash



Hmm how about all of those changes?

Dark Azelf March 23rd, 2008 2:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZachxStabyou (Post 3426069)
Dragonite(M) @ Persim Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EV's: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 HP
Nature: Jolly (+Spd, -SpA)
-Fire Punch
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance/Brick Break/Arial Ace

Gengar(M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 64 HP / 252 S.Atk / 192 Spe
Nature: Modest (+SpA, - Atk)
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis/Giga Drain
-Psychic
-Thunderbolt

Im not to sure if im digging the Hypnosis, Which one of the two should i use?


Heracross(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Guts/Swarm
EV's: 252 Atk / 126 Hp / 126 SpD
Nature: Careful (+SpD,-SpA)
-Megahorn
-Close Combat/Brick Break?
-Arial Ace/Earthquke/Stone Edge?
-Night Slash/Shadow Claw?


Charizard(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Blaze
EV's: 252 Spd / 252 SP.ATT / 6 HP
Nature:Timid (+Spd,-Atk)
-Heat Wave
-Air Slash
-Dragon Pulse
-Focus Blast


Starmie(M)@leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
172 HP / 120 SpA/ 216 Spd
Nature: Timid(+Spd,-Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Psychic
- Recover/Ice Beam?

Gallade(M)@ Leftovers
Ability: Steadfasts
EV's: 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 SpD
Nature:Adamant (+Atk.-SpA)
-Ice Punch
-Psycho Cut
-Close Combat
-Night Slash



Hmm how about all of those changes?

it looks better, take out Heracross and put in that Gliscor i gave you. Also take out one of either Dragonite or Gallade and put in a special wall, namely Blissey or Snorlax....


You need walls dude, or you wont last long...

ZachxStabyou March 23rd, 2008 3:22 PM

Dragonite(M) @ Persim Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EV's: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 HP
Nature: Jolly
-Fire Punch
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance

Gengar(M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 64 HP / 252 S.Atk / 192 Spe
Nature: Modest (+SpA, - Atk)
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis
-Psychic
-Thunderbolt
I Figured a Gengar with Mega Drain would be wierd.

Gliscor(M)@Lefovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EV's: 252 HP / 188 Def / 72 Spd
Nature: Impish (+Def, -SpA)
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Roost

Charizard(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Blaze
EV's: 252 Spd / 252 SpA/ 6 HP
Nature:Timid
-Heat Wave
-Air Slash
-Dragon Pulse
-Focus Blast

Starmie(M)@leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
172 HP / 120 SpA/ 216 Spd
Nature: Timid
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Recover

Snorlax(M)@ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EV's: 126 Spd/ 126 Def/ 126 Hp/ 126 Atk/ 4 Spd
Nature:Careful (+SpD, -SpA)
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Body Slam
-Crunch

El Gofre March 23rd, 2008 3:33 PM

Its far easier to edit the original team than post it half way down the page.
Gotta go so just a few points:
*Different item on dragonite please, chances are they will have switched in a counter as soon as you're locked into outrage, so you'll only be switching aswell.
*Those snowlax EVs are Ewwwww, but im no expert on him so ill leave that to someone else
*Yes mega drain gengar would be weird, it would also suck bigtime.
Looks ok at first glance, ill rate fully tomorrow :)

Dark Azelf March 23rd, 2008 3:49 PM

This looks much much better.


Snorlax evs 252 HP / 28 DEF / 236 SP.DEF

Anti March 23rd, 2008 6:06 PM

IMO snorlax runs a 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef spread better. The Def EVs don't really help and the extra SDef...it can come in handy, especially when a sandstorm is active and Nasty Plot Azelf is terrifying you lol

ZachxStabyou March 27th, 2008 11:40 AM

So i reposted the team at the top. Any more changes i should make?

Arcknight316 March 27th, 2008 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3426638)
IMO snorlax runs a 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef spread better. The Def EVs don't really help and the extra SDef...it can come in handy, especially when a sandstorm is active and Nasty Plot Azelf is terrifying you lol

Well, the extra defense doesn't make much of a difference, but neither does the extra SDEF.

BTW, DA, it's not 252 HP, 28 DEF, 236 SDEF, it's 244 HP, 28 DEF, 236 SDEF.

Anti March 27th, 2008 12:51 PM

The extra SDef will make a difference. If is often the difference between a 2HKO and a 3HKO from the likes of Nasty Plot Azelf.

ZachxStabyou March 27th, 2008 2:50 PM

....So i should or shouldnt change anything?

Arcknight316 March 28th, 2008 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZachxStabyou (Post 3439657)
....So i should or shouldnt change anything?

Yes, the Snorlax's EVs. Use 246 HP, 28 DEF, 236 SDEF or a simple 252 HP, 252 SDEF, 6 DEF spread.

dialga493 March 30th, 2008 6:40 AM

Okey. That is a messed up team because you have Dragonite a Dragon/Flying and Charizard a Fire/Flying and Gliscor a Ground/Flying.

So really get rid of two of them. It's fine but it's way off!

Azonic March 30th, 2008 7:24 AM

How are they messed up. They don't really share any common weaknesses, and their's nothing wrong with having three flying types... unless its like Dragonite Salamence and Altaria...

dialga493 March 30th, 2008 7:40 AM

It's Messed up because personaly you really shouldn't have too many of the same type.
Yeah sure if they have a combo it might help but still having over two of the same is too much.

RenzokukenofCerberus March 30th, 2008 7:46 AM

Plus Dragonite and Gliscor both share the Ice weakness of 4x effective.

So it really isn't all that good. Especially since Ice is also Normal effective against Charizard.

So 1 good Ice Pokemon and half the team is totaled.

Dark Azelf March 30th, 2008 7:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RenzokukenofCerberus (Post 3450036)
Plus Dragonite and Gliscor both share the Ice weakness of 4x effective.

So it really isn't all that good. Especially since Ice is also Normal effective against Charizard.

So 1 good Ice Pokemon and half the team is totaled.

And he has a Thick Fat snorlax and a Starmie =/

SmallBait March 30th, 2008 8:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZachxStabyou (Post 3425315)
Dragonite(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Inner Focus
EV's: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 HP
Nature: Jolly
-Flamethrower/Fire Blast
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance

Yea.... i'll take it, although you should change the nature.

Gengar(M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 64 HP / 252 S.Atk / 192 Spe
Nature: Modest (+SpA, - Atk)
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis
-Psychic
-Thunderbolt
I figured i might as well try megadrain, and if i dont like it i can change it later.

DO NOT USE MEGA DRAIN!! Gengar does not deserve to know mega drain.
Gliscor(M)@Lefovers
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EV's: 252 HP / 188 Def / 72 Spd
Nature: Impish (+Def, -SpA)
- Ice Fang
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Roost

Nothing really to say here, i guess it's pretty good.
Charizard(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Blaze
EV's: 252 Spd / 252 SpA/ 6 HP
Nature:Timid
-Flamethrower
-Air Slash
-Dragon Pulse
-Earthquake

I personally think that flamethrower is better than heat wave, so change that, and focus blast is a no no, just teach it earthquake.

Starmie(M)@leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
6 hp/ 252 spA/ 252 spd
Nature: Timid
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Recover

Pretty nice, rapid spin to knock out rocks and spikes, and all.
Snorlax(M)@ A Status Healing Berry (Lum Berry etc.)
Ability: Thick Fat
EV's: 252 HP / 252 def
Nature:Careful (+SpD, -SpA)
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Body Slam
http://www.pokecommunity.com/images/templates/foreverstanding/misc/progress.gif -Crunch

It's alright, but the nature should be changed, because snorlax doesn't need SpD. Get one to add def and take away SpD or something.

So pretty nice party! However, you should have a pokemon that knows the move wish, so then starmie can get double healing, or any of your pokemon can get healing.


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