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I don't but I do have a rarely used MSN. xD
Aside from that, EDIT: How do you treat people when you review? Friendly, serious, or straight to the point? |
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So compliments that aren't helpful in the least to help me grow isn't exactly what I would call "good advice". It's just me being truthful when I say that my mother couldn't give me advice on how to be a writer. I don't know why that makes me some sort of evil person when I know that someone can't help me with what I need to do. It would be like me taking the advice about my job from someone who has no idea at all what I'm doing when I have a fully trained person I can ask who can help me improve. |
Telling your kid that they suck and pointing out everything that's wrong isn't going to entice them into continuing working. Legitimate criticism comes later. My mom did the same thing, but when I was old enough she started telling me what issues there was in my work.
In any case, saying no one but those that know of writing can give good advice is rather ignorant, considering the vast majority of people that buy books and read don't know how to write any better than most that get published. The key difference is they know what they like to read and aren't blinded by the technical details. |
How do you treat people when you review? Friendly, serious, or straight to the point?
I'm more of a 'straight to the point' kind of reviewer, but I try to be as friendly as possible in my reviews. Sometimes I'll throw in a joke for good measure. xD |
How do you treat people when you review? Friendly, serious, or straight to the point?
Mostly straight to the point. I try to be friendly, but sometimes I think I come out too blunt and harsh. And I’m kind of surprised that most people here seem to show their family and friends their fanfiction. Even the thought of showing anyone I know in real life my stories makes me wince. When I’m forced to show my parents stories for school, they always tell me how great it is and embarrass the hell out at me as I fidget in front of them (which is why I now omit telling them of any of that type of homework). The only thing they know of my fanfiction is that I’m writing it and I get snippy whenever they interrupt me when I’m writing. |
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IDK it sounded like a good idea at the time. (I personally think it would be hilarious.) How do you treat people when you review? Friendly, serious, or straight to the point? Friendly, but to the point. I don't necessarily sugar coat it, but I'm also not as cold as I've seen some people. I try to be nice about pointing the mistakes out. Quote:
Please don't change the color of your font, it makes it hella hard to read when using a dark theme. (You too LeSabre) 2 Do you seriously have to argue with everything? |
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And I kind of agree with Redstar, though it really depends how old a kid is. I mean, you can’t really criticize a young kid’s work because, as Redstar said, they’d probably won’t be able to handle it and have problems rising above it. The trick is finding a happy medium between praise and encouraging the kid to do better. Though, with teens, you can probably go all out, as long as you’re polite, give praise at the end to uplift their mood, and tell them how to improve. |
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2.) I'm not arguing, I'm discussing. I didn't agree with what she said, so what else was I supposed to do, ignore it? Then I'd be bored for lack of discussion, and miss out on the chance of finding I may have misconstrued what she was saying. If there was no conflict we'd have nothing to talk about. |
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I'm in work and don't have the time to argue. So I'm not even going to bother, because it won't make any difference. I'm just going to back out of this. It's not worth it.
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If you watch a dance performance without knowing anything about dancing, of course you can give a perfectly valid opinion. You know whether you liked it or not, and you know whether it looked good or not. So, yes, the opinion is valid, even if you don't know any technical details. However, if the said dancer asks you some advice on how to make a certain part of the dance more smooth and less awkward, can you honestly give them a valid piece of advice? No. And the dancer wouldn't trust your advice, either. Technical details, as annoying as they can be sometimes, are something you need to know to 1) give valid advice 2) explore. So, let's go through that once more. Opinions by people who don't know much about the thing they're commenting on are very much valid. Their advice, not so much. Also, opinions =/= advice, even though opinions can also be highly helpful. Also, your post had colour tags on them. How did those get in if you just used the default? Also, of course our posts will show up just like yours in your end, because the skin you're using makes them like that. We all use different skins, and black is not the default text colour on all of them. Please be more considerate of people with this, mmkay? It's not nice having to highlight the text to be able to read it. |
I would have to say that you definitely don't have to be a writer to help a writer write (say that five times fast). Sure, if it's all about grammar or whatnot, then yeah, you're going to want to talk to a writer or editor about it. However, if it's about plot or character development or world building or historical accuracy or what orgies smell like, you can ask anyone that has expertise on the subject. For instance, I constantly talk to my mom about character development, because she's a social worker who evaluates whether crazy people should be locked up for a living, and therefore has quite a bit of insight on personalities. Fellow engineers or scientists can tell me whether one of my sci-fi ideas sounds plausible or ridiculous. And then there's the all-powerful reaction, but that's been covered already. All of these are just as, if not more, beneficial than grammar correction and such.
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Of course, like you said, with fiction, a lot of the issues have to do with the contents instead of the actual writing. In those cases, it's naturally best to refer to someone with special knowledge on those fields, like in the example you had with your mother and her insight on personalities. Or, say, if I wanted to write a story that happens during the Second World War, I'd probably ask my dad since that's his area of expertise. You have to keep in mind, though, that writing is not only about the contents, but the presentation, i.e. technical writing, as well. And with the presentation, like I said, some writing-specific advice is needed if you want to get better. But, yeah. Sorry for being a bit vague there, and thanks for making me specify. :3 |
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Oh my Lord, guys, I missed all the fun! D: I'm not even gonna try to answer everything, but all I'm going to say is that text formatting is annoying, yes. And Redstar, have you noticed that the FFL explodes in arguments every time you decide to grace us with your presence? ^_^
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Oh Gods, text colours in the web. Madness! Inzzzanity! Let's not have "<blink> and twinkles" yet, then!
I used to have a similar issue in another forum I'm not going to mention but it features ye goode knowe Yami Ryu, and some others, where not matter how much I emphasized the "default" or resetted cookies, I was left watching some form of forum art painstalkingly ripped off 2001's monolith scene; gods I'm glad for UserCSS since then. Right now I see all your textes in black over silver, with nice almost-blue shadows, people... :D but thatt's off-the topic. Mmm... may I be forgetting something? Oh, yeah the part where I say Hi people, I'm back! :classic: I'm all fine and dandy, earthquake issue is momentarily left behind, although my family will have to look for a new home now... Among the first things I did once I got back here, talked to Buoysel who gave me this weird idea, a Skype FFL channel or something. I kinda like the idea, even (more) if it's text-only. :D And since I'm all-for-anonimity like Mizan and at the same time acknowledge the chance of a cabal of fun when it presents itself, I think a sort-of IRC channel would be great. We just need a server... Quote:
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On the only bold topic I've got to read as of recently (man I'll have to read back so much this time): How do you treat people when you review? Friendly, serious, or straight to the point? I go to the point, or at least I try to most of the time. I make a point that I often don't actually have a reason to review, what with me always being late and not being that good with grammar, but I'll always tell people I review the reason(s) I enjoy reading their work and why, since acknowledging I find a story interesting is to me one of the main benefits of reviewing. I may be friendly as a matter of nature perhaps-- since I mostly review people I already know, and I haven't had the chance to have a reason to be upset while reviewing... Bottom line: I go to the point. Sort of ironic, is it? Quote:
Also, hi Dagzar! Also again, guys, we're going to hit the 15Kth post soon. Just wanted people to notice, since the 11Kth to 14Kth milestones haven't been celebrated. And also for one last time, I promise: I'll retake the FFL Bold Topics Index eventually, dont worry. Thanks to those among you who offered your help, I'll heavily take you into consideration. |
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Also, there is no "M" key. ...Why the Torn am I applying logic to the Lounge. ...*presses 3* During the move Beat Up, your balled pokémon are released in order to help your active pokémon attack the opponent. Unless you're from the south-eastern side of Floaroma, in which case everyone sits down for a nice cup of tea and classical music. Do not underestimate the dangers of courtesy. Quote:
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I think that getting together over MSN or something would be a great idea! I definitely wouldn’t mind chatting with people, though my brain melts when it tries to think of FFL insanity in a chat room. And rejoice, for we are on page six hundred! Twenty-three posts until 15k |
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