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Shadow236 June 4th, 2008 3:27 AM

CAN U BELIEVE THIS?
 
I already beat the elite four on Emerald. My problem is trying to beat them again!
I have the same pokemon: L55 Altaria, L71 Milotic, L52 Grovyle, L51 Camerupt,
L50 Aggron, L51 Hariyama. Can somone help me beat them again! Any tips?
(I must have just got lucky =)

agnostos June 4th, 2008 3:33 AM

Get revives with you.
So you will get your pokemons back when they get fainted.
I recommend you do that before starting fighting the next.. :)

Glaceon_ June 4th, 2008 4:02 AM

Evolve your Grovyle, man. Why is it Level 52? Trying to get a certain move faster? XD

Other than that, just stock up on loads of items, such as Revives, Full Restores, Full Heals and Hyper Potions. If that fails, you could always train up.

I had a similar problem with the Champion, on Emerald; I beat him the first time rather quickly, but then he seemed to use the Double Team tactic, which really drew a downer; he ended up being the first Pokemon (Wallace's Ludicolo) from a Gym Leader or Elite Four to ever slow me down to the point of him using Struggle.

I then decided enough was enough, and just used the Aerial Ace TM on my Altaria. =)

Kayke™ June 4th, 2008 6:20 PM

Evolve Grovyle.
Make sure your Altaria has Sing like mine did back in the day. xD It came in SO much handy back in the days of the E4.
Yeah, just listen to the above post pretty much and you'll be good to go. ;o

Shadow236 June 5th, 2008 3:22 AM

Y do I need to evolve my Grovyle? I think Grovyle can be just as good as Sceptile,
right? And another question, I have an Aggron that I don't use for much, should
I trade him for a elec. type? If so which one?

xiraiya June 5th, 2008 3:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 3645335)
Y do I need to evolve my Grovyle? I think Grovyle can be just as good as Sceptile,
right? And another question, I have an Aggron that I don't use for much, should
I trade him for a elec. type? If so which one?

Because you don't want to be like Ash Ketchum who doesn't evolve any of his Pokemon and always BARELY wins his gym battles.
He is an insult to our true hero "Red" the genius.

There is a reason for evolution...it makes things faster and stronger and in some cases lets you learn better moves the Previous forms do not get.

Don't know if this will help you,
but I flew through the E4 3 or 4 times with this team:

Blaziken, Swellow, Salamance, Marshstomp, Mightyena.

Blaziken took out two of the E4 on it's own being Fire/Fighting, and Salamance was really only useful for making Wallace cower in fear of me.
So, first advice would be to evolve...

.emerald June 5th, 2008 5:10 AM

sceptile is better.
my team was:
blaziken
salamence
milotic
swampert
(all you need!)

The_G' June 5th, 2008 6:02 AM

Listen to them , evolution does slightly make battles easier. Also stocking up on a lot of items will help turn tides on the battle.
Quote:

Originally Posted by LOYALemerald (Post 3645523)
sceptile is better.
my team was:
blaziken
salamence
milotic
swampert
(all you need!)

Hey how did you get TWO Starters ?

Min21 June 5th, 2008 6:07 AM

Before I defeat the elite four, I always have 50 full restores and 50 revives.

xiraiya June 5th, 2008 6:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokefan Keith 01 (Post 3645626)
Listen to them , evolution does slightly make battles easier. Also stocking up on a lot of items will help turn tides on the battle.

Hey how did you get TWO Starters ?

He probably traded and bred or something, thats how I got my swampert anyway

Min21 June 5th, 2008 6:25 AM

If you don't evolve something, it grows levels faster.

xiraiya June 5th, 2008 6:38 AM

Everyone is different, some people are skilled enough to still succeed against the E4 with a slightly under leveled team, some like my self end up being really over leveled which makes life a lot easier...

On my first run I had a team that was ranged from Lv45-50 and the guide was saying that a team weaker than 50 would struggle big time, so i baught 20 full restores and max revives when in the end only three of my pokemon had at least fainted once so i pretty much wasted money when i was preparing.

My Point is, if you know type advantages well, etc. then you can be weaker than the E4 and still floor them.

Or you can over level, so you end up towering over their Pokemon haha.

Glaceon_ June 5th, 2008 6:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 3645335)
Y do I need to evolve my Grovyle? I think Grovyle can be just as good as Sceptile,
right? And another question, I have an Aggron that I don't use for much, should
I trade him for a elec. type? If so which one?

Like said, beforehand, evolving your Pokemon makes training easier, because the Pokemon is stronger, however, if you're looking for a certain move, then you can leave them on, until they learn that move.. sort of like leaving Shroomish to Level 54, so it can learn Spore. (I think that's the level) This, however, makes training much harder, and you can be ousted by those that are fully evolved, or at least more evolved than you.

@ xiraiya: Yeah; Red is much better than Ash. (however, to my knowledge, his Pikachu still isn't evolved) One of the reasons I think so is because the Manga is MUCH more action-packed, and I think it would make an amazing series, were it given a chance to shine in the hearts of the older fans of Pokemon. Poke Special might be a new thing to me, (since I only started reading it, not too long ago, and I'm only on Volume 10) but having gone through the RBY section of it, I can say its awesome. Its not ridiculously repetitive, like the Anime with Ash and Pikachu is, and contains a lot more plot than it.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokefan Keith 01 (Post 3645626)
Hey how did you get TWO Starters ?

Likely trading. You can trade between RSE, obviously, using a link cable, and if you have a pad cable to connect your GBA to the Gamecube, you can also trade between Colosseum and XD to your GBA Pokemon games.

Strangely enough, however, I've actually managed to trade before completing the Elite Four on my Emerald, with a completed Colosseum. I got a Kingdra doing that. ^^

@ Min21: That's a misunderstanding, throughout. right up to Level 100, the EXP needed to get to Level 100 from Level 1 for Torchic is 1,059,860 at all levels of Evolution.

. June 5th, 2008 8:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 3645335)
Y do I need to evolve my Grovyle? I think Grovyle can be just as good as Sceptile,
right? And another question, I have an Aggron that I don't use for much, should
I trade him for a elec. type? If so which one?

No, you're not right. You're very, very wrong.

Grovyle's Base Stats
HP 50

Atk 65

Def 45

SpA 85

SpD 65

Spe 95


Sceptile's Base Stats
HP 70

Atk 85

Def 65

SpA 105

SpD 85

Spe 120


If you need any more convincing...Then you're just stubborn.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 3642148)
I already beat the elite four on Emerald. My problem is trying to beat them again!
I have the same pokemon: L55 Altaria, L71 Milotic, L52 Grovyle, L51 Camerupt,
L50 Aggron, L51 Hariyama. Can somone help me beat them again! Any tips?
(I must have just got lucky =)

You need help to beat the Emerald E4? XD. This is the easiest E4 in history! Yes, even easier than G/S/C. You're team is fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Min21 (Post 3645666)
If you don't evolve something, it grows levels faster.

Wrong, the growth rate never changes, only with lucky eggs or Pokerus.

Shadow236 June 5th, 2008 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3645926)
No, you're not right. You're very, very wrong.

Grovyle's Base Stats
HP 50

Atk 65

Def 45

SpA 85

SpD 65

Spe 95


Sceptile's Base Stats
HP 70

Atk 85

Def 65

SpA 105

SpD 85

Spe 120


If you need any more convincing...Then you're just stubborn.



Yea I think you got me there. I'm highly considering it now.

Ryuzaki_Lawliet June 5th, 2008 10:21 AM

Quote:

Y do I need to evolve my Grovyle? I think Grovyle can be just as good as Sceptile,
right? And another question, I have an Aggron that I don't use for much, should
I trade him for a elec. type? If so which one?


..Wrong. Sceptile has much better stats.. I loaned my friend my Sapphire which shes giving back today, and man! She'll have already beat the elite4. Evolving doesn't change the time to grow.

BerserkPaladin June 5th, 2008 10:30 AM

This might sound stupid, but you have to plan how your going to attack. Make sure the pokemon know moves that will put you to an advantage, without that, your going to lose (again i presume)

Evolve Grovyle NOW. Grovyle is only useful until around lvl 42 then it becomes nothing.

Quote:

I already beat the elite four on Emerald. My problem is trying to beat them again!
I have the same pokemon: L55 Altaria, L71 Milotic, L52 Grovyle, L51 Camerupt,
L50 Aggron, L51 Hariyama. Can somone help me beat them again! Any tips?
(I must have just got lucky =)
You must have been lucky with that team. You don't have to but if you have the legendary Pokemon Kyogre and Groundon, use their Ability to your advantage. My Kyogre owns everything (on sapphire) because not only is it lvl 100 but I also gave it a decent move set.

Example: What happens when you use Rain Dance, then the next turn you attack with Thunder? 100% accuracy and extra damage dealt to your opponent. Drizzle = Lots of rain and easy damage.

Example 2: Sunny Day and Solar Beam: No charge time and extra damage.

Your weakness can become your strength if you THINK.

Shadow236 June 5th, 2008 1:54 PM

I plain hate Wallace. He is the cheapest person I have ever fought!! Should I switch my
Aggron for a Illumise or other electric pokemon?

GamerFreak June 5th, 2008 2:13 PM

like another fellow trainer suggested, evolve your Groyvle, and also, teach some of your Pokemon TMs like Ice Beam for instance. Also of TMs help with certain Elite 4 members.

Also, is there a particular Elite 4 member who is causing you havoc?

Shadow236 June 5th, 2008 2:17 PM

YES, his name is WALLACE! Oh and sometimes Glacia, but don't worry about her =)

Jake♫ June 5th, 2008 2:32 PM

Use get an electric Pokemon in your team, like Manectric, it will help you beat Wallace. And if you can, grab the Dragon Claw TM from Meteor Falls and you can use that to beat Kingdra (But it's really a waste of the TM, I'd use that as a last-ditch effort). And evolve Grovyle!! It's stats will grow so much, plus there really isn't any extra move you need to wait for to evolve.

Glaceon_ June 5th, 2008 3:18 PM

Altaria for Kingdra & Ludicolo (maybe Swellow or another flyer, if you don't want to use Aerial Ace TM, because of Ludicolo's Double Team) and Manectric for pretty much the rest of his team, are a perfect combination against Wallace. Evolve Grovyle to get Sceptile, and you've got Whiscash covered. If you've got a Psychic Pokemon, like Gardevoir or Alakazam, they can cover Tentacruel, but you don't really need, if you have Manectric in your team. Avoid Altaria and Sceptile against Tentacruel and Milotic, as they both pack Ice Beam. Not that you would use them against the pair, though; both would do neutral damage to them, (aside from Sceptile, who would Super Effective hit Milotic) when you could do Super Effective with Manectric and Gardevoir, on their respective opponents.

xiraiya June 5th, 2008 3:41 PM

I found Salamance the most fun for steam rolling Wallace, perhaps you can go catch a Bagon with a suitable nature and train it up, that's just what I would do though.

Blaziken would help you a lot if you could get a hold of one since Ice & Dark types fear him.

Glaceon_ June 5th, 2008 4:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xiraiya (Post 3646978)
I found Salamance the most fun for steam rolling Wallace, perhaps you can go catch a Bagon with a suitable nature and train it up, that's just what I would do though.

Unfortunately, since you don't get Bagon until you get Waterfall, (which you don't get until after the 8th Gym) it can be a real chore to train up for competing in the Elite Four. Besides, he's got Altaria in there, which is a pretty decent alternative, in-game. The only problem I have with it is that it doesn't learn Aerial Ace naturally.

.emerald June 5th, 2008 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokefan Keith 01 (Post 3645626)
Listen to them , evolution does slightly make battles easier. Also stocking up on a lot of items will help turn tides on the battle.

Hey how did you get TWO Starters ?

duh.......i had an early trade(noOB)


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