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Animahngo June 4th, 2008 4:17 PM

What is the best pokemon type overall??
 
What Do you think it is? I'm actually doing some calculations to find out exactly which type is 'the best' type (yeah, I'm doing the dual types, as well, UGH).

But in the mean time, which do you think is the best pokemon type (including dual types) ?

xiraiya June 4th, 2008 4:28 PM

The ultimate type I imagine would be Dragon/Ice because, correct me if I'm wrong but that would mean nothing would be "super effective" against that.

Since Dragon is only weak to ice or Dragon, so ice would stop dragon being super effective and even though Ice is weak to fire I don't think it would enable "super effective" since dragon would probably counter act it I suppose another Ice/Dragon would be super effective against it but that's all.

But no Pokemon with that type as far as I know exists yet.

ClassicRockFan June 4th, 2008 4:37 PM

Yeah, but Ice is weak to Rock, Fighting, and Steel, causing the Dragon/Ice to have a weakness
But I would think that a Fighting/Flying pokemon might be handy in some situations.

xiraiya June 4th, 2008 4:41 PM

True, but doesn't dual type stop some "super effective" weaknesses of each type?.
I'd like to see a Fire/Water or Grass/Fire just to see how it would battle.

BattleBeastEXP June 4th, 2008 4:42 PM

I guess it would be Ghost and Dark, since it does not have any weakness'. Since that is a real type unlike the previous (Dragon-Ice) stated, which does not yet exist.

BREAKINGBEN June 4th, 2008 4:45 PM

Fighting/Flying is easily taken down with Psychic or Electric... but still, one less weakness than Dragon/Ice.

Ghost/Dark is the 'strongest' type if you look at the type chart. It has absolutely no weaknesses and three types are ineffective against it (Psychic, Normal, Fighting). It is followed closely by Water/Dragon which only has one weakness (Dragon).

If you use that theory, then technically, Sableye and Palkia are truly the "stongest" Pokemon... type wise.

BattleBeastEXP June 4th, 2008 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BREAKINGBEN (Post 3644074)
Fighting/Flying is easily taken down with Psychic or Electric... but still, one less weakness than Dragon/Ice.

Ghost/Dark is the 'strongest' type if you look at the type chart. It has absolutely no weaknesses and three types are ineffective against it (Psychic, Normal, Fighting). It is followed closely by Water/Dragon which only has one weakness (Dragon).

If you use that theory, then technically, Sableye and Palkia are truly the "stongest" Pokemon... type wise.

You forgot Spiritomb, which also has the types 'Ghost-Dark' and has no weaknesses, I would consider Spritomb much, much better then Sableye (from a competitive angle).

xiraiya June 4th, 2008 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BREAKINGBEN (Post 3644074)

Ghost/Dark is the 'strongest' type if you look at the type chart. It has absolutely no weaknesses and three types are ineffective against it (Psychic, Normal, Fighting).

I wonder, if a machamp or something uses "foresight" what will happen next turn? wouldn't that be super effective since Dark is weak to fighting and foresight enabling you to hit ghosts.

BREAKINGBEN June 4th, 2008 4:55 PM

Eh, too many possibilities. If someone has that criteria and wants to try it out and give us an answer, be my guest, it might actually help a lot. (I might do it in a while :D).

Whoops, completely forgot about Spiritomb. Yeah, competitive wise he would be a much better choice than Sableye... with the stats and all that...

But yeah, if anyone else has some weird scenarios... feel free to submit them. I might get around to doing some of them and we can finally answer the question of "Which type is the strongest?".

Kayke™ June 4th, 2008 5:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BREAKINGBEN (Post 3644074)
If you use that theory, then technically, Sableye and Palkia are truly the "stongest" Pokemon... type wise.

Can't forget Kingdra. Cause ya know... he's actually... well, legal. And water/dragon is fantastic typing, prolly the best out there that can actually take SE damage unlike Spiritomb and Sableye.

xiraiya June 4th, 2008 5:01 PM

I'm going to have a look into all the types as well and see what type existing & non existing is the best, I think we'll find no combination will be the best, I'm still curious though.

BREAKINGBEN June 4th, 2008 5:03 PM

I guess I'll look through all of the Water/Dragon and Ghost/Dark types and list them here... just so I don't mess up again >:O! Then we can debate on which is best type and competitive wise (since... yeah... Palkia being uber and whatnot..).

Ghost/Dark:
Sableye
Spiritomb

Water/Dragon:
Palkia
Kingdra

Animahngo June 4th, 2008 5:10 PM

These calcs are going to take a while, guys. Just so you know. You might have to check back tomorrow for my exact statistics. :P

BREAKINGBEN June 4th, 2008 5:15 PM

You can just check type charts on Serebii or Psy Pokes ya know :D! Unless... you're doing something totally different...

Animahngo June 4th, 2008 5:19 PM

Something totally different xD

I made myself a formula just for fun. I'm plugging in the numbers xD

This is ghost to take a while. There is like five values I need to find for each type 0___0

:P

itachi143 June 4th, 2008 5:20 PM

for me its ghost-dark thats the best combination

Ooka June 4th, 2008 5:53 PM

Eh, I think the best combo would be Ghost/Normal, even though it's weak to Dark it would be able to counter Gengar perfectly.

StrickeN June 4th, 2008 6:01 PM

No not really, Gengar has a very interesting move list and probably could still OHKO it

BREAKINGBEN June 4th, 2008 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xiraiya (Post 3644092)
I wonder, if a machamp or something uses "foresight" what will happen next turn? wouldn't that be super effective since Dark is weak to fighting and foresight enabling you to hit ghosts.

Going back to this thing. I decided to catch a Machop and train it to level 22 (on Sapphire) so it could learn Foresight. I then went on to face my Emerald game, which has Sableye (the Ghost/Dark) to see if this would work... here's what I got:

Ryan wants to battle!

Go! Subject A! (Machop)

Ryan sent out Sableye!

For Sableye used scratch!

A critical hit!

Subject A used Foresight! Subject A identified Sableye!

Foe Sableye used scratch!

A critical hit!

Subject A used Karate Chop!

Super Effective!

Foe Sableye used Night Shade!

Subject A fainted!

Player lost against Ryan!

In conclusion, when a fighting Pokemon, or any Pokemon using Foresight or Oder Sleuth can attack Ghost types AND the fighting move WILL be super effective.

So that gives Ghost/Dark its only weakness so far.

GeneralGuy June 4th, 2008 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stricken (Post 3644282)
No not really, Gengar has a very interesting move list and probably could still OHKO it

It is very unlikely for a competitive Gengar set to have Dark Pulse since Shadow Ball has the same coverage and gets STAB. :/

The Bringer! June 4th, 2008 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3644299)
It is very unlikely for a competitive Gengar set to have Dark Pulse since Shadow Ball has the same coverage and gets STAB. :/

It still has thunderbolt to hit it with though. I don't think it's as common but it could also use sludge bomb for stab and stuff.

Magmortified June 4th, 2008 7:50 PM

I is saddest that everybody is assuming that the supposed best type has to be defensive in nature. C'mon, folks, there's things to be said for offensive typing.

As long as we're thinking up possible dual-typing, I wanna put in something for the idea of Dragon/Fire, which'd be mean with fair enough stats. STAB on a type combination that's really only resisted by Heatran, and depending how the stats'd be arranged, a Ground move'd take care of that. Specs Overheat + Draco Meteor. =O

xiraiya June 4th, 2008 8:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmortified (Post 3644554)
I is saddest that everybody is assuming that the supposed best type has to be defensive in nature. C'mon, folks, there's things to be said for offensive typing.

As long as we're thinking up possible dual-typing, I wanna put in something for the idea of Dragon/Fire, which'd be mean with fair enough stats. STAB on a type combination that's really only resisted by Heatran, and depending how the stats'd be arranged, a Ground move'd take care of that. Specs Overheat + Draco Meteor. =O

I always felt Charizard should have been Fire/Dragon since Lance for example had one or two...

I was only speculating about Machop's foresight being "Super Effective" since people worked out regardless of the "dragon" part of my Ice/Dragon type, Fire would still send it to hell with a Super Effective hit.

So I figured using those rules, a fighting type should hit super Effective against Sableye IF you could find a way to hit the damn thing, which where trusty Foresight comes in.

I wonder how Ghost/Fighting would go haha, normal types Ultimate nightmare.


In the end, I'm starting to realize dual types while learning a much wider range of moves, also get more weaknesses in general.

Archeopterix June 4th, 2008 9:37 PM

Probably water type, it's all around versatile. If we were talking about RBY, I'd say psychic, but things have changed since then. Water is good offensively and defensively though, and can dual with many other types to gain immunities from weaknesses.

Mystery2009 June 5th, 2008 12:03 AM

my fav real type would have to be water/dragon as it only has one weakness and provides one of the bulkiest types with perhaps the most lethal types in a magical union. and it can still be taken down(....yes i mean kingdra)


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