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Espreon April 2nd, 2008 6:26 AM

Rate/Fix My Team
 
Hello, thank you for being willing to rate and/or fix my team. Unlike my other team I have taken care to avoid having too many shared weaknesses. In addition this is to be used on Wi-Fi.

Enough chit-chat, here are the members of my team.

Typhlosion @Choice Specs
Nature: Timid
252 Sp.Atk
252 Speed
6 HP
-HP Electric
-Focus Blast
-Flamethrower
-Overheat

Special Sweeper.

Porygon-Z @Expert Belt
Nature: Timid
Ability: Download
252 Sp.Atk
252 Speed
6 HP
-Nasty Plot
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Psychic

Another Special Sweeper

Electivire @Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
252 Attack
252 Speed
6 HP
-Thunderpunch/Thunderbolt
-Earthquake
-Ice Punch
-Cross Chop

Just a physical sweeper, I am deciding to go completely physical or to utilize Thunderbolt rather than Thunderpunch so that way Skarmory cannot completely wall Electivire.

Garchomp @Leftovers or Life Orb (Again I want your advice before making decisions)
Nature: Jolly
252 Attack
252 Speed
6 HP
-Swords Dance
-Earthquake
-Fire Fang
-Dragon Claw

Just another physical sweeper.

Uxie @Leftovers
Nature: Bold
252 Defense
252 HP
6 Sp. Atk
-Stealth Rock
-Thunderwave
-Shadow Ball/Grass Knot
-Toxic

My Dual-wall. Thunderwave is to cripple sweepers that rely on speed, and Toxic is for walls that can be poisoned. I need help to decide between Grass Knot and Shadow Ball, I can soften some of the heavier walls and some of the heavier sweepers with Grass Knot. With Shadowball I could take out some Psychics/Ghosts.

Skarmory @Shed Shell
Ability: Keen Eye
Nature: Impish
HP: 252
Attack: 76
Defense: 180
-Brave Bird
-Spikes
-Roost
-Whirlwind

My physical wall. Brave Bird is there so he is not completely Tauntable, Spikes is there for more pain when Uxie lays out the Stealth Rocks and Whirlwind just makes it even more fun! Roost is there to heal and to Roost off the recoil from BB. Shed Shell is required to make it so Magnezone doesn't cook Skarmory.

luke April 2nd, 2008 7:07 AM

Please reformat this to the standard form. The way you have it currently is rather annoying.

Espreon April 2nd, 2008 7:14 AM

OK, are my edits better than my previous format?

sims796 April 2nd, 2008 7:50 AM

No. He means, stop with all

the

spacing.

Espreon April 2nd, 2008 9:42 AM

I have removed the obnoxious spacing.

sims796 April 2nd, 2008 9:54 AM

That's much better. Off the bat, no special wall. You'll need to change that. Also, you rely to heavily on 252/252/6 EV spreads, meaning most of your pokes are too linear and one-dimensional. However, I cannot give you solutions as of right now, I'll help on it a little later. But those two weaks stick out like a sore thumb.

Espreon April 2nd, 2008 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3460133)
That's much better. Off the bat, no special wall.

Uxie does not count? What if I shifted the EVs from the Defense stat to the Sp.Def stat? Would that count?

Dark Azelf April 2nd, 2008 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Espreon (Post 3460160)
Uxie does not count? What if I shifted the EVs from the Defense stat to the Sp.Def stat? Would that count?

Technically yes, but its not enough. Gengar kinda owns you =x, Uxie needs support.

This team cannot absorb status to save its life, try either Aroma Blissey, or Rest Talk snorlax, heck Sassy Rest-Talk bronzong makes a great sp.wall. They also beat gengar aswell.

Drop one of your sweepers.

Espreon April 2nd, 2008 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3460191)
Technically yes, but its not enough. Gengar kinda owns you =x, Uxie needs support.

This team cannot absorb status to save its life, try either Aroma Blissey, or Rest Talk snorlax, heck Sassy Rest-Talk bronzong makes a great sp.wall. They also beat gengar aswell.

Drop one of your sweepers.

I hate to say this, but would dropping Typhlosion for the Bronzong of which you speak of be a good idea?

Sora_8920 April 2nd, 2008 10:48 AM

Just a quick note: LO gets strong very fast with SDChomp.

BTW, two Status moves is just asking for a Resttalker with Guts like Hera to come in and pulverize you.

I think Z needs Choice Scarf, with Modest, as it needs the speed. And it doesn't lose a substantial loss of power when going Scarf AND Timid.

Typlosion owns Skarm already, so go T-Punch on Vire.

Also, go Dark Pulse and and Tri Attack > NP and Psychic. Tri Attack STAB is great as well
.

Espreon April 2nd, 2008 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3460276)
Just a quick note: LO gets strong very fast with SDChomp.

BTW, two Status moves is just asking for a Resttalker with Guts like Hera to come in and pulverize you.

I think Z needs Choice Scarf, with Modest, as it needs the speed. And it doesn't lose a substantial loss of power when going Scarf AND Timid.

Typlosion owns Skarm already, so go T-Punch on Vire.

Also, go Dark Pulse and and Tri Attack > NP and Psychic. Tri Attack STAB is great as well
.

OK first of all what does "LO" mean?

For Uxie what move should I replace Toxic with?

Is Choice Scarf on Porygon-Z required? I typically don't like Choice items and I don't want more than 1 team member using a Choice item.

So Porygon-Z's moveset:

Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Dark Pulse
Tri-Attack

Good?

El Gofre April 2nd, 2008 10:57 AM

LO= Life Orb
Cant stop for a full rate, will give one later.

Dark Azelf April 2nd, 2008 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Espreon (Post 3460275)
I hate to say this, but would dropping Typhlosion for the Bronzong of which you speak of be a good idea?

Sounds a good idea to me.


[email protected] / Shed Shell
Sassy Nature
252 HP / 200 SP.DEF / 58 DEF
Trait : levitate
- Gyro ball
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Sleep Talk


Id put Psychic on uxie aswell, its good for Infernape and hits Heracross n stuff, it also gets STAB.

Sora_8920 April 2nd, 2008 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Espreon (Post 3460287)
OK first of all what does "LO" mean?

For Uxie what move should I replace Toxic with?

Is Choice Scarf on Porygon-Z required? I typically don't like Choice items and I don't want more than 1 team member using a Choice item.

So Porygon-Z's moveset:

Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Dark Pulse
Tri-Attack

Good?

Yeah, the moveset's good. But I really would go Scarf. Go Psychic > Toxic. And just go Grass Knot > Shadow Ball. Also, like Gofre said LO = Life Orb. Thanks, Gofre.

Espreon April 2nd, 2008 11:13 AM

OK thanks guys. But I am having trouble deciding between Typhlosion or Bronzong. Maybe I should try the team w/o Bronzong and if I feel like he is required I guess I would go with him.

Sora_8920 April 2nd, 2008 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Espreon (Post 3460345)
OK thanks guys. But I am having trouble deciding between Typhlosion or Bronzong. Maybe I should try the team w/o Bronzong and if I feel like he is required I guess I would go with him.

Well, DA is a pretty good player, so I would go with Bronzong.

Dark Azelf April 2nd, 2008 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3460358)
Well, DA is a pretty good player, so I would go with Bronzong.

Well, unless you dont add support for Uxie, your gonna die to Gengar.


On second thoughts, i wouldnt use Bronzong, Snorlax or Blissey would suffice, 2 steels arnt good, sorry, i didnt see skarm..

Espreon April 2nd, 2008 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3460369)
Well, unless you dont add support for Uxie, your gonna die to Gengar.


On second thoughts, i wouldnt use Bronzong, Snorlax or Blissey would suffice, 2 steels arnt good, sorry, i didnt see skarm..

Yeah, but I would then have to get rid of Porygon-Z...
In addition what would be good "support" for Uxie?

Sora_8920 April 2nd, 2008 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3460369)
Well, unless you dont add support for Uxie, your gonna die to Gengar.


On second thoughts, i wouldnt use Bronzong, Snorlax or Blissey would suffice, 2 steels arnt good, sorry, i didnt see skarm..

I have to wonder why you crossed "Pretty good player" out. You are a good player, DA, How times have you just creamed me in a Shoddy Match, barring Test Team matches?

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpD / 220 HP / 28 SpA
Sassy Nature (+SpD, -Spe)
- Gyro Ball
- Psychic
- Rest
- Charge Beam / Stealth Rock / Light Screen / Hypnosis / Sleep Talk / Flash Cannon / Grass Knot.

DA, could you run the calcs? This is kind of like the Bulky Mence moveset you posted earlier, except in Special Walling to counter Gar. This should help, I suppose.

Espreon April 2nd, 2008 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3460417)
I have to wonder why you crossed "Pretty good player" out. You are a good player, DA, How times have you just creamed me in a Shoddy Match, barring Test Team matches?

I think he is just being modest. Nonetheless can we please get back on topic?

Sora_8920 April 2nd, 2008 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Espreon (Post 3460429)
I think he is just being modest.

True. But still, he's one of the better players here at PC.

But the Thread is getting a little off-topic now.

Well, you don't have spinner or a cleric on this team. but SR doesn't seem to harm it too much, especially since you're replacing Typlosion.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpA
- Aromatherapy
- Thunder Wave
- Softboiled
- Seismic toss / Ice Beam. Standard Blissey Cleric.


Dark Azelf April 2nd, 2008 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Espreon (Post 3460408)
Yeah, but I would then have to get rid of Porygon-Z...
In addition what would be good "support" for Uxie?

Something that doesnt die to its weaknesses and covers them, Bronzong would be good in that aspect, i thought of magnezone, but is suppose you could run shed shell on both..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3460417)
I have to wonder why you crossed "Pretty good player" out. You are a good player, DA, How times have you just creamed me in a Shoddy Match, barring Test Team matches?

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpD / 220 HP / 28 SpA
Sassy Nature (+SpD, -Spe)
- Gyro Ball
- Psychic
- Rest
- Charge Beam / Stealth Rock / Light Screen / Hypnosis / Sleep Talk / Flash Cannon / Grass Knot.

DA, could you run the calcs? This is kind of like the Bulky Mence moveset you posted earlier, except in Special Walling to counter Gar. This should help, I suppose.

Sleep talk in that last slot, to absorb hypnosis.

Espreon April 2nd, 2008 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3460446)

Well, you don't have spinner or a cleric on this team. but SR doesn't seem to harm it too much, especially since you're replacing Typlosion

Does might now mean definetly now? I said I might replace him. If I put Blissey in I would have to remove Porygon-Z because there would be a shared weakness to the Fighting type.

Sora_8920 April 2nd, 2008 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Espreon (Post 3460463)
Does might now mean definetly now? I said I might replace him. If I put Blissey in I would have to remove Porygon-Z because there would be a shared weakness to the Fighting type.

If you replace Uxie / Skarm, you won't have that problem. You don't need both.

And thanks, DA.

Espreon April 2nd, 2008 4:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3460517)
If you replace Uxie / Skarm, you won't have that problem. You don't need both.

And thanks, DA.

Wait, so I should drop either Uxie or Skarmory for Bronzong? If that is the case I would probably drop Skarmory, but I would dearly miss Whirlwind...


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