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DavyJones4our March 27th, 2008 6:11 PM

People, you're forgetting how a suave guy like Giovanni would work, he'd had to've gotten her tipsy at a bar first before he gave any sort of information as to who he is. She wanted Ash to think he had an honourable father so she made up several lies about him about how great he was, since she has no idea who he really is, at all. For all she knows she slept with a fat greasy biker.

Akio123 March 27th, 2008 6:23 PM

I only think it's Giovanni because I would just love the irony.

weedle_mchairybug March 27th, 2008 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ♥vampy©valentine♥ (Post 3438134)
what if ash doesnt know that oak is his dad ?

and oak could be his bioloigical father but ash was brought up by step father (died/left etc) and even though he knew oak was his father he didn't see him as a father figure and so he calls him oak

or

they don't want other people to know so they act like he isn't his father

About the first Option, I don't think that's possible, since, as dense as Ash can get, I don't think he would be THAT dense.

as for the second Option, that DEFINITELY couldn't be since, in the first Pokemon episode, Ash referred to Professor Oak by... well, "Professor Oak", instead of Father, when they were alone. Plus, they were outside and alone, Gary's crowd was moving away when Oak and Ash encountered each other, and they certainly couldn't hear the conversation because 1. they were too far away to hear him. 2. They were cheering too loudly for them to hear Professor Oak's conversation, and it wouldn't make sense for Ash to call him that when they are alone if they were alone. I mean, Future Trunks at least had the excuse of "I'm from the Future, and I have to call my father by his first name or the timeline will face unnecessary changes", but Ash doesn't have an excuse for something like this.

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if tthey were never married the ash get the mothers last name unless specified otherwise....

people change maybe giovanni was a nice person and something happened to him to change him
Giovanni actually refered to himself and his organization as "evil" in a flashback scene in a certain episode involving the introduction of Team Rocket's Delibird, so I don't think that he was a nice Person to begin with. Maybe he might have played nice, but I don't think he was originally a nice person.

Also, Delia would have recognized Team Rocket (even before JJM first invaded Pallet Town). I mean, Team Rocket is pretty well known and a vast empire, since it spans over 3 regions (four if you take into account the Orange Islands, Maybe 5, since [Spoilers]Cassidy and Butch had appeared in Sinnoh[/Spoilers] and they were also mentioned in the Eterna Museum episode. Plus, the Team Rocket Attacks had to have been televised news stories.

@DavyJones4our: Delia doesn't even Make up lies. If she did, Ash's relationship with her would have been far MORE estranged than it was in the entire show's run (it would pretty much be on the level of Bobby Bolivia and his mom's relationship in the recent "Transformers" movie if she does make up lies.).

Anyways, that's all for now.

DavyJones4our March 27th, 2008 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 3440426)
@DavyJones4our: Delia doesn't even Make up lies. If she did, Ash's relationship with her would have been far MORE estranged than it was in the entire show's run (it would pretty much be on the level of Bobby Bolivia and his mom's relationship in the recent "Transformers" movie if she does make up lies.).

I don't think you fully fathom the situation. This isn't a little white lie, this is something that out-right shakes the foundation of a person, had they known the truth. She knew she had to be a good mother, and raise this boy right, unknowing what the father was/is like, so if it meant lying about the father (whom I'm sure she'd of passed off as deceased for Ash's sake) to do so, then so be it.

This sort of situation happens more often than you'd think. McHairyBug (...eww...</Butters)

DavyJones4our March 27th, 2008 7:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Skittles (Post 3440602)
Excuse me for butting in and stuff but like...

Concerning the bolded text, how often does this happen in Pokemon?

Apparently enough for this to happen to Delilah. Possibly Misty, hell, Brock's mom had left once upon a time ago, probably having a ball in Atlantic City or Vegas.

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 27th, 2008 8:48 PM

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About the first Option, I don't think that's possible, since, as dense as Ash can get, I don't think he would be THAT dense.
some smart people grow up thinking there mum/dad are their uncle/aunt so its possible

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as for the second Option, that DEFINITELY couldn't be since, in the first Pokemon episode, Ash referred to Professor Oak by... well, "Professor Oak", instead of Father, when they were alone. Plus, they were outside and alone, Gary's crowd was moving away when Oak and Ash encountered each other, and they certainly couldn't hear the conversation because 1. they were too far away to hear him. 2. They were cheering too loudly for them to hear Professor Oak's conversation, and it wouldn't make sense for Ash to call him that when they are alone if they were alone. I mean, Future Trunks at least had the excuse of "I'm from the Future, and I have to call my father by his first name or the timeline will face unnecessary changes", but Ash doesn't have an excuse for something like this.
well in this theory ash knows that he is his biological father ... but he has someone else for his role model this would mean that ash wouldn't call him father... it even works if he doesnt have fatherfigure ... im not close to my dad and i find it confusing on what to call him i call him dad (only to be polite) but becuase he doesn't play a large role in my life i dont feel like he is a "dad" he is only my biological father... and with them trying to hide it ash could of been told that he is never to call him dad etc cos he could slip up

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Giovanni actually refered to himself and his organization as "evil" in a flashback scene in a certain episode involving the introduction of Team Rocket's Delibird, so I don't think that he was a nice Person to begin with. Maybe he might have played nice, but I don't think he was originally a nice person.
well in some parts of the anime his mum is shown to control team rocket ... he might of became good and met ashs mum blah blah blah and then became evil again ... his evilness might be cuased by a mental disorder ( or more likely a "blow to the head" happens all the time in cartoons ) and when with ashs mum he was in a un evil phrase

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Also, Delia would have recognized Team Rocket (even before JJM first invaded Pallet Town). I mean, Team Rocket is pretty well known and a vast empire, since it spans over 3 regions (four if you take into account the Orange Islands, Maybe 5, since [Spoilers]Cassidy and Butch had appeared in Sinnoh[/Spoilers] and they were also mentioned in the Eterna Museum episode. Plus, the Team Rocket Attacks had to have been televised news stories.
delia could of been in team rocket for all we know plus love can make people ignore thing she could of thought she could change him

Mitchman March 28th, 2008 2:55 AM

well also if giovvani was ash's father consider this silver is his brother. Don't forget that silver is giovvanis son so I don't see ash and silver being brothers although there is a resemblance
Edit: sorry silver as I thought was the hero i the GSC games when really its the red haired thief. So WTF ash has the red haired wierdo as a brother?
Nope no it can't be. Giovvani is now out of the question.

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 28th, 2008 3:15 AM

the red head kid would be a half brother.... i have a half brother and sister... they are full siblings to each other ... the boy has pale skin hazel eyes and yellow blonde hair (use to be white blonde) his sister (my half sister) has tanned(naturally) skin blue/green eyes and mousy brown hair i have brown eyes dark auburn hair and pale skin with freckles none of our features look the same it is possible ...

.Azelf March 28th, 2008 4:02 AM

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Originally Posted by YunaDances (Post 3437871)
For the win....Nerevarine!

LAWLZ with the James thing. XD I died that was great. But alas, no way.
Giovanni would be win, Oak is impossible, Silver I doubt, and I really doubt that Gary and Ash are brothers. But has anyone noticed how Gary looks more like Ash's mom than Ash? Children switched a birth anyone? JKJKJKLOLOLOL

Silver? A Silver in the pokemon manga? o-O

Anyhow, Ash's father COULD BE anyone. It probably won't and hasn't been confrimed. James would be impossible LAWL. Giovanni, he might be possible. No one knows yet at all.

MudMast March 28th, 2008 5:43 AM

many diffrent choices.

he might randomly appear later.
or he might already have...

we wont know for a while.

.Azelf March 28th, 2008 11:04 AM

Inplus, when was the last time Giovanni appeared in the anime? He might or might not be.

Galbinus March 28th, 2008 12:03 PM

I DOUBT that Giovanni is Ash's father.

I know that some people may prefer it for the irony or whatev., but think about it LOGICALLY for a moment: Ash looks very eastern-Asian, while his mother is most likely half-Caucasian at the least (or assumed from her fair skin color/hair color; but this is anime, the world where breaking the rules of biology is a daily occurrence, so I can't say for sure). Giovanni is an Italian name, which in itself already implies strongly that he is at least partly Caucasian, but thinking about his overall appearance (which, to me, is not very Asian at all) I think that it would be biologically impossible for him and Delia to produce Ash. :|

Of course, my argument has its faults. Delia and/or Giovanni could easily have an Asian parent or part Asian ancestry, which could possibly account for Ash's features. And, since Delia is addressed as Mrs. Ketchum (emphasis on the Mrs) this may imply that Ash's father is Caucasian, as, well, Ketchum is not exactly an Asian name. However, I like to think that Ketchum is Delia's maiden name or something of the sort that she added a 'Mrs' to, perhaps in reminder of a deceased husband or to keep people from prodding about her marital past?

Ehh.. I am probably reading too much into this..

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 28th, 2008 6:46 PM

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Originally Posted by .Azelf (Post 3441724)
Silver? A Silver in the pokemon manga? o-O

Anyhow, Ash's father COULD BE anyone. It probably won't and hasn't been confrimed. James would be impossible LAWL. Giovanni, he might be possible. No one knows yet at all.

no sliver in the anime http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Silver_%28anime%29

Amp March 28th, 2008 6:59 PM

I think it's painfully obvious that Brock is Ash's father. j/k

It would explain why he won't get out of the $%^& anime.

Gummy March 28th, 2008 7:35 PM

Has everyone ruled out the possibility that Ash's father is probably dead? People die, guys, even in the Pokemon world.

.Azelf March 28th, 2008 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gummy (Post 3444588)
Has everyone ruled out the possibility that Ash's father is probably dead? People die, guys, even in the Pokemon world.

That's another possibly. You never know.

weedle_mchairybug March 29th, 2008 3:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Gummy (Post 3444588)
Has everyone ruled out the possibility that Ash's father is probably dead? People die, guys, even in the Pokemon world.

sigh... it is true that people die, but I don't think that's the case with Ash's father. I mean, really, Delia was referring to Ash's father in the Present tense in the 2nd episode, which Hints that he's still alive.

(Then again, that's the dub, but for all I know, that also could have been in the Japanese version, since I haven't seen the original version. The only thing I know about Ash's father in the Japanese version is that he was actually mentioned only once, and not twice as the Dub implied. the other mention to his father was ACTUALLY in reference to his Grandfather in the original Japanese.).

If he was dead, she would use the Past tense in reference to him. Even WITH divorce, she could still reference him in the Present tense.

Twinx March 29th, 2008 8:27 AM

I wish they would make it that Ash's goal in his journey would be [other than becoming a master] finding his dad. That would make thinks a whole lot more interesting...

sandcrawler March 29th, 2008 10:16 AM

I'm going to say Ash is his own father via time travel.

Newpkmnhack March 31st, 2008 11:23 AM

i never acculy thought about that . good question

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 31st, 2008 5:35 PM

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Originally Posted by .Nero. (Post 3446549)
I'm going to say Ash is his own father via time travel.

that would explain why he is so dumb

tha savior March 31st, 2008 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3434809)
Because until I get an answer from the Anime or movies, I'm still sticking with the theory that it's Giovanni.

what makes u come 2 that conclusion? at the very first epi. ash is looking at tv and his father is shown battling the elite 4 and his mom says it also something about "look at u gonna b just like ure father" as the tv plays but now that uve said it i do wonder who ashes father is?

♥vampy©valentine♥ March 31st, 2008 5:58 PM

that wasn't his father ....

ValentineUmbreon April 1st, 2008 8:37 AM

Hey guys. I watch the Anime in german. In the first episode Ash is talking with his mother on the phone and in german she said "Your father would be proud". Is it only in this translation?

Scales April 2nd, 2008 9:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ValentineUmbreon (Post 3456580)
Hey guys. I watch the Anime in german. In the first episode Ash is talking with his mother on the phone and in german she said "Your father would be proud". Is it only in this translation?

No its in all languages. If you read the first page you would know a lot of other things they add. This line is one of the only things that tells us something about Ash's father


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