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DavyJones4our March 26th, 2008 3:26 AM

So, have they ever said who Ash's father is?
 
Because until I get an answer from the Anime or movies, I'm still sticking with the theory that it's Giovanni.

Revendusman March 26th, 2008 3:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3434809)
Because until I get an answer from the Anime or movies, I'm still sticking with the theory that it's Giovanni.

I don't think people i nthe pokemon world have fathers, becasue they don't have sex, other then the pokemon and with other pokemon.

roger009 March 26th, 2008 3:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Revendusman (Post 3434829)
I don't think people i nthe pokemon world have fathers, becasue they don't have sex, other then the pokemon and with other pokemon.

Hey buddy, u given here very interesting answer.

Revendusman March 26th, 2008 3:48 AM

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Originally Posted by roger009 (Post 3434863)
Hey buddy, u given here very interesting answer.

The TRUE answer. Not paticualrly interesting though.

DavyJones4our March 26th, 2008 3:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Revendusman (Post 3434829)
I don't think people i nthe pokemon world have fathers, becasue they don't have sex, other then the pokemon and with other pokemon.

What about Norman? Wasn't he May and Max's father?

And Prof. Oak is Gary's grandfather. And Brock's dad was on the show (though not his mom...hmm..........).

Either way I think Delilah (Ash's mom) got drunk at a bar, Giovanni being the sly-cat that he is, charmed her with suave words, went back to her place, went crazy like wild Lopunnys and left without ever giving her any way to communicate back and collect child support.

Giovanni, you're an inspiration to us all!

:t306: That smiley is so awesome...

Terri March 26th, 2008 4:19 AM

what makes u say giovanni? i remember when Ash first arrived at viridian city Deliah said something about how it took four days to get there, my theory is that Ash's dad is either gone, or the champion of the pokemon world or something to that effect

DavyJones4our March 26th, 2008 4:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Terri (Post 3434974)
what makes u say giovanni? i remember when Ash first arrived at viridian city Deliah said something about how it took four days to get there, my theory is that Ash's dad is either gone, or the champion of the pokemon world or something to that effect

I don't know exactly, I've just had a gut feeling for many years. It seemed right in the Kanto series. Main good guy, Ash, and it just so happens that the main bad guy, Giovanni, are Father and Son, and yet, neither know this fact.

It just seems like it would make sense. Many other people feel that the "Giovanni being the father" is a likely theory as well. Like I said, it just makes sense to me.

Terri March 26th, 2008 4:28 AM

well i guess it could make sense, but still you'd think they'd've said something about where Ash's dad is right now. Maybe they'll say something in the last ever season of pokemon (not likely to come for decades) and make it someone dramatic, so giovanni could be Ash's dad i suppose

Skaterzpenguin March 26th, 2008 9:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3434894)
What about Norman? Wasn't he May and Max's father?

And Prof. Oak is Gary's grandfather. And Brock's dad was on the show (though not his mom...hmm..........).

Either way I think Delilah (Ash's mom) got drunk at a bar, Giovanni being the sly-cat that he is, charmed her with suave words, went back to her place, went crazy like wild Lopunnys and left without ever giving her any way to communicate back and collect child support.

Giovanni, you're an inspiration to us all!

:t306: That smiley is so awesome...

Brocks mom was already on the shows.

Miniduffa March 26th, 2008 11:04 AM

I reckon it's Professor Oak, you rarely see Ash's Mum without Oak.

weedle_mchairybug March 26th, 2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3434996)
I don't know exactly, I've just had a gut feeling for many years. It seemed right in the Kanto series. Main good guy, Ash, and it just so happens that the main bad guy, Giovanni, are Father and Son, and yet, neither know this fact.

It just seems like it would make sense. Many other people feel that the "Giovanni being the father" is a likely theory as well. Like I said, it just makes sense to me.


Well, DavyJones4our, it's ultimately your opinion. but, I just want to say that I don't think that they have confirmed that Giovanni is Ash's father. If anything, considering how Mewtwo Returns had Ash and Giovanni not even recognizing each other, I think the writers confirmed that Giovanni ISN'T Ash's father. I mean, even IF Giovanni did impregnate Delia without knowing it, I think he would have had SOME recognition of Ash.

I mean, Darth Vader (at least, before the prequel trilogy, it most likely was retconned by the time episode III was made, like all of the other things in the original were) didn't seem to know that his wife was pregnant (Obi wan said something along the lines of "When your father left, he didn't know that your Mother was pregnant with twins" in "Return of the Jedi"), and yet, he seemed to recognize Luke Skywalker as his son despite that. If Darth Vader could do that, then Giovanni could most CERTAINLY do that as well.

Also, it can't be Professor Oak, either, since, if it was him, then Gary Oak would be Ash's nephew, and there's no way that they could be uncle and nephew since they are of the same age.

Also, in case anyone mentions Silver, I just want to mention that he most likely recognized Ash from watching a Pokemon League broadcast (Hey, Max was able to recognize Ash from the Pokemon League, and he was 2 years younger than him (4-5 years younger for those of you who insist that he has Aged.)

I'd say that it is some random trainer. Also, he might just make an appearance. Time length doesn't eliminate the possibility of him arriving. Remember, Brock's Mom appeared 5 years after her first mention (9 years if you don't want to count "A family that Battles together, stays together." as an actual episode.), so if they could give Brock's Mom an appearance after so many seasons, they can most CERTAINLY give Ash's father an appearance on the show. Plus, didn't a PUSA representative once mention that Ash's father will appear in the D/P series in one convention?

PokeGod March 26th, 2008 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3434894)
What about Norman? Wasn't he May and Max's father?

And Prof. Oak is Gary's grandfather. And Brock's dad was on the show (though not his mom...hmm..........).

Either way I think Delilah (Ash's mom) got drunk at a bar, Giovanni being the sly-cat that he is, charmed her with suave words, went back to her place, went crazy like wild Lopunnys and left without ever giving her any way to communicate back and collect child support.

Giovanni, you're an inspiration to us all!

:t306: That smiley is so awesome...

If you watched the Pokemon Chronicles Serires, brocks mom was on there, i dont know about ash's farther

DavyJones4our March 26th, 2008 2:52 PM

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Well, DavyJones4our, it's ultimately your opinion. but, I just want to say that I don't think that they have confirmed that Giovanni is Ash's father. If anything, considering how Mewtwo Returns had Ash and Giovanni not even recognizing each other, I think the writers confirmed that Giovanni ISN'T Ash's father. I mean, even IF Giovanni did impregnate Delia without knowing it, I think he would have had SOME recognition of Ash.

I mean, Darth Vader (at least, before the prequel trilogy, it most likely was retconned by the time episode III was made, like all of the other things in the original were) didn't seem to know that his wife was pregnant (Obi wan said something along the lines of "When your father left, he didn't know that your Mother was pregnant with twins" in "Return of the Jedi"), and yet, he seemed to recognize Luke Skywalker as his son despite that. If Darth Vader could do that, then Giovanni could most CERTAINLY do that as well.

Also, it can't be Professor Oak, either, since, if it was him, then Gary Oak would be Ash's nephew, and there's no way that they could be uncle and nephew since they are of the same age.

Also, in case anyone mentions Silver, I just want to mention that he most likely recognized Ash from watching a Pokemon League broadcast (Hey, Max was able to recognize Ash from the Pokemon League, and he was 2 years younger than him (4-5 years younger for those of you who insist that he has Aged.)

I'd say that it is some random trainer. Also, he might just make an appearance. Time length doesn't eliminate the possibility of him arriving. Remember, Brock's Mom appeared 5 years after her first mention (9 years if you don't want to count "A family that Battles together, stays together." as an actual episode.), so if they could give Brock's Mom an appearance after so many seasons, they can most CERTAINLY give Ash's father an appearance on the show. Plus, didn't a PUSA representative once mention that Ash's father will appear in the D/P series in one convention?

I know they never confirmed Giovanni as Mr. "Ketchum", but that makes sense with Mewtwo, even still though. One could go with the psychology that Mewtwo wasn't noticing or paying attention, trying to gain the superiority complex of "Humans all look the same to me" kinda deal.

Anakin knew he had 1 Child on the way, but he had no idea he had 2 children on the way. Also, you must realize that trying to do Star Wars recognizing children with real life recognizing, the force is in one, and not the other. It's not all that uncommon for a parent and child to meet (regardless of age) and carry on with their lives unknowing that they're each other's flesh and blood. I'm sure that would apply with Pokemon as well (I think the writers are just doing a really good job hiding it from the childrens).

And it totally could be Prof. Oak, just because his son had a kid (Gary) doesn't mean ol' Samuel couldn't pop a nice little blue pill once in a while. (Phil Sebben: HAH HAH, Viagra!)

Also, I was unsure if that episode featuring Brock's mom had aired yet, so I played it safe. Either way, it shows, Pokemons and Humans alike. One Night Stands do happen.

weedle_mchairybug March 26th, 2008 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3436380)
I know they never confirmed Giovanni as Mr. "Ketchum", but that makes sense with Mewtwo, even still though. One could go with the psychology that Mewtwo wasn't noticing or paying attention, trying to gain the superiority complex of "Humans all look the same to me" kinda deal.

What does Mewtwo have to do with this, aside from being the focus of the special? I mean, Mewtwo didn't even think that way. In fact, considering how the Pikachus AND Mewtwo itself released itself from the traps, and how Mewtwo was almost dead as a result, He could barely even think. I mean, Giovanni went to the breakout of Mewtwo, and he went to Ash and Co. and he acted as though they were pests, and didn't act as though he recognized any of them, Especially Ash.

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Anakin knew he had 1 Child on the way, but he had no idea he had 2 children on the way. Also, you must realize that trying to do Star Wars recognizing children with real life recognizing, the force is in one, and not the other. It's not all that uncommon for a parent and child to meet (regardless of age) and carry on with their lives unknowing that they're each other's flesh and blood. I'm sure that would apply with Pokemon as well (I think the writers are just doing a really good job hiding it from the childrens).
Maybe, but I think he would still notice these things, In fact. considering how Domino Told Giovanni Ash's name when they captured the Kids in the same special (In the Japanese version, at least), and he still didn't recognize him, that gives some credence that he isn't even his father.

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And it totally could be Prof. Oak, just because his son had a kid (Gary) doesn't mean ol' Samuel couldn't pop a nice little blue pill once in a while. (Phil Sebben: HAH HAH, Viagra!)
sigh... Ash would have to be older than Gary in order to be his uncle. Look, I have a friend who is an uncle, he is in his teens and he is at least a year younger than me, and he became an uncle at least four to five years ago. In order for someone to be an uncle, they need to be older than the Nephew, It's Biologically impossible for the uncle and the Nephew to be the same Age (not counting Adoptions, of course)

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Also, I was unsure if that episode featuring Brock's mom had aired yet, so I played it safe. Either way, it shows, Pokemons and Humans alike. One Night Stands do happen.
It HAS aired already. Both ones. the Hoso was aired 5 years ago, and the Battle Frontier episode aired at LEAST one year ago.

DavyJones4our March 26th, 2008 7:10 PM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 3437077)
What does Mewtwo have to do with this, aside from being the focus of the special? I mean, Mewtwo didn't even think that way. In fact, considering how the Pikachus AND Mewtwo itself released itself from the traps, and how Mewtwo was almost dead as a result, He could barely even think. I mean, Giovanni went to the breakout of Mewtwo, and he went to Ash and Co. and he acted as though they were pests, and didn't act as though he recognized any of them, Especially Ash.

What special? I'm referring to the First Movie. You'd think Mewtwo would've said something, but it is possible that he had the psychology that I stated earlier, and just didn't care later on.

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Maybe, but I think he would still notice these things, In fact. considering how Domino Told Giovanni Ash's name when they captured the Kids in the same special (In the Japanese version, at least), and he still didn't recognize him, that gives some credence that he isn't even his father.
Giovannai wouldn't know his bastard child's name, and I'm sure Delilah didn't know Giovanni's name to give it to Ash, so she went with her name, Ketchum.

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sigh... Ash would have to be older than Gary in order to be his uncle. Look, I have a friend who is an uncle, he is in his teens and he is at least a year younger than me, and he became an uncle at least four to five years ago. In order for someone to be an uncle, they need to be older than the Nephew, It's Biologically impossible for the uncle and the Nephew to be the same Age (not counting Adoptions, of course)
That's so very not true, an uncle is just the son of your grandparents (not including your father, assuming it's his side of the family tree). It is very possible for an Uncle to be younger than their Nephews and Nieces.

It is very possible for that to happen, while Prof. Oak's son/daughter was getting pregnant with Gary, Prof. Oak would've been getting Delilah pregnant with Ash. It's very possible.

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It HAS aired already. Both ones. the Hoso was aired 5 years ago, and the Battle Frontier episode aired at LEAST one year ago.
What's Hoso? And I didn't know if it had aired yet, no need to be pretentious about it.

Scales March 26th, 2008 7:28 PM

I think that Ash's dad was the result of a canceled subplot to the anime. So they just retconned him as an easter egg

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 26th, 2008 11:17 PM

its either giovanni, james, (uh huh ashs mum had a boy toy ;)) professor oak , silver (from the anime) or garys father

Unforgettable March 27th, 2008 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerevarine (Post 3437328)
I think that Ash's dad was the result of a canceled subplot to the anime. So they just retconned him as an easter egg

For the win....Nerevarine!
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Originally Posted by ♥vampy©valentine♥ (Post 3437804)
its either giovanni, james, (uh huh ashs mum had a boy toy ;)) professor oak , silver (from the anime) or garys father

LAWLZ with the James thing. XD I died that was great. But alas, no way.
Giovanni would be win, Oak is impossible, Silver I doubt, and I really doubt that Gary and Ash are brothers. But has anyone noticed how Gary looks more like Ash's mom than Ash? Children switched a birth anyone? JKJKJKLOLOLOL

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 27th, 2008 12:27 AM

giovanni kinda explains why team rocket is still in the show

i only said silver cos he seemed to know of ash ...

did we ever see garys mother :O maybe garys mum is the same as ashs but they has a different dad!!

why is oak impossible ? just say oak is in his 60s when pokemon anime started and ash was 10 that means oak would of been 50 ... a bit old but it is possible men are able to make babies for longer then girls

Unforgettable March 27th, 2008 12:49 AM

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sigh... Ash would have to be older than Gary in order to be his uncle. Look, I have a friend who is an uncle, he is in his teens and he is at least a year younger than me, and he became an uncle at least four to five years ago. In order for someone to be an uncle, they need to be older than the Nephew, It's Biologically impossible for the uncle and the Nephew to be the same Age (not counting Adoptions, of course)
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Actually no.I have a brother who is 32 and has 4 kids. One is 14, and the others are younger than that. I have a younger sister who is 12. It is not impossible. My mom had my brother when she was 19 and my sister when she was 40. And my sister is an aunt. and the other is a nephew.

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 27th, 2008 2:42 AM

i forgot the most important one ashs dad is *drumroll*
Spoiler:
the narrator

it makes sence ... unless its just ash telling his story to his kid /grandkids /pikachus kids/ pickachus and ash kids ;) oh btw i have read people think pikachu is his father too (dont worry he died / mutated etc and reincarated / changed etc in pikachu) oh and ho oh can transform into human/ a human can transform into ho oh and mated with his mum and thats why it was on route one cos it was looking after its kids :L lol and then im not going into the theory of mr mime >_>

weedle_mchairybug March 27th, 2008 3:18 AM

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What special? I'm referring to the First Movie. You'd think Mewtwo would've said something, but it is possible that he had the psychology that I stated earlier, and just didn't care later on.

Sigh, there is a special that was made during the Johto Era known as "Mewtwo Returns", It was involving Mewtwo living on a mystic Resivoire known as Mt. Quena, he summoned storms to protect himself and the other cloned pokemon from being discovered, and a double agent named Domino tags along with Ash and Co. to help Giovanni find Mewtwo. You can find it at blockbuster if you really want to see it.

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Giovannai wouldn't know his bastard child's name, and I'm sure Delilah didn't know Giovanni's name to give it to Ash, so she went with her name, Ketchum.
I'm pretty sure she would know his father, whoever it was, since she seemed to act as though she KNEW his father in "Pokemon Emergency", and she sounded praising of him when she said that Ash would be the apple of his eye. If it was Giovanni, I don't think that Delia would be so praising of his father, she would have a hint of Distaste if Giovanni was Ash's father, so it can't be him.

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That's so very not true, an uncle is just the son of your grandparents (not including your father, assuming it's his side of the family tree). It is very possible for an Uncle to be younger than their Nephews and Nieces.
BTW, an Uncle is far more than that. An uncle is also a parental figure (not necessarily a parent, per se, just a parental figure.), so being disrespectful to your uncle or aunt would be the exact same thing as being disrespectful to your parents.

And also, Ash wouldn't call Professor Oak by "Professor Oak" if he were his father, he would call him "Father", or a synonym of that. I mean, he doesn't call his mom by her first name, so why would he call Professor Oak by his name and not by his parental title if he were his father? (Then again, Bart always called his dad by his first name, but he was meant to be disrespectful, anyways, and while Ash might be a bit rash, it isn't to the same extent as Bart.).

Before anyone mentions Future Trunks, he doesn't count since he HAD to call Vegeta by his first name since he was from the future, and that would have caused some unnecessary complications if he did. And he started calling him "father" when he saw Vegeta in danger.

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It is very possible for that to happen, while Prof. Oak's son/daughter was getting pregnant with Gary, Prof. Oak would've been getting Delilah pregnant with Ash. It's very possible.
Possible, yes, but not probable. Besides, about her and oak seeing each other, their friends and neighbors. just because they see each other often doesn't mean that they were in love or had some sort of one night stand. I mean, i imagine that you have friends you visit and hang out every so often, does that mean you have had any of the prerequisites that many people think Delia and Oak had?

What's Hoso? And I didn't know if it had aired yet, no need to be pretentious about it.[/QUOTE]

Ok, Hoso is this series of specials that have aired in Japan, they are under the name of Pokemon Chronicles here in the U.S.A. several things happen in the episodes that are later impacted in the series (e.g. Misty catching Gyarados in "Cerulean Blues", and later having it in the Togepi Arc.).

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 27th, 2008 3:32 AM

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And also, Ash wouldn't call Professor Oak by "Professor Oak" if he were his father, he would call him "Father", or a synonym of that. I mean, he doesn't call his mom by her first name, so why would he call Professor Oak by his name and not by his parental title if he were his father? (Then again, Bart always called his dad by his first name, but he was meant to be disrespectful, anyways, and while Ash might be a bit rash, it isn't to the same extent as Bart.).
what if ash doesnt know that oak is his dad ?

and oak could be his bioloigical father but ash was brought up by step father (died/left etc) and even though he knew oak was his father he didn't see him as a father figure and so he calls him oak

or

they don't want other people to know so they act like he isn't his father


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Giovannai wouldn't know his bastard child's name, and I'm sure Delilah didn't know Giovanni's name to give it to Ash, so she went with her name, Ketchum.
I'm pretty sure she would know his father, whoever it was, since she seemed to act as though she KNEW his father in "Pokemon Emergency", and she sounded praising of him when she said that Ash would be the apple of his eye. If it was Giovanni, I don't think that Delia would be so praising of his father, she would have a hint of Distaste if Giovanni was Ash's father, so it can't be him.
if tthey were never married the ash get the mothers last name unless specified otherwise....

people change maybe giovanni was a nice person and something happened to him to change him

Mitchman March 27th, 2008 10:24 AM

LOL this is all good and all but I say giovvani can't be cause if it was, liked someone stated before his mother wuld despise him. I say ash's dad will come along at some point so the whole thing can end dramatically. Pikachu dying while ash's father is there and everything. Also one thing if pikachu is so strong was oak's mentioning of pikachu being special at the very start a hint that it was ash's fathers pikachu and that is why pikachu loves ash and ash loves pikachu so much?

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 27th, 2008 3:01 PM

pikachu didn't love ash at the start

DavyJones4our March 27th, 2008 6:11 PM

People, you're forgetting how a suave guy like Giovanni would work, he'd had to've gotten her tipsy at a bar first before he gave any sort of information as to who he is. She wanted Ash to think he had an honourable father so she made up several lies about him about how great he was, since she has no idea who he really is, at all. For all she knows she slept with a fat greasy biker.

Akio123 March 27th, 2008 6:23 PM

I only think it's Giovanni because I would just love the irony.

weedle_mchairybug March 27th, 2008 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ♥vampy©valentine♥ (Post 3438134)
what if ash doesnt know that oak is his dad ?

and oak could be his bioloigical father but ash was brought up by step father (died/left etc) and even though he knew oak was his father he didn't see him as a father figure and so he calls him oak

or

they don't want other people to know so they act like he isn't his father

About the first Option, I don't think that's possible, since, as dense as Ash can get, I don't think he would be THAT dense.

as for the second Option, that DEFINITELY couldn't be since, in the first Pokemon episode, Ash referred to Professor Oak by... well, "Professor Oak", instead of Father, when they were alone. Plus, they were outside and alone, Gary's crowd was moving away when Oak and Ash encountered each other, and they certainly couldn't hear the conversation because 1. they were too far away to hear him. 2. They were cheering too loudly for them to hear Professor Oak's conversation, and it wouldn't make sense for Ash to call him that when they are alone if they were alone. I mean, Future Trunks at least had the excuse of "I'm from the Future, and I have to call my father by his first name or the timeline will face unnecessary changes", but Ash doesn't have an excuse for something like this.

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if tthey were never married the ash get the mothers last name unless specified otherwise....

people change maybe giovanni was a nice person and something happened to him to change him
Giovanni actually refered to himself and his organization as "evil" in a flashback scene in a certain episode involving the introduction of Team Rocket's Delibird, so I don't think that he was a nice Person to begin with. Maybe he might have played nice, but I don't think he was originally a nice person.

Also, Delia would have recognized Team Rocket (even before JJM first invaded Pallet Town). I mean, Team Rocket is pretty well known and a vast empire, since it spans over 3 regions (four if you take into account the Orange Islands, Maybe 5, since [Spoilers]Cassidy and Butch had appeared in Sinnoh[/Spoilers] and they were also mentioned in the Eterna Museum episode. Plus, the Team Rocket Attacks had to have been televised news stories.

@DavyJones4our: Delia doesn't even Make up lies. If she did, Ash's relationship with her would have been far MORE estranged than it was in the entire show's run (it would pretty much be on the level of Bobby Bolivia and his mom's relationship in the recent "Transformers" movie if she does make up lies.).

Anyways, that's all for now.

DavyJones4our March 27th, 2008 6:33 PM

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@DavyJones4our: Delia doesn't even Make up lies. If she did, Ash's relationship with her would have been far MORE estranged than it was in the entire show's run (it would pretty much be on the level of Bobby Bolivia and his mom's relationship in the recent "Transformers" movie if she does make up lies.).

I don't think you fully fathom the situation. This isn't a little white lie, this is something that out-right shakes the foundation of a person, had they known the truth. She knew she had to be a good mother, and raise this boy right, unknowing what the father was/is like, so if it meant lying about the father (whom I'm sure she'd of passed off as deceased for Ash's sake) to do so, then so be it.

This sort of situation happens more often than you'd think. McHairyBug (...eww...</Butters)

DavyJones4our March 27th, 2008 7:34 PM

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Excuse me for butting in and stuff but like...

Concerning the bolded text, how often does this happen in Pokemon?

Apparently enough for this to happen to Delilah. Possibly Misty, hell, Brock's mom had left once upon a time ago, probably having a ball in Atlantic City or Vegas.

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 27th, 2008 8:48 PM

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About the first Option, I don't think that's possible, since, as dense as Ash can get, I don't think he would be THAT dense.
some smart people grow up thinking there mum/dad are their uncle/aunt so its possible

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as for the second Option, that DEFINITELY couldn't be since, in the first Pokemon episode, Ash referred to Professor Oak by... well, "Professor Oak", instead of Father, when they were alone. Plus, they were outside and alone, Gary's crowd was moving away when Oak and Ash encountered each other, and they certainly couldn't hear the conversation because 1. they were too far away to hear him. 2. They were cheering too loudly for them to hear Professor Oak's conversation, and it wouldn't make sense for Ash to call him that when they are alone if they were alone. I mean, Future Trunks at least had the excuse of "I'm from the Future, and I have to call my father by his first name or the timeline will face unnecessary changes", but Ash doesn't have an excuse for something like this.
well in this theory ash knows that he is his biological father ... but he has someone else for his role model this would mean that ash wouldn't call him father... it even works if he doesnt have fatherfigure ... im not close to my dad and i find it confusing on what to call him i call him dad (only to be polite) but becuase he doesn't play a large role in my life i dont feel like he is a "dad" he is only my biological father... and with them trying to hide it ash could of been told that he is never to call him dad etc cos he could slip up

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Giovanni actually refered to himself and his organization as "evil" in a flashback scene in a certain episode involving the introduction of Team Rocket's Delibird, so I don't think that he was a nice Person to begin with. Maybe he might have played nice, but I don't think he was originally a nice person.
well in some parts of the anime his mum is shown to control team rocket ... he might of became good and met ashs mum blah blah blah and then became evil again ... his evilness might be cuased by a mental disorder ( or more likely a "blow to the head" happens all the time in cartoons ) and when with ashs mum he was in a un evil phrase

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Also, Delia would have recognized Team Rocket (even before JJM first invaded Pallet Town). I mean, Team Rocket is pretty well known and a vast empire, since it spans over 3 regions (four if you take into account the Orange Islands, Maybe 5, since [Spoilers]Cassidy and Butch had appeared in Sinnoh[/Spoilers] and they were also mentioned in the Eterna Museum episode. Plus, the Team Rocket Attacks had to have been televised news stories.
delia could of been in team rocket for all we know plus love can make people ignore thing she could of thought she could change him

Mitchman March 28th, 2008 2:55 AM

well also if giovvani was ash's father consider this silver is his brother. Don't forget that silver is giovvanis son so I don't see ash and silver being brothers although there is a resemblance
Edit: sorry silver as I thought was the hero i the GSC games when really its the red haired thief. So WTF ash has the red haired wierdo as a brother?
Nope no it can't be. Giovvani is now out of the question.

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 28th, 2008 3:15 AM

the red head kid would be a half brother.... i have a half brother and sister... they are full siblings to each other ... the boy has pale skin hazel eyes and yellow blonde hair (use to be white blonde) his sister (my half sister) has tanned(naturally) skin blue/green eyes and mousy brown hair i have brown eyes dark auburn hair and pale skin with freckles none of our features look the same it is possible ...

.Azelf March 28th, 2008 4:02 AM

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Originally Posted by YunaDances (Post 3437871)
For the win....Nerevarine!

LAWLZ with the James thing. XD I died that was great. But alas, no way.
Giovanni would be win, Oak is impossible, Silver I doubt, and I really doubt that Gary and Ash are brothers. But has anyone noticed how Gary looks more like Ash's mom than Ash? Children switched a birth anyone? JKJKJKLOLOLOL

Silver? A Silver in the pokemon manga? o-O

Anyhow, Ash's father COULD BE anyone. It probably won't and hasn't been confrimed. James would be impossible LAWL. Giovanni, he might be possible. No one knows yet at all.

MudMast March 28th, 2008 5:43 AM

many diffrent choices.

he might randomly appear later.
or he might already have...

we wont know for a while.

.Azelf March 28th, 2008 11:04 AM

Inplus, when was the last time Giovanni appeared in the anime? He might or might not be.

Galbinus March 28th, 2008 12:03 PM

I DOUBT that Giovanni is Ash's father.

I know that some people may prefer it for the irony or whatev., but think about it LOGICALLY for a moment: Ash looks very eastern-Asian, while his mother is most likely half-Caucasian at the least (or assumed from her fair skin color/hair color; but this is anime, the world where breaking the rules of biology is a daily occurrence, so I can't say for sure). Giovanni is an Italian name, which in itself already implies strongly that he is at least partly Caucasian, but thinking about his overall appearance (which, to me, is not very Asian at all) I think that it would be biologically impossible for him and Delia to produce Ash. :|

Of course, my argument has its faults. Delia and/or Giovanni could easily have an Asian parent or part Asian ancestry, which could possibly account for Ash's features. And, since Delia is addressed as Mrs. Ketchum (emphasis on the Mrs) this may imply that Ash's father is Caucasian, as, well, Ketchum is not exactly an Asian name. However, I like to think that Ketchum is Delia's maiden name or something of the sort that she added a 'Mrs' to, perhaps in reminder of a deceased husband or to keep people from prodding about her marital past?

Ehh.. I am probably reading too much into this..

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 28th, 2008 6:46 PM

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Originally Posted by .Azelf (Post 3441724)
Silver? A Silver in the pokemon manga? o-O

Anyhow, Ash's father COULD BE anyone. It probably won't and hasn't been confrimed. James would be impossible LAWL. Giovanni, he might be possible. No one knows yet at all.

no sliver in the anime http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Silver_%28anime%29

Amp March 28th, 2008 6:59 PM

I think it's painfully obvious that Brock is Ash's father. j/k

It would explain why he won't get out of the $%^& anime.

Gummy March 28th, 2008 7:35 PM

Has everyone ruled out the possibility that Ash's father is probably dead? People die, guys, even in the Pokemon world.

.Azelf March 28th, 2008 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gummy (Post 3444588)
Has everyone ruled out the possibility that Ash's father is probably dead? People die, guys, even in the Pokemon world.

That's another possibly. You never know.

weedle_mchairybug March 29th, 2008 3:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Gummy (Post 3444588)
Has everyone ruled out the possibility that Ash's father is probably dead? People die, guys, even in the Pokemon world.

sigh... it is true that people die, but I don't think that's the case with Ash's father. I mean, really, Delia was referring to Ash's father in the Present tense in the 2nd episode, which Hints that he's still alive.

(Then again, that's the dub, but for all I know, that also could have been in the Japanese version, since I haven't seen the original version. The only thing I know about Ash's father in the Japanese version is that he was actually mentioned only once, and not twice as the Dub implied. the other mention to his father was ACTUALLY in reference to his Grandfather in the original Japanese.).

If he was dead, she would use the Past tense in reference to him. Even WITH divorce, she could still reference him in the Present tense.

Twinx March 29th, 2008 8:27 AM

I wish they would make it that Ash's goal in his journey would be [other than becoming a master] finding his dad. That would make thinks a whole lot more interesting...

sandcrawler March 29th, 2008 10:16 AM

I'm going to say Ash is his own father via time travel.

Newpkmnhack March 31st, 2008 11:23 AM

i never acculy thought about that . good question

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 31st, 2008 5:35 PM

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Originally Posted by .Nero. (Post 3446549)
I'm going to say Ash is his own father via time travel.

that would explain why he is so dumb

tha savior March 31st, 2008 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3434809)
Because until I get an answer from the Anime or movies, I'm still sticking with the theory that it's Giovanni.

what makes u come 2 that conclusion? at the very first epi. ash is looking at tv and his father is shown battling the elite 4 and his mom says it also something about "look at u gonna b just like ure father" as the tv plays but now that uve said it i do wonder who ashes father is?

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 31st, 2008 5:58 PM

that wasn't his father ....

ValentineUmbreon April 1st, 2008 8:37 AM

Hey guys. I watch the Anime in german. In the first episode Ash is talking with his mother on the phone and in german she said "Your father would be proud". Is it only in this translation?

Scales April 2nd, 2008 9:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ValentineUmbreon (Post 3456580)
Hey guys. I watch the Anime in german. In the first episode Ash is talking with his mother on the phone and in german she said "Your father would be proud". Is it only in this translation?

No its in all languages. If you read the first page you would know a lot of other things they add. This line is one of the only things that tells us something about Ash's father

Ashy Larry April 3rd, 2008 2:13 AM

Yeh Ash's mum was in the very first episode.

Camisado April 7th, 2008 11:14 PM

I once saw it speculated somewhere in the depths of the internet that Ho-Oh is Ash's father =| though that doesn't correlate with what Delia said about his father being a Pokémon trainer.

I think it'd be cool if his father was someone like Lance or Steven. Someone pretty admirable in the Pokémon world. Other than Giovanni. Can anyone actually imagine Giovanni being with Delia?

Charaxes April 8th, 2008 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 3445553)
(Then again, that's the dub, but for all I know, that also could have been in the Japanese version, since I haven't seen the original version. The only thing I know about Ash's father in the Japanese version is that he was actually mentioned only once, and not twice as the Dub implied. the other mention to his father was ACTUALLY in reference to his Grandfather in the original Japanese.)

Here is the episode comparison where the former was referenced. Apparently, the dub carried that over, as well.

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/comparisons/kanto/ep002.html

As for Giovanni being daddy, half is the Star Wars obsession some fans have, and the other is the Pokemon Live musical, having Delia/Giovanni as canon. Silly Americans. Heh.

I doubt it will be solved, FR/LG dropped that Giovanni had a red-headed kid, and Nintendo still hasn't done anything about it after 3-4 odd years?

Mitchman April 8th, 2008 11:34 AM

That red head is the rival in G/S/C

Kyoru April 9th, 2008 11:26 AM

Does Ash need a dad? The Red in the manga did fine without one. I still think that Ash's dad is a nobody so he doesn't need to be included. I still think he's out there but I think it's the scenario with Brock and his dad. Ash's dad is ashamed to be a failure pokemon trainer thus he doesn't go back home.

Justin T April 9th, 2008 1:40 PM

Well whoever his father is, he must have aura (because he is a descendant of aura).

Tré April 12th, 2008 3:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin T (Post 3484320)
Well whoever his father is, he must have aura (because he is a descendant of aura).

yeah your right...maybe its....nah.....its nothing to do with it...

LeeJ124 April 12th, 2008 3:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3434894)
What about Norman? Wasn't he May and Max's father?

And Prof. Oak is Gary's grandfather. And Brock's dad was on the show (though not his mom...hmm..........).

I just want to point out that Brocks mum was shown in the series, when he went back home and she had done up the place to suit water pokemon.

Maybe ash just doesn't have a dad and the people who make Pokemon didn't really think about it

Mr_Cash April 12th, 2008 4:09 AM

i think its pretty sure giovanni is ash's father cuz they never met , and kind of been talking like that anyway.
its probably gonna be a huge climax when he has to battle giovanni.

ps: ho oh ashs father? rofl if so then miss ketchum is rly freaky in bed.

spike6958 April 12th, 2008 2:20 PM

Ash is like Jesus, his mom is a virgin but still had a kid :D

Marksman April 12th, 2008 2:41 PM

I looked it up in Wikipedia. This is what I found:
The identity of his father has remained unknown. One reference to him exists in the anime. During a phone conversation between Ash and his mother in the second episode, she states to her amazement that he got from Pallet Town to Viridian City in one day. "It took your father four days to get there when he started Pokémon training", she says, "He'll be so proud!". A line from the play, Pokémon Live!, suggests that Delia, at one time, had a relationship with the leader of Team Rocket, Giovanni when she was a teenager, but in the anime, no evidence of Giovanni being Ash's father has been shown currently.
It is often speculated that Giovanni is Ash Ketchum's father due to a scene in Pokémon Live! in which Delia states that she dated Giovanni when she was younger. So far, this is the only piece of canonical evidence to support this theory in any way. Some have pointed out that Giovanni didn't even recognize Ash on the one occasion they've met (in Mewtwo Returns) as evidence against the theory. However, if Giovanni had no role in raising his son (which would certainly be the case if he were Ash's father), he would have no way of recognizing the boy more than a decade after his birth.

So to Summarise, there is a good Chance that Giovanni IS Ash's Father!
Yet the Truth still remains a Mystery...

:t152:

Percy Thrillington April 12th, 2008 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Cash (Post 3491287)
i think its pretty sure giovanni is ash's father cuz they never met , and kind of been talking like that anyway.
its probably gonna be a huge climax when he has to battle giovanni.

ps: ho oh ashs father? rofl if so then miss ketchum is rly freaky in bed.

No, it has been hinted in Firered and Leafgreen that the antagonist is Giovanni's son. It's also be wrongly speculated that Molly Hale's dad is Ash's father, he's not.

We haven't been told and we probably never will be as it's not related to the storyline.

austin00081 April 12th, 2008 3:57 PM

I read somewhere that Ash's mom divorced her husband and they live separately.

(off-topic) Brock's mother, she never made an appearance in the show because she "died", and Brock's dad was the only one around. But I saw an episode from the Pokemon Chronicles TV show, and Brock's mom was there, somehow magically reborn from the dead.

spike6958 April 12th, 2008 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by austin00081 (Post 3493486)
I read somewhere that Ash's mom divorced her husband and they live separately.

(off-topic) Brock's mother, she never made an appearance in the show because she "died", and Brock's dad was the only one around. But I saw an episode from the Pokemon Chronicles TV show, and Brock's mom was there, somehow magically reborn from the dead.

That wasn't Brock's Mom, it was a new girl his Dad met while Brock was off with Ash, called Misuho, at least according to Serebii.

bruom April 12th, 2008 4:19 PM

oh well, heres how i think (you may already know if you read at "do i exist" thread):
we are only giving "why's and why nots". theres no way of having sure about it, until there are concrete proofs. i mean, where are you supposed to go with this discussion? you all know you wont proof anything unless you do deep research or wait until more informatio comes out. as it seems that none of this is happening, we arent going anywhere.
however, as im liking this discussion, ill tell my theory:
ashs father is some unsucessfull trainer who had promised he would come back home as the pokemon league champion. as he couldnt win, he decided to train more and try again. maybe, in a future anime season, ash will meet it at the final of a pokemon league challenge. wouldnt it be cool?

Andelc April 13th, 2008 7:22 AM

Spoiler:


Im pretty sure Ash's father died,

it makes the most sense

weedle_mchairybug April 13th, 2008 7:36 AM

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Originally Posted by spike6958 (Post 3493520)
That wasn't Brock's Mom, it was a new girl his Dad met while Brock was off with Ash, called Misuho, at least according to Serebii.

Umm... It WAS Brock's mom in both versions, Serebii most likely said that to clear up confusion. Plus, the episode guide was written by GoldenNoctowl, and it's not to be taken that seriously. I mean, Dogasu even confirmed that the lady was, indeed, Brock's mom in both versions. Ask him if you don't believe me.

Anyways, while it does seem unlikely that he would ever appear, that doesn't mean he CAN'T appear. Remember, Brocks mom made an appearance 5-9 years AFTER her mention in Brock's introductory episode. If they could the mother of a character of the same level as Brock to appear despite 5-9 years having passed, they can most CERTAINLY give Ash's Dad an appearance irregardless of the time that passed since the second episode of the series.

Also, about it not being related to the storyline, does it really matter in a series like this? Brock's mom wasn't exactly related to the storyline either, and that never stopped the writers from giving her an appearance 5-9 years after Brock's introductory episode.

MasterWGS April 13th, 2008 8:17 AM

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Originally Posted by .Nero. (Post 3446549)
I'm going to say Ash is his own father via time travel.

QFT. This is the ONLY logical explanation for Ash's existence. I would have agreed with the Ash = Jesus, especially with his variety of miracles (Electric vs ground apparently = Electric win whenever Ash battles with Pikachu), but due to the existence of evolution in Pokemon, the concept of religious background/meaning in Pokemon would be inconsistent. Plus we know time travel exists in the Poke-world due to the Claydol episode (I think. . . I know SOME episode involves time travel).

Humor aside, I think that Ash has no written-in father at the moment. They may create a character later on, but I doubt any of the current cast is (or is at least planned to be) Ash's dad.

conicteam May 2nd, 2008 9:42 AM

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Plus, didn't a PUSA representative once mention that Ash's father will appear in the D/P series in one convention?
If that's the case then we're going to have to wait until that episode is aired on Cartoon Network.


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