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Wanghis March 30th, 2008 1:41 PM

My random team:
 
I decided out of sheer boredom to make a team, could you criticize it and etc?
I'm not going to do stuff like EV's, I'm too lazy, plus I have no clue how to do it, I'd rather waste my lack of a life on other things. It mainly uses water pokemon with another pokemon just really randomly thrown in.

The format will be

Pokemon- Personality, Trait, Item
Move 1
Move 2
Move 3
Move 4

As I suck at competative battles, I didn't use any choice items, but there are places where they could easily be placed, such as on Palkia with choice specs

Kyogre- Bold, Drizzle, Leftovers
Surf
Calm mind
Thunder
Ice beam

Vaporeon- Calm, Water Absorb, Leftovers
Toxic
Aqua Ring
Rest
Substitute

Manaphy- Bold, Hydration, Damp Rock
Surf
Rain Dance
Rest
Ice Beam

Suicune- Bold, Pressure, Leftovers
Surf
Calm mind
Ice Beam
Rest

Palkia- Hasty, Pressure, Expert Belt
Thunder
Surf
Stone Edge/Aqua Tail
Spacial Rend

Meganium- Bold, Overgrow, Leftovers
Giga Drain
Substitute
Ingrain
Leach seed

Yes, I leftovers abuse <_<

El Gofre March 30th, 2008 1:49 PM

This belongs in the strategies and movesets forum, but I'll make my points before i ask a mod to move this:
*You use ubers, so no-one will play you
*You dont EV, which is vital for winning. And it's not a waste of time, its suprisingly quick when you get used to it.
*Manaphy has damp rock and rain dance, yet kyogre causes a never-ending rain.
You have no pokes capable of hitting hard physically, with the exception of palkia who cant hit over;y hard due to him being a mixed attacker
*The sets are actually good, but you dont EV so it counts for jack.

There is my rate, i recommend you add EVs and take away Ubers
*Reports for move*

Azonic March 30th, 2008 4:06 PM

Quote:

*You use ubers, so no-one will play you
There is nothing wrong with using ubers, they're just set to a different environment. But when you use Ubers and UU pokemon, oh yeah there's something wrong. <_<

Quote:

I'm not going to do stuff like EV's, I'm too lazy, plus I have no clue how to do it,
Look in the stickies for an EV Guide. And training them will pay off, there are ways to speed up the training.

Heh, I was expecting this. You've got a major Electric weak there.

Meganium fails to be a part of this team. Vaporeon is really tricky to use in ubers. Deoxys Attack is undefeatable, it nearly destroys everything. I suggest that. Giratina makes a fantastic dual wall.

El Gofre March 31st, 2008 2:23 AM

Yeah but you said it yourself, only people who play ubers would play him. And I play a fair few uber games, and this would get destroyed in the tier. Only top-notch OUs can play with the big boys, and this does not contain many of those.
So if it was OU, then its illegal
If its Ubers, SpecsTwo has a field day with thunderbolt.
Like i said, i advise you remove the ubers and learn to EV, a guide is in the "compiled 4th gen guides" stickie

Ársa March 31st, 2008 2:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre
*The sets are actually good, but you dont EV so it counts for jack.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wanghis
Palkia- Hasty, Pressure, Expert Belt
Thunder
Surf
Stone Edge/Aqua Tail
Spacial Rend

Meganium- Bold, Overgrow, Leftovers
Giga Drain
Substitute
Ingrain
Leach seed

Did you see these Gofre? :P

But yes, what they say is correct. You need to distinguish between Ubers and OU. EV's are a must when you want a competitive rate. Many people will not rate a team when it is simply "thrown together" like you say.

~T_S

El Gofre March 31st, 2008 2:43 AM

You'd be suprised, i used a mixed palkia similar to that and it worked suprisingly well. Stone edge puts big hurts on ray and with rain support thunder kicks ass :)

I dont know a thing about meganium, so I just assumed it was standard like the rest of the sets.

Sora_8920 March 31st, 2008 11:44 AM

This is what you'll be wanting, the EV Thread for 4th Gen.

1.) Like said by Clade, UU's and Ubers don't work well in conjunction to use with two tier teams.

2.) Go UU's, or Ubers, either one. Or you could go for a suitable tier combination. e.g NU, and UU.

3.) This team at a glance is better suited for Ubers play.

4.) You seriously don't want to go ALL Waters on a Rain Dance team, which is essentially what this is. I know it Isn't all, but Meganium really doesn't count, as, like said before, it doesn't fit in. Since this team, is, like said by clade, REALLY Electric weak, go Swampert. The part ground type really helps, especially with his sturdy Base Defense.

Anti March 31st, 2008 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3453602)
This is what you'll be wanting, the EV Thread for 4th Gen.

1.) Like said by Clade, UU's and Ubers don't work well in conjunction to use with two tier teams.

2.) Go UU's, or Ubers, either one. Or you could go for a suitable tier combination. e.g NU, and UU.

3.) This team at a glance is better suited for Ubers play.

4.) You seriously don't want to go ALL Waters on a Rain Dance team, which is essentially what this is. I know it Isn't all, but Meganium really doesn't count, as, like said before, it doesn't fit in. Since this team, is, like said by clade, REALLY Electric weak, go Swampert. The part ground type really helps, especially with his sturdy Base Defense.

Um this isn't suited for ubers play at all, it would get absolutely obliterated by almost all of the major threats.

Also Rain Teams with all water types generally aren't good. Meganium's variety is needed (and also resists Electric and Grass attacks...)

Sora_8920 March 31st, 2008 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3453614)
Um this isn't suited for ubers play at all, it would get absolutely obliterated by almost all of the major threats.

Also Rain Teams with all water types generally aren't good. Meganium's variety is needed (and also resists Electric and Grass attacks...)

That WAS pointed out by me, though. Also, by "suited," I mean since 3 Ubers are on the team, it would be better just to play that tier.

Anti March 31st, 2008 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3453627)
That WAS pointed out by me, though. Also, by "suited," I mean since 3 Ubers are on the team, it would be better just to play that tier.

Yet you put swampert as a replacement over the only non water...O_O

Anyways, we really can't help until we know what metagame the thread starter wants to play in.

Sora_8920 March 31st, 2008 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3453633)
Yet you put swampert as a replacement over the only non water...O_O

Anyways, we really can't help until we know what metagame the thread starter wants to play in.

Which I stated was part Ground type, and resists Electric. EDIT: CMCune can take special variants of grass types, whilst it can can also take Physcial Hits pretty well due to • Sturdy Defenses, and • Bold Nature.

Anti March 31st, 2008 1:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3453638)
Which I stated was part Ground type, and resists Electric. EDIT: CMCune can take special variants of grass types, whilst it can can also take Physcial Hits pretty well due to • Sturdy Defenses, and • Bold Nature.

You really don't get it...I don't care if it is immune to electric, it IS a water and it will not be a nonconformity in a rain team, that's for sure.

But really, we really can't do anything to help this team until we know the metagame. I would guess ubers, but Meganium makes me second guess that >.>


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