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MM_Zero July 4th, 2008 11:32 AM

this a decent enough uber team?
 
First, I'd like to say hello to everyone first, as this is my first post. 2nd, I decided to make an uber team. I know some natures aren't perfect, but I kept trying to get the good natures, but no one had it. Anyway, here goes


Latios @ Soul Dew
Docile / Levitate
Recover
Thunder
Draco Meteor
Grass Knot
4 HP, 252 Sp. atk, 252 speed

Before I say anything, I can't find a speed boosting natured one. Don't yell at me (it has the good fortune of having max speed IVs though.) Anyway, a great start with good type coverage.


Groudon @ Choice Band
Adamant / Drought
Fire Punch
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Stone Edge
252 HP, 214 Atk, 32 Def, 8 speed

Pretty much used to set up the sun, and inflict some massive damage. It also OHKO's most Blisseys (if not all.)


Ho-oh @ Choice Band
Jolly / Pressure
Sacred Fire
Return
Punishment
Earthquake
252 Atk, 4 Sp. Def, 252 Speed

I don't see stealth rock being so much of a threat, and Sacred Fire deals great damage after Groudon's Drought. Earthquake also helps. I could use a move to replace return though.


Lugia @ Leftovers
Timid / Pressure
Roost
Aeroblast
Calm Mind
Ice Beam
208 HP, 164 Def, 138 Sp. Atk

Lugia is a well balanced pokemon of mine, and can block physical, special, and can sweep after Calm Mind boosting. The idea is to switch it into things which won't hurt it too bad, and calm mind/roost up. I also made room for Aeroblast, as it does hurt after calm mind.


Blissey @ Leftovers
Careful / Serene Grace
Toxic
Thunder
Softboiled
Ice Beam
252 HP, 252 Sp. Def, 4 Sp. Atk

I didn't have too much options, but to take my OU Blissey and change the moves =(. Nevertheless, it completely walls lots of ubers, and the toxic damage does help.


Arceus @ Life Orb
Naughty / Multitype (normal type)
Earthquake
ExtremeSpeed
Swords Dance
Shadow Claw
252 HP, 252 Attack, 4 speed

Yes, I consider Arceus to be playable. Its Extremespeed with swords dance does hit very hard, and it also knows shadow claw to help against
Lugia and Giratina. I'm also thinking about giving it Iron plate to counter Rayquaza, but I'm not sure, so help me out here.
  • Have a special wall? Yes (Lugia, Blissey)
  • Have a physical wall? Yes (Lugia)
  • Have a special sweeper? Yes (Latios, Lugia)
  • Have a physical sweeper? Yes (Groudon, Ho-oh, Arceus)
  • Have resistances to Dragon, Ice, Electric, Psychic, Dark, Ghost, Bug, Fighting, Ground, Water, Fire, Steel and Rock? The team resists them all (in a way)
  • Have a Spinner? No, but I don't think many people use stealth rock in ubers (correct me if I'm wrong, just I haven't seen it on any vids yet, or on teams.
  • Have a phazer? No
  • Have a weather changer? Yes (Groudon)
  • Have a Spiker/Stealth Rocker? No
  • Have a sleep talker? No =(
Welp there we have it. I kinda wanted a unique team with my favorite ubers, and as from what I see, lots of people use different pokes then mine. I know my team probably needs a lot of fixes, so post away.

Mukkamoto July 4th, 2008 11:34 AM

Go to the S&M forum, where you will get better advice and comments since they are more experience.
and this is the wrong place to post this =/

MM_Zero July 4th, 2008 11:37 AM

Oh ok, i thought this was the right one, because I saw another thread about wi-fi teams here.

Mukkamoto July 4th, 2008 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MM_Zero (Post 3727804)
Oh ok, i thought this was the right one, because I saw another thread about wi-fi teams here.

yes, since poeple dont read rules or think where they are posting. so you can get a mod to move this thread for you =]

AJ™ July 4th, 2008 11:50 AM

Before this gets moved, why don't you have Judgement on Arceus?!
Would make a great STAB attack.

MM_Zero July 4th, 2008 11:53 AM

My Arceus is a physical variant, so Judgment wouldn't hit that hard. I have extremespeed for STAB

AJ™ July 4th, 2008 12:00 PM

Oh, i didn't realize the Physicality.
Not normal on an Arceus.
Awkwarddd...

MM_Zero July 4th, 2008 12:02 PM

actually,the swords dancing physical arceus is very common =P.

Sora_8920 July 4th, 2008 12:16 PM

Careful lowers Special Attack IIRC. Use Calm > Careful on Blissey to not reduce Ice Beam and Thunder's BP... lol

MM_Zero July 4th, 2008 12:20 PM

alright, I'll put that into mind, but as I said, I had trouble getting the ones with a good nature.

Dark Azelf July 4th, 2008 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MM_Zero (Post 3727791)


Latios @ Soul Dew
Docile / Levitate
Recover
Thunder
Draco Meteor
Grass Knot
4 HP, 252 Sp. atk, 252 speed

AHEM TIMID !! , but yeah, looks fine.


Groudon @ Choice Band
Adamant / Drought
Fire Punch
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Stone Edge
252 HP, 214 Atk, 32 Def, 8 speed

Cool


Ho-oh @ Choice Band
Jolly / Pressure
Sacred Fire
Return
Punishment
Earthquake
252 Atk, 4 Sp. Def, 252 Speed

ANOTHER Choice Bander ?


Lugia @ Leftovers
Bold / Pressure
Roost
Whirlwind / Toxic
Reflect

Ice Beam
208 HP, 164 Def, 138 Sp. Atk

Blegh @ calm mind, Reflect and its support movepool is much better. and help more against Rayquaza etc.


Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm / Natural Cure
Calm Mind / Psych UP
Thunder
Softboiled
Ice Beam / Icy Wind
252 DEF / 252 SP.DEF /6 HP


You NEED Calm mind or Psych up on Bliss in ubers or other Calm Minders just go OLOL. E.g [email protected] I find Ice Wind it awesome to slow stuff down, which is cool for team support.


Arceus @ Life Orb
Naughty / Multitype (normal type)
Earthquake
ExtremeSpeed
Swords Dance
Shadow Claw
252 HP, 252 Attack, 4 speed

Yep

Comments in bold.

This looks nice, although i would maybe make Groudon Swords Dance, 2 choice bander's are blegh.

And i would get a + speed Nature [email protected], so you can outspeed Jolly Palkia, Groudon etc and the increasing Garchomp. Jibaku's Timid Latias is in mass circulation, especially in and around smogon so you could try and get hold of one of those.

MM_Zero July 4th, 2008 12:36 PM

Alright, I'll change Groudon to swords dance. Although I personally prefer Latios over Latias though =/.

Glitter Stain July 4th, 2008 2:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MM_Zero (Post 3727967)
Alright, I'll change Groudon to swords dance. Although I personally prefer Latios over Latias though =/.

No one said anything about replacing Latios. [email protected] is the term used for both.

You really can't do anything to a Physical Kyogre as soon as your Lugia is gone. Blissey can try, but her defense makes it harder to get rid of Kyogre.

By the way, stats don't determine whether or not a Pokemon is a wall. Some are natural walls, like Blissey, but your Lugia is not a wall as its EVs and moves are sweeping. Its def stats are nice, but most uber stats are.

Ársa July 4th, 2008 6:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MM_Zero (Post 3727791)
First, I'd like to say hello to everyone first, as this is my first post. 2nd, I decided to make an uber team. I know some natures aren't perfect, but I kept trying to get the good natures, but no one had it. Anyway, here goes


Latios @ Soul Dew
Timid / Levitate
Recover
Thunder
Draco Meteor
Grass Knot
4 HP, 252 Sp. atk, 252 speed

Before I say anything, I can't find a speed boosting natured one. Don't yell at me (it has the good fortune of having max speed IVs though.) Anyway, a great start with good type coverage.

Well, I would look for a different nature. =p I'm not to sure on the EV's, but it looks ok. At least you're not an idiot and use Psychic like most others out there. :)


Groudon @ Choice Band
Adamant / Drought
Fire Punch
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Stone Edge
252 HP, 214 Atk, 32 Def, 8 speed

Pretty much used to put out the sun, and inflict some massive damage. It also OHKO's most Blisseys (if not all.)

Groudon doesn't put out sun...lol. SD/Bulk Up can go over Earthquake if you like, as it's only really necessary for Heatran.

Ho-oh @ Choice Band
Jolly / Pressure
Sacred Fire
Return
Punishment
Earthquake
252 Atk, 4 Sp. Def, 252 Speed

I don't see stealth rock being so much of a threat, and Sacred Fire deals great damage after Groudon's Drought. Earthquake also helps. I could use a move to replace return though.

Fine.


Lugia @ Leftovers
Bold / Pressure
Roost
Reflect / Light Screen
Whirlwind
Ice Beam
208 HP, 164 Def, 138 Sp. Atk

Lugia is a well balanced pokemon of mine, and can block physical, special, and can sweep after Calm Mind boosting. The idea is to switch it into things which won't hurt it too bad, and calm mind/roost up. I also made room for Aeroblast, as it does hurt after calm mind.

Lugia shouldn't be used as a Calm Minder. Reflect/Light Screen depending on how you run it. Whirlwind lets you phaze our problematic stat uppers like Groudon.


Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm / Serene Grace
Toxic
Thunder
Softboiled
Ice Beam / Icy Wind
200 HP, 92 Sp. Atk, 216 Sp. Def

I didn't have too much options, but to take my OU Blissey and change the moves =(. Nevertheless, it completely walls lots of ubers, and the toxic damage does help.


Arceus @ Life Orb
Adamant / Multitype (normal type)
Earthquake
ExtremeSpeed
Swords Dance
Shadow Claw / Overheat
252 HP, 252 Attack, 4 speed

Yes, I consider Arceus to be playable. Its Extremespeed with swords dance does hit very hard, and it also knows shadow claw to help against
Lugia and Giratina. I'm also thinking about giving it Iron plate to counter Rayquaza, but I'm not sure, so help me out here.

Extreme-Killer ftw! Adamant please and Overheat should be an option to counter Forretress, and you won't need to worry about the Sp. Atk drop cause you won't be using it all that often.
  • Have a special wall? Yes (Lugia, Blissey)
  • Have a physical wall? Yes (Lugia)
  • Have a special sweeper? Yes (Latios, Lugia)
  • Have a physical sweeper? Yes (Groudon, Ho-oh, Arceus)
  • Have resistances to Dragon, Ice, Electric, Psychic, Dark, Ghost, Bug, Fighting, Ground, Water, Fire, Steel and Rock? The team resists them all (in a way)
  • Have a Spinner? No, but I don't think many people use stealth rock in ubers (correct me if I'm wrong, just I haven't seen it on any vids yet, or on teams.
  • Have a phazer? No
  • Have a weather changer? Yes (Groudon)
  • Have a Spiker/Stealth Rocker? No
  • Have a sleep talker? No =(
Welp there we have it. I kinda wanted a unique team with my favorite ubers, and as from what I see, lots of people use different pokes then mine. I know my team probably needs a lot of fixes, so post away.

I haven't rated an Uber team in ages, so I've sorta forgotten the major counters etc. You'll have to wait for the likes of Ooka and...Aquilae perhaps, as they are the ones I know have knowledge in this area. (I think Aquilae, otherwise Dark_Azelf)

~T_S

Dark Azelf July 5th, 2008 2:03 AM

What was i going to suggest, oh thats right, you have no status absorber.

Id personally, contrary to what i suggested as i didnt see it yesterday, make Groudon Rest-Talk, so you at least have something to take status, from Darkrai etc.

[email protected]
252 HP / 176 Def / 80 Sp.D
Impish nature
- Shadow Claw / Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

MM_Zero July 5th, 2008 9:34 AM

What I actually was gunna do for a Darkrai counter was make Ho-oh forget return and give it sleep talk. Sacred Fire should OHKO most Darkrais, and Earthquake should nearly kill them.


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