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stewie&rupert August 2nd, 2004 7:41 PM

starters
 
sceptile
leaf blade
crunch
dragon claw
detect??

blaziken
overheat
rock slide
brick break
aerial ace

swampert
earthquake
hydro pump
ice beam
brick break/curse??

Ice demon August 2nd, 2004 7:55 PM

lol the sceptile that everyone seems to be using is
Sceptile[timid]
EVs - SpAtt, Sp
substitute/protect
leech seed
dragon claw/crunch/HP ice
leaf blade

Blaziken[jolly]
EVs -Att and Sp
earthquake
overheat
rockslide
brick break/sky uppercut

Marshstomp[modest]
EVs - SpAtt, Sp and SpDef
surf
rest
earthquake
ice beam

or Marshstomp[adamant]
EVs - Att, Sp and SpDef
hydro pump
earthquake
brick break
rest..


i can't use marshstomp so use someone elses one ^_^
PS never use detect always protect..

Xilion_Sword90 August 3rd, 2004 12:54 AM

[email protected]
Protect
Substitute
Leech Seed
Dragon Claw

[email protected] Berry
Bulk Up/Quick Attack
Overheat/Flamethrower
Rock Slide/HP Grass
Brick Break/Roar

[email protected]/Chesto Berry
HP Grass/Curse/Substitute/Roar
Ice Beam/Rock Slide/Focus Punch/Toxic
Rest
Surf/Earthquake/Rock Slide

Swamperts too flexible...

Ice demon August 4th, 2004 6:53 PM

why exactly did u decided to leave leaf blade out on sceptile??
and if u have sub then why protect??

Frostweaver August 5th, 2004 12:29 AM

well I sometimes take off Leaf Blade from Sceptile, but only if I'm using a physical one with focus punch for anti Skarmbliss (who's losing its power in my mind... only to be replaced with Gengar and milotic O.o; )

Swampert is indeed flexible, and its EV is just SO HARD to use, that I can't use him at all x_x;

Ice demon August 5th, 2004 7:47 PM

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Skarmbliss shall never die
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well at least milotic and gengar are really kool but i mean skarmory and blissey are among my top 3 favs [guess no. one]

I'm sure u can use him frosty ^_^

Frostweaver August 6th, 2004 10:43 AM

It's just that Skarmbliss gets owned by fpunching Gengar so terribly that they either never appears together, or bliss is taken out for Milotic for the sake of some stronger defense against focus punch. Skarm is still used as the physical tank, but compare to Blissey's stalling power agaisnt special attack, Skarm isn't so mighty. After a buff or two, you can take down Skarm with brute force physical power. On top of that, Medicham can just start attacking immediately because he gets a free swords dance from the start. However, even if you got 3 CM with Alakazam, you can at most hurt 1/3 of Bliss's life before you get killed.

Ice demon August 6th, 2004 6:55 PM

IMO blissey rules for 2vs2 that and gengar
think about it a countering blissey can catch just about all attackers out there........................................

Toothache August 6th, 2004 7:25 PM

Nope, Ghost types are still immune to Counter. Nice try though. Although Counter has been a saviour on my Miltank, Seismic Toss works a lot better for Blissey

Ice demon August 6th, 2004 7:32 PM

Hello???????????/
i said just about all attackers out there

why doesn't anyone read my posts better??? ^_^

Frostweaver August 8th, 2004 2:57 PM

actually, Blissey with counter is gurantee OHKO if it works... 700 hp to burn off for a 1400 counter attack O_o; one of the most annoying move for that evil egg

Ice demon August 8th, 2004 3:19 PM

lol thanx for proving my point......................

the only thing that can survive a counter from blissey is a ghost type and it is immune to it................


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