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. May 29th, 2008 3:46 AM

Do you reccomend me to use CBtar as a lead and switch D-E for Gengar or Azelf?

KantoJohto May 30th, 2008 7:51 AM

Can someone give me a decent moveset for a Naive Venusaur?

Dark Azelf May 30th, 2008 7:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KantoJohto (Post 3625888)
Can someone give me a decent moveset for a Naive Venusaur?

No. This is NOT the place for that.


Use the simple question and answer thread, which a sticky and easy to see. At the top.

. June 7th, 2008 8:14 AM

Well, I've updated my team. But I feel that it lacks Special Attacks. Perhaps Azelf/Deoxys-e > Gliscor?

Lalapizzame June 7th, 2008 8:28 AM

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Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3651859)
Well, I've updated my team. But I feel that it lacks Special Attacks. Perhaps Azelf/Deoxys-e > Gliscor?

Than what do you have that can switch in to Heracross and counter it? =/ All of your team fears one of is moves and cannot dare switch in. Especially on CB Cross who will devour at least 1/3 of your team.

. June 7th, 2008 8:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dancing Salamence 1.1 (Post 3651888)
Than what do you have that can switch in to Heracross and counter it? =/ All of your team fears one of is moves and cannot dare switch in. Especially on CB Cross who will devour at least 1/3 of your team.

I just had a battle, and it seems Weezing and Gyarados counter my team :(

I really think either Deoxys-e or Azelf (the former since it has a better movepool) should go over Skarmory.

Lalapizzame June 7th, 2008 8:37 AM

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Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3651898)
I just had a battle, and it seems Weezing and Gyarados counter my team :(

I really think either Deoxys-e or Azelf (the former since it has a better movepool) should go over Skarmory.

o_O Starmie counters Gyarados and Gardevoir does fine against Weezing so you could use it. =]

. June 7th, 2008 8:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dancing Salamence 1.1 (Post 3651921)
o_O Starmie counters Gyarados and Gardevoir does fine against Weezing so you could use it. =]

Starmie does, but if they have Blissey they keep switching and I'm walled. Lucario gets murdered by Weezing.

Gardy o.0 Deoxys or Azelf does a better job than Gardy IMO.

Lalapizzame June 7th, 2008 8:50 AM

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Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3651929)
Starmie does, but if they have Blissey they keep switching and I'm walled. Lucario gets murdered by Weezing.

Gardy o.0 Deoxys or Azelf does a better job than Gardy IMO.

They can't take Sludge Bomb as well or any status as good as Gardy. =] and they will regret Life Orb recoil+Poison damage that increases every turn IIRC. Gardevoir can also Wish pass and can heal itself while Will-O-Wisping any Physical sweeper. Although Blissey walls it and Starmie. =[

. June 7th, 2008 8:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dancing Salamence 1.1 (Post 3651958)
They can't take Sludge Bomb as well or any status as good as Gardy. =] and they will regret Life Orb recoil+Poison damage that increases every turn IIRC. Gardevoir can also Wish pass and can heal itself while Will-O-Wisping any Physical sweeper. Although Blissey walls it and Starmie. =[

Deoxys is mostly meant as a revenge killer.


But I am interested in Gardy. I wanna try it out. Best set for it for my team?

Lalapizzame June 7th, 2008 8:57 AM

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Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3651964)
Deoxys is mostly meant as a revenge killer.


But I am interested in Gardy. I wanna try it out. Best set for it for my team?

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252 HP/48 Special Attack/144 Special Defense/32 Speed/32 Defense
Modest
Trace
Will-O-Wisp
Wish
Psychic
Thunderbolt/Focus Blast/Thunderbolt

Support Gardy that also counters Gyarados and Weezing. :D EVs make it bulky to take hits.

. June 7th, 2008 8:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dancing Salamence 1.1 (Post 3651983)
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252 HP/48 Special Attack/144 Special Defense/32 Speed/32 Defense
Modest
Trace
Will-O-Wisp
Wish
Psychic
Thunderbolt/Focus Blast/Thunderbolt

Support Gardy that also counters Gyarados and Weezing. :D EVs make it bulky to take hits.

Tough decision xD.

Thanks DS, I'm guessing this set is superior to the CM set?

Lalapizzame June 7th, 2008 9:09 AM

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Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3651985)
Tough decision xD.

Thanks DS, I'm guessing this set is superior to the CM set?

The Calm Mind set can only have one move to help it and isn't meant to counter Gyarados or Electivire, either Will-O-Wisp or Wish. Wish makes it fragile against Physical Sweepers while Will-O-Wisp makes it have no recovery which simply isn't good at all when it's so fragile and no recovery for its partners either. :(

. June 7th, 2008 9:10 AM

BulkyGard it is then. Bye Skarm, you served me well.

Anti June 7th, 2008 10:49 AM

Stone Edge is useless on Gliscor...I don't know why people use it besides "Gyarados switch-ins" which is the saddest excuse to use something I've ever seen in my life. Use whatever the other option was.

As for this quote:

"Starmie does [counter Gyarados and Weezing], but if they have Blissey they keep switching and I'm walled."

Or you could put your thinking cap on and predict the obvious Blissey switch-in and let it have fun with CBtar ;) Always works.

EDIT: BTW you're really CM Missy weak.

. June 7th, 2008 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3652214)
Stone Edge is useless on Gliscor...I don't know why people use it besides "Gyarados switch-ins" which is the saddest excuse to use something I've ever seen in my life. Use whatever the other option was.

As for this quote:

"Starmie does [counter Gyarados and Weezing], but if they have Blissey they keep switching and I'm walled."

Or you could put your thinking cap on and predict the obvious Blissey switch-in and let it have fun with CBtar ;) Always works.

EDIT: BTW you're really CM Missy weak.

I use Taunt on my Gliscor, SE was there just if it turned out to be useful.

Missey is Blissey right? Isn't Luke and Tar able to counter it, or am I just getting Missey all wrong?

Dark Azelf June 7th, 2008 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3652331)
I use Taunt on my Gliscor, SE was there just if it turned out to be useful.

Missey is Blissey right? Isn't Luke and Tar able to counter it, or am I just getting Missey all wrong?

Missy = mismagius @Calm Mind/HP Fighting/Shadow ball/Sub

Lalapizzame June 7th, 2008 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3652331)
I use Taunt on my Gliscor, SE was there just if it turned out to be useful.

Missey is Blissey right? Isn't Luke and Tar able to counter it, or am I just getting Missey all wrong?

Missy is Mismagius. >=[ Luke and Tar are slower than Mismagius and are whacked by HP Fighting and after a Calm Mind... =/ Luke isn't a counter to Blissey either. It hates Thunder Wave and gets smashed by Flamethrower upon switching in and might suffer a Burn, making it difficult to OHKO Blissey.
EDIT: D_A beat me to it. >=[

. June 7th, 2008 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3652347)
Missy = mismagius @Calm Mind/HP Fighting/Shadow ball/Sub

Things like this make me miss Azelf :( It outspeeds Missy, right?

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Originally Posted by Dancing Salamence 1.1 (Post 3652354)
Missy is Mismagius. >=[ Luke and Tar are slower than Mismagius and are whacked by HP Fighting and after a Calm Mind... =/ Luke isn't a counter to Blissey either. It hates Thunder Wave and gets smashed by Flamethrower upon switching in and might suffer a Burn, making it difficult to OHKO Blissey.
EDIT: D_A beat me to it. >=[

I never switch Luke into a healthy Blissey :D I switch it in when it's an obvious Softboiled or Seismic Toss.


I haven't gotten to use Gardy yet, no good battles pushed me far enough. Up for a Shoddy Battle Dance Salamence?

Lalapizzame June 7th, 2008 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3652367)
Things like this make me miss Azelf :( It outspeeds Missy, right?



I never switch Luke into a healthy Blissey :D I switch it in when it's an obvious Softboiled or Seismic Toss.


I haven't gotten to use Gardy yet, no good battles pushed me far enough. Up for a Shoddy Battle Dance Salamence?

Azelf can go kill itself eating a Shadow Ball with STAB and it's super effective.
EDIT:Yeah, I'm up for a match.

. June 7th, 2008 1:11 PM

Azelf loses to Missy? You learn something everyday. Anyway, I've just challenged you.

Anti June 7th, 2008 4:26 PM

CM Mismagius/Missy is really tough to counter. No version of Blissey really...beats it. Tyranitar has to worry about WoW and HP Fighting so meh. Spirirtomb and Snorlax are fairly reliable counters. It's actually a pretty tough set to get around.

And despite Azelf being faster, it can't come in and win really. Azelf can't really OHKO Mismagius and that 105 base special defense, especially when it CMs. Mismagius really hammers it with Shadow Ball on the switch-in or after taking an unboosted Psychic from the elf.

. June 7th, 2008 5:46 PM

Well that just ruins my day. A BL can sweep my team. Fantastic.

Gardevoir is nice and all, but it's basically a Blissey with more kick (inflict status and hit pretty hard) ]

I need something that hits hard specially, perhaps Mixape? I lack an offensive fire type.

Aquilae June 7th, 2008 6:26 PM

If it doesn't Sub up first thing you can be sure it has WoW, and ToxicBliss would be able to beat it. Non-Sub Mismagius is very easy to counter given your team.

If you want a more surefire Mismagius counter you could always make Ttar Careful 252 HP/216 SpD for it, and it would get rid of Mismagius easily.
I think the pure power of max att CBtar is more preferable, so it would be easier if you would combine both Starmie and Gardevoir in one slot in the form of Vaporeon.

Surf/HP Electric/Wish, the last slot should be either Roar or Protect, depending on what you would need. I would go with Taunt on Gliscor, namely because it would serve as a PsuedoHazing method and would free a slot for Protect on Vaporeon.

Just go Taunt/EQ/Ice Fang/Roost on Gliscor, it has no business using Stone Edge anyways, Ice Fang hits harder and Gyarados isn't countered by Gliscor.

I don't think CBtar needs 198 Speed to be honest. Adamant 88 is probably the max you would need to run to beat Skarm.

For the last slot you should use Metagross with Bullet Punch, either CB or LO. This would provide support against Mismagius, namely the SubCM variant, and would down SubSeeders which would annoy you terribly otherwise.

I would advise you to go with CB Meteor Mash or LO Ice Punch to get rid of Gliscor opening the path for Luke/Ttar to sweep.

. June 7th, 2008 6:31 PM

That sounds awesome! I always wanted to try Gross but I never made a team that could support it.

So, my team should look like this?

CBTar/Vaporeon/Metagross/Gliscor/Blissey/Lucario

Right?


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