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Darkrai Lv X June 26th, 2008 9:00 AM

Cloning with AR = Hacking?
 
What do you think about this problem facing the PC forum? Do you think that Cloning a Pokemon using an AR is considered 'Hacking'?

I don't.You can clone the Pokemon anyway,and if you have a Pokemon with the classic ribbon to clone,well,I don't see the difference between the AR and GTS cloning trick.

Mukkamoto June 26th, 2008 9:04 AM

GTS clongin is a glitch and is accepted by most people on the forums,
however AR cloning is sort of the same thing. i prefer AR since its faster and easier to do however not everyone is with this opinion

Horyo June 26th, 2008 9:04 AM

Well... If you mean emerald, I guess it's superfluous.

But AR use is considered hacking by most people :x

Mukkamoto June 26th, 2008 9:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horyo (Post 3705702)
Well... If you mean emerald, I guess it's superfluous.

But AR use is considered hacking by most people :x

when i used to trade over at the wireless trade section, most people accepted AR cloned pokemon and they tend to trade AR pokemon, so i see why its considered hacking =/

Yuoaman June 26th, 2008 9:10 AM

I don't consider it hacking, all it is doing is giving you more of what you've already gotten without hacking.

Horyo June 26th, 2008 9:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mukkamoto (Post 3705713)
when i used to trade over at the wireless trade section, most people accepted AR cloned pokemon and they tend to trade AR pokemon, so i see why its considered hacking =/



I just always thought people considered AR to be hacking if you use it anyways. Iono, I don't have one lol.

Crystal Shaymin June 26th, 2008 9:27 AM

no, because if AR cloning wasn't allowed, then trade threads wouldn't exist, because you would trade one event for another, then trade another fot the one you traded, so its neverending.

Anyways, No i don't consider it hacking, and its safer than the GTS because you don't run the risk of getting your pokemon taken.

Captain Fabio June 26th, 2008 9:33 AM

Technically, It is hacking. However, i don't think it is, you aren't changing any of the stats, movesets, abilities or IV's. The only advantage of doing it is maybe to have different versions of it, for example, a attacking and special attack form.
It doesn't hinder your opponent in a battle because most matches only allow one of each pokemon.
So i don't think it is.

AdvanceMapper June 26th, 2008 3:28 PM

Using AR isn't hacking! It's cheating!

Cheating only modifies minor things such as your name, what Pokemon you can get,etc.

Hacking actually goes deeper and ultimately changes your game such as pallet changes, different plots.

REMEMBER
Cheating=AR and Gameshark=Handheld Games
Hacking=ROM Games.


.......`Nuff said

Postman June 26th, 2008 3:59 PM

I dont think it is, you wont know the difference from GTS, Emerald, or AR cloning...

Maria Santos June 26th, 2008 4:07 PM

clong with the AR... Its a way of life for me. As long as its exact. Very useful when helping the underprivelaged trainers.

Captain Fabio June 26th, 2008 4:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by María la del Barrio (Post 3706759)
clong with the AR... Its a way of life for me. As long as its exact. Very useful when helping the underprivelaged trainers.

I suppose it is nice if it is used for underprivileged trainers :)

_Prince_ June 26th, 2008 4:12 PM

It's not a hack, just a simple way of cloning... so yeah.

BDT June 26th, 2008 4:24 PM

AR is fine I reckon but people making events with out classic ribbion or how wever they do it?? lol Roms whatever yup thats hacking and not Legit while AR/GTS is Legit its just a damn clone same thing, maybe it makes rare Event pokemon not rare as you can do loads of clones but yea whatever thats my opinion lol

§ώαmραrt June 26th, 2008 4:30 PM

Yes, I consider it to be.

Sacrifar June 27th, 2008 9:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mukkamoto (Post 3705701)
GTS clongin is a glitch and is accepted by most people on the forums,
however AR cloning is sort of the same thing. i prefer AR since its faster and easier to do however not everyone is with this opinion

yes it is the fastest way to clone

Smarties-chan June 27th, 2008 10:59 AM

There is absolutely nothing wrong with AR cloning. The only difference between that and GTS cloning is that with AR, it's possible to clone event Pokémon and that it's overall way more convenient and faster - neither way of duplicating a Pokémon was intended by Nintendo so I honestly don't see the difference. GTS cloning exploits a glitch in the game's coding, AR cloning can produce the same results much faster and more conveniently and there is absolutely no difference between a GTS clone and an AR clone. A Pokémon cloned with the GTS glitch is no more legit than one cloned using an Action Replay so I seriously don't understand why AR cloning would be any more wrong than GTS cloning. Soon people are probably going to start whining about how using the IV check code for the Action Replay is immoral in some way.

Dalevl June 27th, 2008 11:11 AM

While AR Cloning is an Easy and Quick way to clone pokemon, any pokemon created from it is really not legit because AR Clones are missing some data that is normally present in Normal Pokemon. R4 and Glitch Clone Pokemon do have this data since they are a complete copy of the pokemon since R4 completely copies the entire save file while GTS Cloning is basically just a Back Up Copy of the pokemon incase there are connection failures. AR Clones are new pokemon that match the original in almost every aspect but without certain data inside.

Smarties-chan June 27th, 2008 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalevl (Post 3708711)
While AR Cloning is an Easy and Quick way to clone pokemon, any pokemon created from it is really not legit because AR Clones are missing some data that is normally present in Normal Pokemon. R4 and Glitch Clone Pokemon do have this data since they are a complete copy of the pokemon since R4 completely copies the entire save file while GTS Cloning is basically just a Back Up Copy of the pokemon incase there are connection failures. AR Clones are new pokemon that match the original in almost every aspect but without certain data inside.

Do you have any proof to back up this statement?

Circuit June 27th, 2008 11:16 AM

AR cloning is a quicker way to clone yes, but it is still cheating and a way to help players win. I don't like it and a few people on here don't either I don't think.

Smarties-chan June 27th, 2008 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokefan4 (Post 3708723)
AR cloning is a quicker way to clone yes, but it is still cheating and a way to help players win. I don't like it and a few people on here don't either I don't think.

How does a Pokémon cloned with an Action Replay help a player win any more than one cloned through the GTS glitch?

Circuit June 27th, 2008 11:21 AM

No I meant actual cheating not cloning cheating. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

R.A.M. June 27th, 2008 1:33 PM

Any change in the game data, even the slightest, done by a cheating device is considered hacking. I used to reject anything cloned with AR simply because I hated, hate and will always hate hacking. But then I decided to accept them for 2 reasons:
-Classic Ribbon events can only be cloned with a cheating device.
-Just as there's no way to tell apart the clone from the original, there's no way to tell apart the AR clone from the GTS clone.
There's just no way to tell how many of my shinies were AR cloned so I decided to give up in my hate toward AR clones and simply accept them as long as they're legit.
Of course I'll always use the traditional GTS cloning but AR clones are OK with me.

OffRoadSP June 27th, 2008 3:21 PM

I guess I'm going to be the extreme minority here. AR cloning or GTS cloning, either way it's obtaining a pokemon and/or item that was not obtained under legitamite, intended conditions. I'd rather work hard to obtain everything the way it was meant to be obtained. It becomes a challenge that way. It's possible to do. Even if it means finding a way to go to events or wait eagerly for that legendary pokemon to be released. It will mean more to me when I complete my pokedex once and for all.

I think the issue is that Americans are not the target audience for these games. It is an American ideal that we must take shortcuts to get the things we want. (Lord knows I take my share of shortcuts with things, so I include myself in that statement.) I don't think Japanese culture encourages that kind of thinking. I may be wrong about that assumption, but it's my thought on the issue.

Again, this is just my opinion. Everyone plays the game in their own way, and should continue to do so as long as it's fun for them.

kinkajoukid June 27th, 2008 6:45 PM

The GTS cloning trick takes a bit of skill, but the AR haxx take $30 or whatever it is. So, it's the player's pick. :P


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