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How do you feel about changes in styles of writing while the story is still progressing (points of view, like 1st person to 3rd)?
For brief periods of time (like, maybe, a chapter or two), then a change in perspective is just fine - and can actually be quite a lot of fun. If you change from first person to third person a few chapters in and never-turn-back to the old way (ha ha, marvel at Giratina's bad-pun skills) then it doesn't sit very well. In other news, my new most wanted Pokémon of all time is a Shiny Groudon Bananadon. |
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Would it still be considered a rule, even if the language has changed since then? ;) I found it interesting that English used to have a lot more infinitives (verb endings) than it does now... I guess it would make sense, considering the several languages that influenced it... but yeah... As we know though, English, is ever-changing, and there is not much we can do about it... Language change can be forcibly slowed down (for several reasons), but it can never stop it. I swear though, in 100 years max, we'll be seeing 'internet speak' becoming the norm... On a side note, I bought a sewing pattern for my halloween costume today. XD |
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As for Halloween costumes, I haven't gotten past the planning stage yet... and assembling the items to cosplay a Sableye really shouldn't be all that hard. |
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You're correct that language is ever-changing, but while I think that chatspeak/"internet speak" may be increasingly common in casual parlance, it's hardly going to replace formal English in matters where precision and descriptive power are important. Chatspeak isn't sufficient for things like legal documentation or scientific research, for example. |
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Though, I could see at least a few words from the internet, making its way into spoken/written English (an example could be like 'LOL') Reminds me of an article or something, where an Oxford prof, had talked about changing the English language to accept phonetical spellings of words, that is to say, the word would be spelt the way it was heard, regardless of proper spelling. But considering the change I've seen from old to modern early English... well I could see the language adapting again... The internet (or globalization) has probably sped it up 10 fold. But who really knows... |
How do you feel about changes in styles of writing while the story is still progressing (points of view, like 1st person to 3rd)?
*shrug* I have no problem with it. It all depends on what the situation calls for, really. If restricting a scene to one character's perspective subdues an important or intense scene, then by all means change it to third person or another perspective if it makes the story better. And seeing as when I write both third person and first person I shift between different characters' perspectives, I can't really criticize someone else for doing so. xD |
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English definitely is (and always has been) adapting. I just think that suggesting that internetspeak is going to become the standard form of English in the future is going too far; I can also point out that there isn't even a consistent "netspeak," as various online communities develop their own dialects (there's a big difference between chatspeak, 13375p34k, and lolcat, for example). There are, of course, some near-universals like "lol" or "wtf," but there's not enough there to sway the entire language. |
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To add/emphasize, Feign, the truth is that while a lot of the grammatical rules are actually new compared to the language itself (such as, for example, the fact that punctuation didn't exist until the printing press came along), they're still used. What really pisses me off about the kids who say, "Well, times are a-changin'" is that most of them really use it as an excuse for not paying attention in class or otherwise doing the research or not bothering to proofread or find an editor who can for them. Just because you, in casual speak, might say "omg brb kthnx lolololol" doesn't mean that it's perfectly kosher to do it in writing. The formal, written language, while it changes here and there each century, will not deteriorate to the point of stupidity, unfortunately. While there is such a thing as contractions, there really is no reason to use chatspeak in formal writing; the acronyms and internet subculture are inherently not taken seriously by the academic circles, not to mention the most common acronyms would actually be bad form to use in a paper anyway (for example, IIRC). Except in the field of sociology because sociologists are a strange lot. Meanwhile, in fiction, it's a lot like seeing a Cockney accent rendered ridiculously. It's just not the way most people actually speak, and it's heavily, heavily unlikely that most people would unless they're joking or general society becomes a mass of 4chan-surfing, socially inept mouse potatoes. Considering the fact that this portion of society is, right now, a minority, I highly doubt there will be a sudden revolution in which over 75% of the English-speaking population suddenly learns English through illiterate thirteen-year-olds. The non-ranty answer to your question is that it depends on whom you ask. Some writing guides do say that it's still a rule (and for this, I say it's still a rule); others say it was discarded in the late nineteenth century. Quote:
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Moreover, more things go into the evolution of a language than just what the kids are doing nowadays. Eventually, the kids grow up, and if they get away from a computer, those adults would actually be literate (or will at least be laughed at by the actual professional people). Evolution of a language comes not from simply what's overdone but also widespread cultural and technological changes. (Yes, the internet is a technology, but I'm talking about something like the addition of the concepts of paragraphs and periods when print came about because it was easier to understand the print if it was separated. I'm talking about changes to refine the language, not simply break it down. Moreover, I just don't believe we have a cultural revolution that would cause a sudden complete transformation of the language on our hands. We have a new means of communication, yes, but ultimately, the socially inept kids who can't live without the internet just equate to the same socially inept kids who couldn't communicate without Vulcan twenty years ago.) |
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So if I have a question about old English grammatical use, I can go to you Val? :P XD *get's shot again* No but seriously, what we're learning is pretty interesting... :) In fact, I'm interested in the research assignment the prof alluded to. So many questions I could think of... |
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Edit: Okay, so I guess it's probably not, since I think it was 16- in that case, and on their sixteenth birthday kids were taken away and their organs harvested for use in cyborg soldiers. For some reason I feel I've heard of a book along the lines of what you describe, though. |
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If I recall in this one, these were things I remember from the book: * Gangs were formed * The main character was a girl at about 12 years old * She took care of younger kids * She knew how to drive * It was mentioned that gun shops and gasoline stores were raided |
How do you feel about changes in styles of writing while the story is still progressing (points of view, like 1st person to 3rd)?
Provided the change is very clear, and separated by clear parts, and the change in perspective is warranted, I have no problem with it. :3 |
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And the only surviving adults were in a secret military bunker? And then the aliens started trying to enslave the youngsters to sell/keep on other planets? But two of the aliens rebelled? ... If that was the book, I very much enjoyed it. The kids became immune to the virus through exposure. How do you feel about changes in styles of writing while the story is still progressing (points of view, like 1st person to 3rd)? Pretty much what Citrinin said. Unless I've got a headache. Like now. In which case I feel like screaming at the author. |
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I have Shade's Children. I enjoyed it mucho. *is whacked on head by Spanish teacher*
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How do you feel about changes in styles of writing while the story is still progressing (points of view, like 1st person to 3rd)?
I have to ask, why not? Writing is all about expressing ideas and feelings and perspectives... Characters have all these things, so limiting yourself to only one (or, worse, to all of them with omniscient) is more a hindrance than an expression of your work. As long as the point of view-change is handled well, in most cases from chapter-to-chapter or parts, then it's no problem at all. Anything more sudden, such as scenes or paragraphs would have to be handled subtly or bluntly and by an absolute master. |
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Ja kk. I think they thought it was military. So, yeah. Quote:
*is whacked on head by both Spanisch und Deutsch teachers* |
How do you feel about changes in styles of writing while the story is still progressing (points of view, like 1st person to 3rd)?
I write strictly in third-person limited. I change viewpoints, but each change is denoted by a '***' and remains in 3rd limited. Sparkly-kun's view is that switching viewpoints in the middle of a piece throws the reader off. I mean, you're getting confused just reading this, right? I'm getting confused just writing it. Also, Sparkly-kun has been reading too much manga lately. Hence the honorifics. |
How do you feel about changes in styles of writing while the story is still progressing (points of view, like 1st person to 3rd)?
More often than not, they confuse me unless transitions between character perspectives are clearly marked off. Changing from 1st to 3rd person (or from past tense to present, as I have seen before) just plain confuses me, so I tend to avoid it. Wow, I hope I made sense there:P |
How do you feel about changes in styles of writing while the story is still progressing (points of view, like 1st person to 3rd)?
Funny, because I did it the opposite way and found that it does not work out. 3rd person has the ability to describe things better than 1st person. I feel when I describe something in 1st person that the character is being over-observant which may conflict with the character's general personality. Switching in mid-story often leads to confusion. I believe a person should stay completely in first person or completely in third. |
How do you feel about changes in styles of writing while the story is still progressing (points of view, like 1st person to 3rd)?
I think it's a great thing. It gives the reader a chance to look at a more fresh, personal side of the side, or rather a more objective view of the story. Either way I feel as though theres nothing to be lost in doing so. |
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The Girl Who Owned A City. Major Mary Sue use. Some mysterious disease comes around America that kills all children over 12 years old, and this random ten-year-old girl named Lisa pops in and turns into Magic Leader Savior Woman (who, on the cover art, happens to be depicted as a thirteen-year-old - yes, with a chest). She discovers many amazingly lucky things such as a warehouse of food, and stores full of the things that other kids didn't like to eat (read: everything except junk food). The climax of the story? The leader of some gang comes up to the school building/fortress hybrid that Lisa and her groupies run. Lisa, by the way, was being very antisocial at this point - those parts where the girl was nowhere to be seen were the only parts I liked. Well, the leader boy (eleven years old) walks in, drags Lisa out and pushes her over the side of the school building (or something), and I think they end up in the sewers or... somewhere dark. I forget. Anyway, he walks up and threatens to kill her, which he attempts to do. With a gun. She survived and went on to ramble about how terrible he is and how he should stop. And it worked. No pre-teen gunfight or anything. He just dropped his act and gave in. It was disgusting. We had to summarize every chapter on things the teacher didn't read, so they were all laden with explanations about how much elements of the story were terrible. |
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