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Extric March 23rd, 2008 1:38 PM

RMT - I've Returned to PC!
 
Hello to everyone. Most of you might not remember me, but I used to be real active on this forum until I got addicted to my PS3. I'm now getting back into competitve Pokémon battles and have just finished a team blueprint. I really would like some feedback and I want all of the help you can give as I wish to take this team to the big leagues of GameBattles. Note that none of these Pokémon have become eggs and I have not EV trained them so this means I can take each smart suggestion into consideration. Now onto the team:


http://pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa461.png
Weavile @ Choice Band
Pressure / Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 ATK / 216 SPD / 40 HP
- Ice Shard
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
- Pursuit

CBWeavile whose main focus is Revenge Killing, but I did have one that could totally destroy a team.

http://pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa373.png
Salamence @ Leftovers
Intimidate / Bold Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 220 DEF / 36 SPD
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower
- Toxic
- Roost

BulkyMence posted by Azelf. Currently thinking about thrid slot support move.

http://pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa392.png
Infernape @ Life Orb
Blaze / Naïve Nature
EVs: 252 Sp. ATK / 232 SPD / 24 ATK
- Nasty Plot
- Flamethrower
- Close Combat
- Grass Knot

MixedApe. Not new to me so I don't really need any help with him.

http://pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa121.png
Starmie @ Leftovers
Natural Cure / Timid Nature
EVs: 216 SPD / 172 HP / 120 Sp. ATK
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Thunderbolt
- Surf

Boltbeaming Starmie. Used to be Spinning until Forry came into the party.

http://pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa205.png
Forretress @ Leftovers
Sturdy / Relaxed Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 162 ATK / 96 DEF
- Rapid Spin
- Gyro Ball
- Spikes
- Rest

My defensive wall and rapid spinner. Rest > Explosion because for one he's my physical wall and two I get Aromatherapy support from Blissey.

http://pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpffa/dpffa242.png
Blissey @ Leftovers
Natural Cure / Calm Nature
EVs: 252 DEF / 216 Sp. DEF / 40 HP
- Aromatherapy
- Thunder Wave
- Softboiled
- Seismic Toss

I found this set a couple of days ago. I enjoyed the news that this Blissey can handle any Sp.ATK with ease without it takeing a lot away from HP and DEF. I've had thoughts of Replacing TWave with Ice Beam just so I have another offensive move.

Also, I have a feeling that I have a major weakness to something or somethings, but I can't put my finger on it. Any help on replacements would be nice.

Anti March 23rd, 2008 5:49 PM

Um...this team kind of doesn't have a physical wall :0 Bronzong can't really handle most physical threats...Heracross, Infernape, Garchomp, etc.

Dark Azelf March 23rd, 2008 6:06 PM

Lawl, this is incredibly similar to my old team. Except i run Roar/Hp Ice/T-Bolt/Roost Bold defensive Zapdos >> Weavile to deal with Breloom and Heracross and DD mence or Jolly no guard Machamp >>Specs mence.


That zong is awesome try SR/Gyro ball/EQ/Rest << Works like a charm

Looks really nice though, however watch out for those Flamethrower/Cross Chop/HP Ice/Thunderbolt E-Vires.

Anti March 23rd, 2008 6:11 PM

I would disagree it looks nice since nothing can switch in to a number of threats. Garchomp is one as well as Salamence (non specs). Heracross is also a big pain and Gallade and Medicham are even more annoying. Mixed Vire is a pain, as is physical Infernape. Dragonite and Tyranitar also can cause havoc.

With all of those weaknesses, I'm not ready to call this team solid just yet.

Extric March 25th, 2008 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3426584)
Um...this team kind of doesn't have a physical wall :0 Bronzong can't really handle most physical threats...Heracross, Infernape, Garchomp, etc.

Can't belive I forgot a physical wall. Bronzong was in the team because I thought I had a filler space so I thought he could be useful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3426659)
I would disagree it looks nice since nothing can switch in to a number of threats. Garchomp is one as well as Salamence (non specs). Heracross is also a big pain and Gallade and Medicham are even more annoying. Mixed Vire is a pain, as is physical Infernape. Dragonite and Tyranitar also can cause havoc.

With all of those weaknesses, I'm not ready to call this team solid just yet.

Looks like I'm more rusty that I thought. It's a good thing I came here before doing anything with the team. I would probally have an easier time if you would provide some Pokémon that could fix all of these weaknesses instead of telling me what they are. I haven't rated a team in a long time, but I do know a bad rater is one who doesn't offer a solution. The physical wall comment in your first post was helpful, but just telling me what I'm weak to with no help to the problem just waste my time with an unhelpful post.

If I could get some suggestions on a good physical wall that would be helpful. I want to stand clear of Skarmory if I can help it because it's become way to common and everyone has at least one Pokémon on their team that can knock it out.

Sora_8920 March 25th, 2008 1:33 PM

I'd run Ice Shard for the priority move on CBVile.


You really shouldn't be that worried about HP Fire Magnezone, as it can't really harm Bronzong that much, unlike Skarmory, and it also carries EQ.

Nobody really keeps Weavile in on Heracross and others, so Night Slash > AA..

Consider Weeing / Gliscor over Brozong, as this team is pretty Hera weak. CC can do a lot since Bronzong takes nuetral damage from it. Speaking of Hera, Scarf one can outspeed Weavile, no matter how Choice Scarf Heracross sucks.

EDIT: Welcome back, btw.

Dark Azelf March 25th, 2008 1:39 PM

I agree with the Ice Shard thing, a OHKO on Garchomp, especially those Scarf chomp and dragon dancers will leave you thankful for it.


Sadly Magnet rise and sub on Magnezone screws over zong, i Shed Shell mine and it works ok with rest.

Extric March 31st, 2008 12:49 PM

Okay, I've been looking at physical walls for a little while and I'm going to run with Itachi's suggestion and go with Gliscor. He's one of my favorite tanks so I'm sure I can run him well. Move set is going to look like:

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Sand Viel / Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATK
- Roost
- Aerial Ace
- Taunt / Stealth Rock
- Earthquake

Still debating on the third slot. I think Taunt is going to win this battle, but I would still like a thought on what might be the better choice. Since I'm trading Bronzong with Gliscor I'll lose my SR move, but I have a feeling that it's not something that will help me too much. Taunts a good choice for stopping Skarmory from laying down any unwanted Spikes on my side.

Also, for my Weavile. It's going to be Ice Shard > Ice Punch and Night Slash > AA.

Anti March 31st, 2008 1:09 PM

Stealth Rock is far superior. Taunt...I'm no fan of it. Still, that's a "personal preference" deal.

Also Scarf Cross doesn't suck, it's just grossly inferior to its other sets.

and I too agree with Itachi and Azelf, Ice shard would be excellent (I see you've made that change). AA isn't needed anyways, so it's nothing huge to worry about ;)

also, I would say Weavile is a better lead than SpecsMence.

Extric April 1st, 2008 9:29 AM

I think I've run into a new problem. I may be wrong, but do I look Wevile weak to anyone else? I really don't think Gliscor is going to be able to take a hit from him with his x4 ice weakness. The only way I can think of countering him is replacing someone with Bulkydos.

Dark Azelf April 1st, 2008 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Rextron (Post 3456696)
I think I've run into a new problem. I may be wrong, but do I look Wevile weak to anyone else? I really don't think Gliscor is going to be able to take a hit from him with his x4 ice weakness. The only way I can think of countering him is replacing someone with Bulkydos.

BulkyDos would be fine, although you could fit in a random Steel such as Metagross, Scizor, Bronzong, Forry, Jirachi etc. They help loads with Weavile.

Sora_8920 April 1st, 2008 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3456797)
BulkyDos would be fine, although you could fit in a random Steel such as Metagross, Scizor, Bronzong, Forry, Jirachi etc. They help loads with Weavile.

Forry is the best, since nothing hits him for SE damage, and Fortress just laughs at Weavile, and says, "Have a taste of my Gyro Ball, Weavile. Mwahaahaha!"

Faceless* April 1st, 2008 12:02 PM

Hey now.. Garchomp can easily survive an Ice Shard considering it's incredible bulk, All it needs are a few HP EV's

Lack of Physical Wall, yep there's your problem =) Try something like.. Forretress and remove Rapid Spin on Starmie

Sora_8920 April 1st, 2008 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nameless* (Post 3457135)
Hey now.. Garchomp can easily survive an Ice Shard considering it's incredible bulk, All it needs are a few HP EV's

Lack of Physical Wall, yep there's your problem =) Try something like.. Forretress and remove Rapid Spin on Starmie

Yep. And I'm pretty sure he knows what to put over Rapid Spin... IB. Also laughs at Garchomp switching in, and says, "You're hungry for SD? Eat this, you shark!"

Dark Azelf April 1st, 2008 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nameless* (Post 3457135)
Hey now.. Garchomp can easily survive an Ice Shard considering it's incredible bulk, All it needs are a few HP EV's

Lack of Physical Wall, yep there's your problem =) Try something like.. Forretress and remove Rapid Spin on Starmie

Choice Band Ice Shard ohko's 16 HP / 0 DEF Garchomp, and is especially nice for Dragon Dancers and most importantly, Scarf Chomp.

Extric April 1st, 2008 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nameless* (Post 3457135)
Hey now.. Garchomp can easily survive an Ice Shard considering it's incredible bulk, All it needs are a few HP EV's

Lack of Physical Wall, yep there's your problem =) Try something like.. Forretress and remove Rapid Spin on Starmie

Lack of physical wall? We fixed that problem by replacing Bronzong with Gliscor.

I don't mind running Forry since he's one of my favorites also. Are we suggesting that I run him over Gliscor though?

Sora_8920 April 1st, 2008 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Rextron (Post 3457172)
Lack of physical wall? We fixed that problem by replacing Bronzong with Gliscor.

I don't mind running Forry since he's one of my favorites also. Are we suggesting that I run him over Gliscor though?

Well, your team is pretty Hera Weak.

Salamence works well for non-Stone Edge variants, with Intimidate, it Isn't a OHKO, though.

Extric April 1st, 2008 12:17 PM

Yeah, that's why we add Gliscor to take care of Hera. I've probally run my self into a hole now.

Sora_8920 April 1st, 2008 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Rextron (Post 3457194)
Yeah, that's why we add Gliscor to take care of Hera. I've probally run my self into a hole now.

I'm pretty confused about this myself, so you're not only the only one.

You could always try to switch Ape in on Ice Shard, it will be stuck, and then CC it. But most of the time, you'll just have to catch it on the switch with a CC, though.

Dark Azelf April 1st, 2008 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Rextron (Post 3457194)
Yeah, that's why we add Gliscor to take care of Hera. I've probally run my self into a hole now.

Hmm try Bulky mence



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252 HP / 220 DEF / 36 SPEED
Bold nature
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower / Toxic
- Toxic / Wish
- Roost

This takes hits like a pro, if you dont believe me, look at the underlined damage calcs.


Quote:

252 Atk Adamant Choice Band Heracross Stone Edge: 50.76-59.9%

252 Atk Adamant Choice Band Mamoswine Ice Shard: 61.93-74.11%

252 Atk Adamant Choice Scarf Garchomp Outrage: 62.44- 73.6%

252 Atk Adamant Life Orb Dragon Dance Gyarados Ice Fang: 86.29-101.52% (93.4% on average, 92.31% chance to survive)

252 Atk Adamant Choice Band Tyranitar Stone Edge: 79.7-94.42%

252 Atk Adamant Life Orb Swords Dance Lucario Stone Edge: 89.85-106.09% (97.46% on average, 66.7% chance to survive)

252 Atk Adamant Life Orb Medicham (Pure Power) Ice Punch: 83.25-98.48%

252 Atk Adamant Choice Band Heracross Close Combat: 22.59-26.65%

252 Atk Adamant Life Orb Dragon Dance Gyarados Return: 33.5-39.59%

252 Atk Adamant Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch: 31.98-37.56%

252 Atk Adamant Leftovers Metagross Meteor Mash: 40.36-47.46%

252 Atk Adamant Choice Band Staraptor Brave Bird: 44.16-52.03%

After intimidate btw, as its assumed your switching into these.

= the sex. 36 speed outspeeds the same Heracross, and Jolly T-Tar, Jirachi and Celebi =)

This may come of some use for you.

Extric April 1st, 2008 12:44 PM

BulkyMence looks good. I could put Weavile in the lead like Anti-Pop suggested and trade the two mences. Thanks for the set Azelf. :D

Sora_8920 April 1st, 2008 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3457284)
Hmm try Bulky mence



[email protected]
252 HP / 220 DEF / 36 SPEED
Bold nature
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower / Toxic
- Toxic / Wish
- Roost

This takes hits like a pro, if you dont believe me, look at the underlined damage calcs.



After intimidate btw, as its assumed your switching into these.

= the sex. 36 speed outspeeds the same Heracross, and Jolly T-Tar, Jirachi and Celebi =)

This may come of some use for you.

Yes, thanks for the set, DA. But where did you get the set?

Dark Azelf April 1st, 2008 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3457349)
Yes, thanks for the set, DA. But where did you get the set?

A thread on smogon, Ill pm you the link, ive been using it on shoddy and it really is great, especially since Heracross counters and things that can actually switch into heracross and not die are few and far between this gen. Especially CB versions..

Extric April 1st, 2008 1:50 PM

With the BulkyMence, does that mean I can now switch Gliscor for Forry?

Sora_8920 April 1st, 2008 1:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Rextron (Post 3457557)
With the BulkyMence, does that mean I can now switch Gliscor for Forry?

Pretty much sums it up, yeah.


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