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I swear, what ever happend to courtesy nowadays? Time for my Double teamming Fissure Shuckle...
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Honestly, -28% accuracy to every move in sandstorm and with Brightpowder is ridiculous. What i find is more ridiculous is that its bulkier than swampert =/ AND it takes 269 sp.att or STAB to guarantee a ohko on a 16 hp/0 sp.def Chomp with an Ice Beam. Oh dear... I know you think well thats not alot,but most bulky starmie dont even run that much sp.att.. |
Bulkier than Swampert...ouch...I use Swampert ._.
Also, about skarmory, even if it could survive fire Fangs easily, what is Brave bird going to do to something with more physical bulk than Swampert? |
So I must rebreed my Raichu to have HP ICE. And I KNOW that's not enough.
Guess it's time for me to bring out my Choice Scarf Wigglytuff... |
It is definately an issue to be concerned with. As stated by the Smogon'er, all of Garchomp's "Counters" are liable with Sand Veil in activation. Choice Band Garchomp locked into Outrage under a Sandstorm is one of (if not the) greatest threat(s) in the OU metagame. We would need time to dwell on it, but this argument has been raging for quite awhile on Smogon now.
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Thing is there's is no 100% sure fire way to counter it, sad, but true. |
I'll PM it to you, give me a sec to find it...
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If you can, Dark, put it in your sig for the time being.
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I feel he's broken because of his movepool and 600 base stats...just an extremely deadly combo...(i know it's been sated before i'm jus stating my opinion...)
And like sims said...what's the deal with all of these sandstorm teams coming about? i battled quite a few in the past 2 days |
I've seen the n00biest of n00bs use Double-Team on 'Chomp while in a Sandstorm with Bright Powder attached to it.
Would it help if GF made a Physical Ice-Type Swift that Weavile can learn or Something? @[email protected] Could anyone run the calulations on this? Freeze-Kill(Can't think of a cool name) Power: 60 ACC: --- PP: 15 Never misses. On each of the standard Weavile sets and the gimmickly Choice Scarf one. |
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Guys, wouldn't mold breaker work and disable sand veil? If not, what about a fast poke with gastro acid?
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[email protected] Scarf Adamant 6 HP/252 ATT/252 SPD Ice Punch Night Slash Brick Break Pursuit Can someone calculate the damage if the imaginary Freeze-Kill was put over Ice Punch? |
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Yeah, but it cannot OHKO Garchomp, Garchomp is faster and Recover will only work second, you would be on the back foot the whole time. Ice Beam with only 72% Accuracy is lucky to hit 2 times, so unless the Garchomp user is stupid, you shouldn't be able to beat him.
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"Freeze-Kill" vs 16HP/min Garchomp = 119.94% - 141.27% But you need to see something. For starters, this is a non-existant move. Next, you are running a Choice Scarf Weavile in the sole hope of killing one pokemon. You completely disrupt the power of Weavile by giving it Choice Scarf. Lastly, if you look at both Swift, Shock Wave, Aura Sphere etc, they are all Special Typed attacks. This means that more than likely the attack will be Special. This makes the damage: 41.83% - 49.31% from your Weavile set. ~T_S |
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I've never had problems with garchomp, the best one I encountered got a free set up on me(I'm stubborn about switching out sleeping pokes) and after 2 swords dances he did 75% to my hippowdon before getting 1HKO'd by ice fang
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252 Neutral Choice Band Garchomp Outrage... Defender HP: 416 Damage: 271 - 319 Damage: 65.14% - 76.68% On 212 HP / 252 DEF Relaxed Gastrodon Neutral SD EQ from 252 ATT Neutral [email protected] Orb Defender HP: 416 Damage: 391 - 460 Damage: 93.99% - 110.58% On 212 HP / 252 DEF Relaxed Gastrodon. Draco Meteor from a 252 SP.ATT neutral Garchomp Defender HP: 416 Damage: 233 - 274 Damage: 56.01% - 65.87% On a 212 hp / 0 sp.def gastrodon And Gastrodon is no where near ohkoing Chomp anytime soon. Quote:
Also guys, the links are in my sig if you want to take a look ;) |
I agree that Garchomp outclasses most of the Overused Pokemon. If it is truly put up to uber, though, I don't think it will do very well in that tier. It will be pretty minor threat though, and its usage will drop tremendously. Compared to other ubers like Palkia, Kyogre, etc. its just not that good. It may have pretty beast stats, but compared OU its pretty minor. It will get outrun by most of the uber Pokemon, and seeing most of the ubers' offensive stats, it will be instantly KO'd. Well, I'm pretty undecided for now.
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I too have a Garchomp.It's balanced but it is a little off but it's good.
You should try giving it Protein and stuff like that. |
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Still, Garchomp fails at uberism compared to the other gods of uberism. So I have made my point )< Garchomp, has like no counters. ._. Especially while holding the Yache Berry from Weavile's Ice Shard. Gyarados, sort of does but ... Dayum Stone Edge. So yeah, uberify it. Its too bulky and powerful offensively and defensively for OU. Quote:
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Just like any Pokemon it depends on the nature, but if you get the ideal one it's still beatable. Cause unless the team is built around 1 or 2 Garchomp's I doubt if Sand Veil would come in handy.
Plus, Pokemon like Swampert aren't effected by Sandstorm's buffeting thing, and are pretty good at taking hits. Cause even though Garchomp gets more evasion, there's still the chance that Garchomp's moves could miss too. |
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