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DavyJones4our June 7th, 2008 1:58 AM

Forest-themed team - RMT
 
So far, I've got these five, what should I put in my 6th slot? And I'd like to keep it a Grass-type if possible, I've been thinking of Abomnasnow, or one of the flowers. Note to mods, I do not consider this a battling thread, I'm not asking people to let me try this out, yet.

Torterra - Adamant w/ Lum Berry
252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 Spe
Rock Polish
Earthquake
Wood Hammer
Crunch

Ursaring - Jolly w/ Toxic Orb (Quick Feet)
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Facade
Crunch
Earthquake
Swords Dance

Swampert - Relaxed w/ Leftovers
240 HP / 216 Def / 52 SpA
Earthquake
Ice Beam
Muddy Water
Protect

Ninetales - Timid w/ Wide Lens
6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nasty Plot
Fire Blast
Energy Ball
Hypnosis

Breloom - Adamant w/ Toxic Orb (Poison Heal)
44 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Spe
Spore
Mach Punch
Seed Bomb
Stone Edge/Rock Slide

Mitchman June 7th, 2008 2:01 AM

Frikin sweet. But if its forest themed why not keckleon or houndoom. Its a wolf aint it?

XEL June 7th, 2008 2:22 AM

this belongs in strategy and movesets...

True Justice June 7th, 2008 2:28 AM

Definately one of the best teams i've ever seen. But I wouldn't recommend Abomasnow, as it takes super effective hits from 7 different types. How about Shiftry

Shiftry
6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Mild Nature
Leaf Storm
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power[Fire/Ice]
Energy Ball

LethalTexture June 7th, 2008 3:07 AM

RMT's belong in Strategies and Movesets.

*moves*

Sora_8920 June 7th, 2008 3:23 AM

What the hell is so great about Muddy Water? >_< Come on, guys. XP

Switch out Muddy Water for Surf. I stopped attempting to read it after Muddy Water.

DavyJones4our June 7th, 2008 3:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3651160)
What the hell is so great about Muddy Water? >_< Come on, guys. XP

Switch out Muddy Water for Surf. I stopped attempting to read it after Muddy Water.

For battling strategy Muddy Water has the possibility to lower the opponent's accuracy.

But in terms of why I chose it was merely to fit the theme/gimmick.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jman617 (Post 3651064)
Definately one of the best teams i've ever seen. But I wouldn't recommend Abomasnow, as it takes super effective hits from 7 different types. How about Shiftry

Shiftry
6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Mild Nature
Leaf Storm
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power[Fire/Ice]
Energy Ball

From the info I've gathered on the subject (plus that I'm relatively n00bish), I don't have the patience for any Hidden Powers. Thanks much, though.

Sora_8920 June 7th, 2008 3:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3651165)
For battling strategy Muddy Water has the possibility to lower the opponent's accuracy.

But in terms of why I chose it was merely to fit the theme/gimmick.

So basically cheap and technially "Hax." But anyway, just because it fits the theme doesn't mean it's a great move. I would give an example, but I'm still trying to "Wake up."

Azonic June 7th, 2008 3:34 AM

You definitely need some special walling. Try Blissey or Suicune, they're pretty fantastic. On Ursaring you would need Flame Orb over Toxic Orb since the Poison from the Toxic Orb inflicts damage that accelerates over turns. Within three turns, the damage you take from Toxic is already more than Burn. With that being said, Burns take less health from you and thus the Flame Orb should be used. As for Torterra, it rarely uses Rock Polish. Rock Polish is terrible on most Pokemon, and I'd highly advise you NOT to use it. Breloom rarely goes without Focus Punch. Try Spore/Substitute/Focus Punch/Seed Bomb.

DavyJones4our June 7th, 2008 3:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3651179)
So basically cheap and technially "Hax." But anyway, just because it fits the theme doesn't mean it's a great move. I would give an example, but I'm still trying to "Wake up."

How is it "hax" or cheap? It's a perfectly legitimate move that Swampert can learn. It is a great move for my team, I'm a lot more about theatrics and having fun with it instead of competing super-seriously.

Quote:

Originally Posted by clade. (Post 3651184)
You definitely need some special walling. Try Blissey or Suicune, they're pretty fantastic. On Ursaring you would need Flame Orb over Toxic Orb since the Poison from the Toxic Orb inflicts damage that accelerates over turns. Within three turns, the damage you take from Toxic is already more than Burn. With that being said, Burns take less health from you and thus the Flame Orb should be used. As for Torterra, it rarely uses Rock Polish. Rock Polish is terrible on most Pokemon, and I'd highly advise you NOT to use it. Breloom rarely goes without Focus Punch. Try Spore/Substitute/Focus Punch/Seed Bomb.

Blissey is too common and not forest-ey enough, and I don't like using legendaries.

But don't Burns lower your ATK stat? That wouldn't be all that good for my Ursaring, if it was Sp. Atk on the other hand, then I'd see where you're coming from.

I know Rock Polish isn't used much, but that's part of the appeal to me, something new, something fresh, nearly original. I think it'd be good on my Torterra.

I don't trust being able to stay in the clear long enough for Focus Punch to work, and I don't like the psychology behind Substitute.

Thanks much for the help though, it truly is appreciated.

Sora_8920 June 7th, 2008 3:43 AM

[QUOTE=DavyJones4our;3651193]How is it "hax" or cheap? It's a perfectly legitimate move that Swampert can learn. It is a great move for my team, I'm a lot more about theatrics and having fun with it instead of competing super-seriously.[/QUOTE]

Lowering people's accuracy? That's kind of like using Brightpowder. Therefore, why I considered it "Hax & cheap."

And, uh, for the bolded portion, if you're using it competively, (posting the title as "RMT.") then you won't be able to get ° A match without someone complaining, and ° A fair match since you won't be using super-competitive moves and stuff.

El Gofre June 7th, 2008 3:45 AM

You really wanna swap muddy water for surf. Theme is all well and good but not when it's lowering your chances of winning. Opponents are only going to switch out of it anyway.

But yeah, atm you need walls. Change torterra for the following:

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Impish
212HP/252Def/40Spd
Wood Hammer
Stone Edge/Earthquake
Leech seed
Stealth Rock
This poke tanks far better than it sweeps. Speed EVs to outspeed Tyranitar

As for a special wall, celebi fits in nicely, being the guardian of the forests:
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Calm
252HP/220SpDef/36Spd
Psychic/Grass Knot
Heal Bell
Leech Seed
Recover
Standard cleric set but with SpDef in the plae of defence. Leech Seed and Recover make this poke extremely difficult to shift. The speed EVs are there for a reason, though I cannot remember it :)

orangejediman June 7th, 2008 3:49 AM

Hi, um... i'm new, but...
I think abamasnow, in certain situations would be a good choice... And i'm not saying it because i'm an Ice type trainer

Sora_8920 June 7th, 2008 3:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3651193)
How is it "hax" or cheap? It's a perfectly legitimate move that Swampert can learn. It is a great move for my team, I'm a lot more about theatrics and having fun with it instead of competing super-seriously.



Blissey is too common and not forest-ey enough, and I don't like using legendaries.

But don't Burns lower your ATK stat? That wouldn't be all that good for my Ursaring, if it was Sp. Atk on the other hand, then I'd see where you're coming from.

I know Rock Polish isn't used much, but that's part of the appeal to me, something new, something fresh, nearly original. I think it'd be good on my Torterra.

I don't trust being able to stay in the clear long enough for Focus Punch to work, and I don't like the psychology behind Substitute.

Thanks much for the help though, it truly is appreciated.

Ok, I am putting this in my signature. Blissey is OU, NOT Legendary. [S]Legendary's not a tier, anyway.[/S]

Proof.

DavyJones4our June 7th, 2008 3:53 AM

[quote=Itachi 2008;3651205]
Quote:

Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3651193)
How is it "hax" or cheap? It's a perfectly legitimate move that Swampert can learn. It is a great move for my team, I'm a lot more about theatrics and having fun with it instead of competing super-seriously.[/QUOTE]

Lowering people's accuracy? That's kind of like using Brightpowder. Therefore, why I considered it "Hax & cheap."

And, uh, for the bolded portion, if you're using it competively, (posting the title as "RMT.") then you won't be able to get ° A match without someone complaining, and ° A fair match since you won't be using super-competitive moves and stuff.

I actually didn't title it RMT, a mod did...>_>

Once again, I don't see how Brightpowder would be "hax & cheap", those are things put into the game and are obtained without hacking it. It's part of a giant strategy (as I'm sure you know, it just seems like you've had one too many encounters with being dis-accuraciedishingly). Just because I don't use the commonly competitive moves, doesn't mean I won't be able to fare in competitions as well.

I've faced people from my home-message board and have done pretty well (with my pirate-themed team, mind you; but still, the whole notion of fun-first compete-second yet still being able to fair is where I'm getting at) along with the random battles on PBR.

orangejediman June 7th, 2008 3:54 AM

Ice- types would really help in a place like Eterna gym, battle zone, and abamosnow would be use ful against grounds, because it has two type advantages

DavyJones4our June 7th, 2008 3:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3651228)
Ok, I am putting this in my signature. Blissey is OU, NOT Legendary. [S]Legendary's not a tier, anyway.[/s]

Proof.

I never said Blissey was a legendary, I know it's not, I was talking about Suicune.

orangejediman June 7th, 2008 3:57 AM

umm... hi? uhhh... anybody care about my opinions? abamosnow has good attack and defense... or mine does, with no vitamins... oh and awesome special!

yea, suicune is definitly a legendary...
ummm.... so is celebi

Sora_8920 June 7th, 2008 4:00 AM

[QUOTE=DavyJones4our;3651236]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3651205)

I actually didn't title it RMT, a mod did...>_>

Once again, I don't see how Brightpowder would be "hax & cheap", those are things put into the game and are obtained without hacking it. It's part of a giant strategy (as I'm sure you know, it just seems like you've had one too many encounters with being dis-accuraciedishingly). Just because I don't use the commonly competitive moves, doesn't mean I won't be able to fare in competitions as well.

I've faced people from my home-message board and have done pretty well (with my pirate-themed team, mind you; but still, the whole notion of fun-first compete-second yet still being able to fair is where I'm getting at) along with the random battles on PBR.

1) If it's cheap, how is strategy?
Quote:

Serebii: These are all the items that relies on luck to activate. These items are:
Brightpowder, Focus Band, King's Rock, Lax Incense, Quick Claw, Razor Claw, Razor Fang and Scope Lens. (Tell me if I missed some).
Note: Scope Lens and Razor Claw are considered Hax items, but they are the only one that is accepted normally in Wi-Fi.
2) The home-message board could be full of newbs, but whatever... 3) Wtf? :3

DavyJones4our June 7th, 2008 4:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangejediman (Post 3651248)
umm... hi? uhhh... anybody care about my opinions? abamosnow has good attack and defense... or mine does, with no vitamins... oh and awesome special!

yea, suicune is definitly a legendary...
ummm.... so is celebi

Yeah as I stated before (I think) I was considering Abomnasnow, but now when I really think about it, I think the two main reasons I was looking at it was due to it being a grass-type and Wood Hammer, not sure if it'd really fit in with my team though.

[quote=Itachi 2008;3651256]
Quote:

Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3651236)

1) If it's cheap, how is strategy? 2) The home-message board could be full of newbs, but whatever... 3) Wtf? :3

1) I don't understand the question, I do apologize.

2) Possibly

3) What?

Also what makes those items "hax" if they're in the game, and available to use, without cheating?

Sora_8920 June 7th, 2008 4:07 AM

[QUOTE=DavyJones4our;3651260]Yeah as I stated before (I think) I was considering Abomnasnow, but now when I really think about it, I think the two main reasons I was looking at it was due to it being a grass-type and Wood Hammer, not sure if it'd really fit in with my team though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3651256)

1) I don't understand the question, I do apologize.

2) Possibly

3) What?

Also what makes those items "hax" if they're in the game, and available to use, without cheating?



I made an edit to my post. XP I quoted Serebii, since you seem to be needing proof...

orangejediman June 7th, 2008 4:11 AM

[quote=DavyJones4our;3651260]Yeah as I stated before (I think) I was considering Abomnasnow, but now when I really think about it, I think the two main reasons I was looking at it was due to it being a grass-type and Wood Hammer, not sure if it'd really fit in with my team though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itachi 2008 (Post 3651256)


Thanks for noticing me.... I understand what you mean and, now that IVE thought about it, it really isn't a "Forest" pokemon...
IM going.. bye

DavyJones4our June 7th, 2008 4:14 AM

[quote=orangejediman;3651276]
Quote:

Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3651260)
Yeah as I stated before (I think) I was considering Abomnasnow, but now when I really think about it, I think the two main reasons I was looking at it was due to it being a grass-type and Wood Hammer, not sure if it'd really fit in with my team though.




Thanks for noticing me.... I understand what you mean and, now that IVE thought about it, it really isn't a "Forest" pokemon...

Well, I do still see it as being Forest-ey, just not quite as what I picture when I think of the forests of Oregon or Washington, Abomnasnow comes off as being pretty damn Scandinavian, personally.

Azonic June 7th, 2008 4:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3651193)
How is it "hax" or cheap? It's a perfectly legitimate move that Swampert can learn. It is a great move for my team, I'm a lot more about theatrics and having fun with it instead of competing super-seriously.



Blissey is too common and not forest-ey enough, and I don't like using legendaries.

But don't Burns lower your ATK stat? That wouldn't be all that good for my Ursaring, if it was Sp. Atk on the other hand, then I'd see where you're coming from.

I know Rock Polish isn't used much, but that's part of the appeal to me, something new, something fresh, nearly original. I think it'd be good on my Torterra.

I don't trust being able to stay in the clear long enough for Focus Punch to work, and I don't like the psychology behind Substitute.

Thanks much for the help though, it truly is appreciated.

If the Pokemon with the Burn Orb has Guts Ability, the Attack drop is ignored and the original attack stat will multiply by 1.5. It's the same as Toxic, except less damage.

I have experience with Rock Polish, and it was a terrible one. I've tried using Rock Polish on some of my walls, and it isn't as good at it seems.

Spore/Sub/Focus Punch is a widely used strategy and arguably the best. You simply Spore first, then the opponent will stay asleep or switch out. On that turn is the time you Substitute, and you don't have to worry about the Health loss since Poison Heal restores the HP loss from Substitute in about three turns. You'll be able to get at least one Focus Punch in, which is really strong. 150 Base Power is enough, not to mention STAB. STAB makes Focus punch 225 Base Power from Breloom's high attack stat. Even if it is a not-very-effective hit, the Focus Punch is still 112 base Power.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavyJones4our (Post 3651236)

I actually didn't title it RMT, a mod did...>_>

Once again, I don't see how Brightpowder would be "hax & cheap", those are things put into the game and are obtained without hacking it. It's part of a giant strategy (as I'm sure you know, it just seems like you've had one too many encounters with being dis-accuraciedishingly). Just because I don't use the commonly competitive moves, doesn't mean I won't be able to fare in competitions as well.

Eh? "Hax" doesn't mean "Hacks", it means "Hax". Hax is when you depend purely on luck for something to work. Evasion, Accuracy, Freeze chance, anything related to luck is hax. Most trainers hate hax related things and try to avoid battles involving hax.

DavyJones4our June 7th, 2008 4:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clade. (Post 3651318)
If the Pokemon with the Burn Orb has Guts Ability, the Attack drop is ignored and the original attack stat will multiply by 1.5. It's the same as Toxic, except less damage.

I have experience with Rock Polish, and it was a terrible one. I've tried using Rock Polish on some of my walls, and it isn't as good at it seems.

Spore/Sub/Focus Punch is a widely used strategy and arguably the best. You simply Spore first, then the opponent will stay asleep or switch out. On that turn is the time you Substitute, and you don't have to worry about the Health loss since Poison Heal restores the HP loss from Substitute in about three turns. You'll be able to get at least one Focus Punch in, which is really strong. 150 Base Power is enough, not to mention STAB. STAB makes Focus punch 225 Base Power from Breloom's high attack stat. Even if it is a not-very-effective hit, the Focus Punch is still 112 base Power.

Eh? "Hax" doesn't mean "Hacks", it means "Hax". Hax is when you depend purely on luck for something to work. Evasion, Accuracy, Freeze chance, anything related to luck is hax. Most trainers hate hax related things and try to avoid battles involving hax.

Didn't know that about Guts, but I'm actually not using that one, my Ursaring is going to be having Quick Feet, will the burn still be lightened?

Hmm...once this is done, I'll try the Rock Polish for a bit, and if it's as you say, then I'll promptly and quickly take it out.

Yeah, I do understand that Breloom strategy, it's just not my style. I'm not knocking it, or anything, please don't get me wrong; it's just not my thing, it's strictly my own naive ways taking a hold of me.

Ooohhh @ hax, ok, makes some sense now. Thank you very much.

Though, I'm still on the search for a 6th member to fit my team. The two I were considering included: Vileplume or Parasect.


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