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Ryuzaki_Lawliet May 16th, 2008 1:45 PM

Which starter for Fire red?
 
I was thinking Charmander, but then i changed my mind. Inbetween Squirtle and Bulbasaur now, I dont know what Charmander evolves into so please tell me which one you would pick because I'm having alot of trouble! Thanks in advance!!

elwappo08 May 16th, 2008 2:03 PM

Wh-wh-what!??
You don't know what Charmander evolves into?
Only the best Fire, Flying type out there.
Definently pick Charmander it evolves into Charizard.

Panfisha May 16th, 2008 2:08 PM

Well I'll tell you this, don't bother with bulbasaur. It only helps with 2 gym leaders, and will be a drag when fighting team rocket since poison beats grass. I would go with squirtle, there aren't many other good water pokemon out there in the beginning to help.

Dunsparce May 16th, 2008 2:13 PM

Blastoise is the weakest of the 3 Kanto Starters. It's well-rounded stats make it's downfall.

I'd pick Venusaur, as you can have this:

Venusaur
Adamant
Sleep Powder
Swords Dance
Sludge Bomb
Earthquake

Moltres ia a far more superior as Fire/Flying Type.

IMO, you made the right choice at not wanting Charmander.

The only Gym Leaders you'll have problems with are Sabrina and Blaine.

Brock: Super-Effective Grass Attacks
Misty: Super-Effective Grass Attacks
Lt. Surge: Grass resists Electric
Erika: Resists Grass x4. May have problems Dealing Damage, unless you use Normal-Type Moves
Koga: Watch out for random Psychic Attacks from Venonat/moth, and strike with Normal.
Sabrina: NO
Blaine: NO
Giovanni: Super-Effective Grass Attacks

Milke May 16th, 2008 2:24 PM

Ye, Dunsparce is right. If you can use Venusaur's speed against the pitiful team rocket, you can OHKO all of their pokemon wiht almost any move. Bulbasaur is the best choice.

raging lion May 17th, 2008 9:09 AM

I think squirtle would be a best starter.

Ash&pikachuarethebest May 17th, 2008 9:39 AM

Personally even tho I am a bulbasaur fan I would pick charamander because there aren't alot of good fire types in the game I don't think and there is loads of good water and grass types around so go for charamander just make sure you caught a mankey at the start of the game so you can take out brock and make sure you caught either a pikachu or an oddish or a paras before misty and u will be alright.

Panfisha May 17th, 2008 11:55 AM

But Dunsparce, you neglected any of Bulbasaur's STAB moves, like razor leaf. Be sure to leave at least 1 STAB move in his attack list. A better combo would be sunny day and solarbeam, and earthquake and sludgebomb, which is a good choice as bulbasaur is half poison.
And against Giovanni, there is still the issue of Nido queen and king.

Cactus Twist May 17th, 2008 9:04 PM

whatever you do, don't get squirtle. Blastoise isn't half as good as either Venusaur or Charizard. I personally like Venusaur over Charizard, especially in FireRed, cuz you can get Arcanine as a good replacement for Charizard, not to mention Moltres late in the game. FireRed actually doesn't have any really good replacements for Venusaur, Vileplume is horrible, that leaves Weezing or maybe Muk. Blastoise has several better replacements (Vaporeon, Starmie, Slowbro, Gyrados, Lapras, Dewgong and Omastar) as well as a few that are just as good (Poliwrath, Cloyster).

Ryuzaki_Lawliet May 18th, 2008 6:26 AM

Well, thanks for all of your suggestions. I'm going to go with Bulbasaur!

RespectfullyDesired May 19th, 2008 10:10 PM

Why care if your just going through the game? Unless its a female and you can breed it, its pretty much useless because evs are everywhere. If you want a pokemon just to get through the game, pick bulbasaur, however, if you want to breed and get a good ev trained with a right nature, get blastoise/charizard. (squirtle/charmander). I don't see why this thread needs to be made.

Unlimited NiGHTS May 20th, 2008 4:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hannah909brown (Post 3587409)
I was thinking Charmander, but then i changed my mind. Inbetween Squirtle and Bulbasaur now, I dont know what Charmander evolves into so please tell me which one you would pick because I'm having alot of trouble! Thanks in advance!!

Honestly, it really only matters in terms of how challenging you want the game to be when you're just starting out. The first Gym uses Rock Pokémon, and the second uses Water Pokémon, so using Charmander presents the greatest difficulty. Squirtle would be medium, since Water resists Water, but Rock is weak to Water. Bulbasaur gives you the easiest journey, since both Water and Rock are weak to Grass. By the time you reach the third Gym, you should have enough Pokémon to tackle pretty much anything.

That said, I'd really only play any GBA Pokémon game in order to transfer Pokémon into Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum when it comes out through Pal Park.

Also, consider yourself fortunate if you get a female starter. That way you can breed it early without having to worry about Ditto.

Dunsparce May 20th, 2008 1:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panfisha (Post 3589603)
But Dunsparce, you neglected any of Bulbasaur's STAB moves, like razor leaf. Be sure to leave at least 1 STAB move in his attack list. A better combo would be sunny day and solarbeam, and earthquake and sludgebomb, which is a good choice as bulbasaur is half poison.
And against Giovanni, there is still the issue of Nido queen and king.

Sludge Bomb is a STAB Move :/

It can't learn any Decent Grass attacks in Advacnce.

Sunny Day and Solarbeam on a Grass type without an abiliy to use the sun in a n00bish strategy. *Competitive Battler*

Also, The Nido's are weak against EQ.

Eartqhuake/Sludge Bomb/Swords Dance/Sleep Powder is a common 3rd Gen Strategy. Make the Opponent fall asleep, Swords Dance up, and Sweep with it's two Physical Moves.

Ryuzaki_Lawliet May 20th, 2008 2:02 PM

Thanks. And Dunsparce, you just gave me an idea about what m future moveset will be. Or not, depending on if I get it over to Diamond sooner or later when completing the Diamond game, then I'll probobly teach it Grass Knot or some other cool new TM.

Dunsparce May 20th, 2008 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hannah909brown (Post 3596593)
Thanks. And Dunsparce, you just gave me an idea about what m future moveset will be. Or not, depending on if I get it over to Diamond sooner or later when completing the Diamond game, then I'll probobly teach it Grass Knot or some other cool new TM.

My 2 4th Gen Venusaur Sets:
Physcial:

Sleep Powder
Swords Dance
Seed Bomb
Earthquake

Special:
Sleep Powder
Growth/HP Fire, Ice
Sludge Bomb
Energy ball/Grass Knot/Leaf Storm

Physical 'saur looses Sludge Bomb but gains Seed Bomb in 4th Gen. Level up a Bublasaur to level 37 before Evolving it to get it.

Ryuzaki_Lawliet May 22nd, 2008 11:40 AM

Thanks! Oh, I'm going to start it maybe.. Saturday becuase I NEED to do some thing on Diamond.

thegame_hugo May 24th, 2008 1:06 PM

wtf I always start with charmander on kanto.. why so many problems just choose the one you like more when u train a pokemon it will always be a good one ( almost always ) just need to train

Saviour_Gundam May 24th, 2008 1:46 PM

I chose a Squirtle and has forever since been on my team, He'd wreck all your Venusaurs and Charizards >_>

Ryuzaki_Lawliet May 24th, 2008 3:01 PM

I said, I'm going with Bulbasaur but if any of you want to change my mind I haven't restarted yet ;O

xiraiya May 24th, 2008 5:27 PM

I found the game easy, it doesn't really matter which starter you choose, I had the best time using Charmander though, best starter in my opinion (just go catch a Mankey and level him enough to learn a fighting move to slaughter the first gym since Charmander is not much use there, also Metal claw Charmander learns at level 9 or so is super effective to rock as well which will be good if you never acquired a Mankey.

if you want, spend some time leveling before fighting the gym in pewter, I think I had 3 level 16's by the time I got to him.

The fact is there are enough pokemon out there who can help with gyms, and Charmander evolved just makes the game that much easier, If you can beat misty (gym 2 "water") with Charmelion then your doing alright haha.

Sleek Banette May 24th, 2008 5:44 PM

Charmander is nice. If you have D/P, you can make it to a Bellyzard or whatever along the road. He's pretty bad at the first two gyms, but as for the rest, he sweeps them.

Bulbasaur is a good choice as well. Sleep Powder is amazing. So is Poisonpowder, etc. But, really, Venasaur lacks RAW power and STAB moves.

Squirtle is my least favorable choice. He has lots of STAB moves and raw power, but faints easily. Also has trouble with like, 5 gyms.

Charmander is my vote.

azfarr May 24th, 2008 7:04 PM

well bulbasaur is a good pokemon. since it is your game chose the starter well.

Ryuzaki_Lawliet May 25th, 2008 4:13 AM

I'm probobly going to go with Charmander now! Yep, im going with Charmander..

azfarr May 25th, 2008 4:17 AM

ok. try to train charmander well.

xiraiya May 25th, 2008 4:56 AM

Good choice, I hope you enjoy your red dragon like monster of mass fiery destruction err I mean Charmander, incase you don't know Charizard is the final form of charmander and he is quite the looker "i'd tap that" Said the female Dragonite.

I suggest you capture a Mankey east of Viridian City to pummel pewter city gym (Make sure it has learned a fighting move though)

LipstickTraces May 25th, 2008 5:10 AM

So I guess the beginning is the only part of the game that actually has some sort of difficulty setting, and it's very easily overridden by catching other pokemon and trading. But as an individual trainer, the difficulty is how much time you're willing to put into the game to begin with which reflects on your battles.

All of the starter pokemon evolve into great pokemon, and they all have their strengths and weaknesses just like all the others. So really, it's a matter of personal preference and your style.

Dunsparce May 25th, 2008 5:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hannah909brown (Post 3609350)
I'm probobly going to go with Charmander now! Yep, im going with Charmander..

You're easily swayed, aren't you? :/

So basically you're listening to a bunch of Chariturd Fanboys waving their hands around saying "73H [email protected]@rdZ 1$ 73H 00B3r B-cuz 1z @ [email protected]!!!!!1111one"

Rock

Charizard's Weaknesses:
Rock (x4) Stone Edge is seen on alot of Pokemon
Electric (x2) Part of Boltbeam. Commonly seen on Ghost types, too.
Water (x2) Water Type is the most highly populated type out their. Even then, Pokemon liek Salamance carry Water Attacks ofen (Hydro Pump in this case)

All three of 'zards weaknesses are commonly used types. Also, Stealth ROck Destroys Zard and makes the 'Drummer Varients useless.

Venusaur's Weaknesses:
-Fire (x2) Flamethrower is usd alot less than Ice Beam and Thunderbolt, and when it is used it generally is on Pokemon you shouldn't be against in the first place
-Flying (x2) Flying attacks are mostly used on Pokemon that get stab from it, but besides that aren't that common
-Ice (x2) This is pretty much the only weakness you'll see alot of on Pokemont hat don't even get STAB on it.
-Psychic (x2) Only n00bs Use Psychic Attacks nowadays, as it has very poor coverage.

Blastoise's Weaknesses:
Electric: Quite Common
Grass: Not seen much on anything it should be fighting.

xiraiya May 25th, 2008 6:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 3609661)
You're easily swayed, aren't you? :/

So basically you're listening to a bunch of Chariturd Fanboys waving their hands around saying "73H [email protected]@rdZ 1$ 73H 00B3r B-cuz 1z @ [email protected]!!!!!1111one"

Rock

Charizard's Weaknesses:
Rock (x4) Stone Edge is seen on alot of Pokemon
Electric (x2) Part of Boltbeam. Commonly seen on Ghost types, too.
Water (x2) Water Type is the most highly populated type out their. Even then, Pokemon liek Salamance carry Water Attacks ofen (Hydro Pump in this case)

All three of 'zards weaknesses are commonly used types. Also, Stealth ROck Destroys Zard and makes the 'Drummer Varients useless.

Venusaur's Weaknesses:
-Fire (x2) Flamethrower is usd alot less than Ice Beam and Thunderbolt, and when it is used it generally is on Pokemon you shouldn't be against in the first place
-Flying (x2) Flying attacks are mostly used on Pokemon that get stab from it, but besides that aren't that common
-Ice (x2) This is pretty much the only weakness you'll see alot of on Pokemont hat don't even get STAB on it.
-Psychic (x2) Only n00bs Use Psychic Attacks nowadays, as it has very poor coverage.

Blastoise's Weaknesses:
Electric: Quite Common
Grass: Not seen much on anything it should be fighting.


Very true, however this is Fire Red, not D/P so some of those moves don't exist in FR.
I merely suggested charmander because they Game is not really any harder or easier with whatever starter you choose aslong as you consistently train in the wild between towns, most of the time I end up well over leveled which makes Charizard begin to trample his weaknesses anyway.

Whatthehell May 25th, 2008 7:37 AM

This is what i do on fire red its the legendary free pwnage team!

Starter - Veanasaur

Catch a magikarp train to gyradose

Catch a growlith evolve to arcainine

Catch a gastley - evolve to haunter

Catch a snorlax



Then let the good times role!

Luck May 25th, 2008 9:04 AM

Venusaur is good because of its ability to evolve fast, have a somehow great movepool, and its good special stats.
Charizard is good for its movepool, being invulnerable to ground, and HM purposes such as strength or flying.
venusaur, to me, is the best choice because it learns synthesis, a rare move that recovers your health.
It also has good STAB moves and a good tm set such as sludge bomb, giga drain, and more.
also it has many status inducing moves, such as sleep, and poison powder.
It is the easiest path in the beginning but it gets really hard near the end.

Pokemon Trainer 45 May 25th, 2008 9:32 AM

Bulbasaur is a good pokemon to start with because Brock can get an easy defeat when its at level 10. It can also defeat Misty also if its an Ivysaur. So basicly, Bulbasaur is a good pokemon to start with by defeating the first two gym leaders.

Charmander is a bad pokemon to start with because Brock with defeat it and Misty will defeat it also. The only thing you need to do is evolve Charmander into Charmeleon.

Squirtle is a good pokemon to start with because Brock will get an easy defeat but make sure you catch a Pikachu or any other Grass type pokemon to defeat Misty.

Zimvee May 27th, 2008 6:29 PM

good choice with the charmander as there arn't any good common fire types and water pokemon are everywhere and all the grass pokemon in the game are poison (except tangella) which means sabrina will own you

TheDeadpool May 27th, 2008 7:56 PM

charmander is a fine choice, even if u dont catch a mankey. (Charmander learns metal claw at lv 12 in FR/LG).

i think u should just go with what looks cooler...

A lizard, Chameloen, Dragon

a turtle... turtle... turtle...

or a dinosaur dinosaur dino with a flower?

all a matter of opinion.

personally heres how i look at it.

Charmander- better stats, moderate move pool and a good type in its final stage (flying fire)

Squirtle- An excellent move pool, but he lacks the stats to back it up.

Bulbasaur- brillinant stats, moderate low move pool, and doesnt do well in the E4...

i always choose bulbasaur, but for a beginner id go with ur original choice of charmander.

KantoJohto May 28th, 2008 4:48 PM

For me it's like this:

Charmander > Bulbasaur > Squirtle

I like Vensaur and Charizard they are really good in the games. Blastoise is OK he just has a problem surviving which is why I prefer Charizard and Venusaur. In LG I always use Venusaur and in FR I always use Charizard

Houndoom666 May 28th, 2008 5:52 PM

Yeah and also, Blastoise trains a little too fast for me. I always go with Charmander in fire red, and Bulbasaur in Leaf Green. ^^

Valarauca May 29th, 2008 2:34 PM

chammander it learns metal claw so cheap to take down brock but i love it!


Anyways i rushed in leaf green to get the pokes i needed to complete my firered dex (on loan from a freind 48hrs), I used one poke for every battle it was charmmander/charmeleon/charizard

261Poochyena June 23rd, 2008 9:29 AM

I always chose squirtle but the best strategy pokemon is Bulbasaur

Raikard June 23rd, 2008 11:32 AM

I always choose Bulbasaur.


Sleep Powder + Leech Seed can kill the poor Rival's starter.

Munchlax Fan June 23rd, 2008 12:58 PM

I would recommend Bulbasaur, and I have many valid points why. However, I will just explain something; on my team:

Venasaur - Grass-type (Starter) (Grass is a Starter Type)
Arcanine - Fire-type (Fire is a Starter Type)
Gyradaos - Water-type (Water is a Starter Type)
Pidgeot - Flying-type (Good stats, essential for Fly, etc)
Raichu - Thunder-type (Good stats)
Rhydon - Ground-type (Incredible stats)

I always have a Fire, Water, Grass and Flying in my team. Venasaur is good for the first two gyms, then use a random Pokémon for the 3rd, and your Flying-type for the 4th gym. Sometimes, I replace why Ground-type with a Ghost-type (Gastly), which you might want to do for the 5th Gym. Rest of the gyms are easy, I guess. It is easy to have a journey with a Venasaur as long as you know where to get what. You can have a fun adventure without any of this struggling to do gyms/the Elite Four.

NatureKeeper June 25th, 2008 10:47 PM

@asker of this thread: You had a very wrong idea. believe me, charizard is the HARDEST to play with. He's a bit fun but i recommend highly to find a way to get the other two starters. I don't say : 'Charizard ? that crap pokemon?' I said he's just a bit dragonish and have a strange move set.

@Munchlax Fan:Gyrados is a VERY weak idea. One thunder attack can send him in the air and rayquaza sees him pass beside sky pillar. I suggest golduck for example?

Nevermelt_Snow July 15th, 2008 5:36 PM

hmmmm
 
pick squirtle because the its powerful in the fisrt 2 gyms and if you teach it TM - Ice beam you'll dominate on elite four dragon tamer...

Lynnx July 16th, 2008 3:36 AM

Bulbasaur is the easist starter to play through with because it can breeze through the gyms (well most of them); Squirtle is second, and Charmander is the hardest. =/

However, I always pick Charmander. It's just me. And I have no problems whatsoever. It's just personal preference.

Lightey July 16th, 2008 3:58 AM

I chose Charmander. I love fire types!

Ninja Caterpie July 16th, 2008 4:28 AM

Hmmm...
Guys, you say Metal Claw, but do you know how hard it is when you're only level 13 or 14? Charmander has craptacular Attack stat. It's only any ease when you kill wild Pokemon like mad and all trainers to get to lv 15 or maybe evolve by then.

Charmander-Charmeleon-Charizard
They're good, and look mad as hell.
But, you'll probably have the most trouble getting through the first part of the game.
It has pretty good stats and a movepool worthy of competitive battling.
BUT! It's stats only back the Fire moves. Most of it's other moves are Physical, which it doesn't have as much stat in.
Originally, I loved Charizards, favourite Pokemon at one point but they're getting overrated.

Squirtle-Wartortle-Blastoise
They may say this the "average" one overall, but believe me it isn't. Look, I went in to Brock's gym (I used hacks to get Seismic Toss) with a lvl 6. Came out with a lvl 8. Healed. I went back in and came out with a badge and a lvl 10. Easy, no?
Anyway, it's very definitely my favourite choice nowadays. It's got comparatively lower stats but has a wicked movepool to back it (all water types have both Ice and Water move coverage).
It's one of the best water type in the first 386 (exculding legendaries).
Oh, and what other starter can beat Lance as easily?

Bulbasaur-Ivysaur-Venusaur
Well, I can't say much, I never really used these guys. I only used them in playing RijonAdventures 2008 Beta. It only went up to Moraga Town so...I didn't get a real feel for it.
But, from what I know, it's still a good Pokemon.
There aren't a lot of grass types, even less good ones.
Only the starters, Breloom and maybe a few others are any good in competitive battling.

Overall I'd choose Squirtle.

I know this isn't relevant but Sceptile is awesome, better than all of them!


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