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Postman August 4th, 2008 12:48 PM

You were swept by Choice band Blissey?!?!

The Graceful Assassin August 4th, 2008 1:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Postman (Post 3826062)
You were swept by Choice band Blissey?!?!

i didnt even think an offensive blissey could sweep a team.

My vote has got to be gyrados, as much as i like the deadly garchomp, Gyrados is a force to be reckoned with. Plus Intimidate can really come in handy.

Postman August 4th, 2008 1:37 PM

It cant... Unless your fighting a team of Weedles

Sora_8920 August 4th, 2008 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3825961)
Blissey. King-T's swept through mine a while back.

1.) Blissey is not a Sweeper. Period.
2.) Crappy attack status (10 Atk and 75 SpA).
3.) It has 135 Base SpD making it a special wall (10 Def gets pwned).

. August 4th, 2008 6:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3825961)
And? Loads of pokes have good attacks.My most feared sweepres woudl be..hmmm....i'm scared of most but........Blissey.King-T's swept through mine a while back.

That just proves your team was bad =/ Not that Blissey is a good (or even a) sweeper

Magmortified August 4th, 2008 8:52 PM

CMBlissey is rockin', but that's not really something that should be in a thread that specifically says, "physical sweeper." =P

Guillermo August 5th, 2008 2:03 AM

Garchomp hands down. They are the most annoying of all pokemon ( apart from maybe Blissey xD, darn that defense ) and they are usually in most teams on Shoddy. Sand Veil is the most annoying ability except maybe Sand Stream ( I love TTar though )

Also Blissey shouldn't even have any attack stats anyway so your Blissey must just have sucked xD

BeachBoy August 5th, 2008 2:26 AM

Hey, look it's S&M. 8D
 
Garchomp takes the cake for me, but I'd rather throw out other options for intimidating sweeper. (Let's just pretend it doesn't exist for a moment.) |D

Lucario - Swords Dance simply destroys unprepared teams. If's powerful, can finish a ballgame and really slaughters teams.

Gyarados - Seriously? Do I really have to say anything else? Game breaking ability, taunt, versatility from WacanDD to LO-DD to Restalk to Bulky, Gyarados is top five mosst intimidating sweeper, no doubt.

I would mention Salamence, but this is "physical sweeper" not mix or the other side of the spectrum. ): Choice Band does surprise people though, don't underestimate that. Salamence is perfectly viable for physical or special, so I'd rather mention it in an "overall" thread. XD

Divine~Deoxys August 5th, 2008 10:48 AM

OK,everyody's angry with me now,so i'll puit my most feared physical sweepres:

Gyarados:Isn't everyone afraid of it?
Tyranitar:I can deal with quite easily,but god,is it good at hurting stuff.
SDLuke:Never batteled one,sounds scary though

Valarauca August 5th, 2008 10:52 AM

charzard a.k.a bellyzar what are you gonna do

Anti August 5th, 2008 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman080 (Post 3829008)
charzard a.k.a bellyzar what are you gonna do

Wall it.

BellyZard is honestly major fail unless you have a really poorly-designed team. Bulky waters still wall it and Stealth Rocks and priority moves destroy it.

YOOM-TAH August 5th, 2008 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pokemaniacjason (Post 3815093)
destiny bond usually works very well with something very fast but frail like froslass or gengar. this is because they can get the first move and get the bond out, then the obvious super effective (or non) attack will some and kill it. wobbuffet lacks speed and is very bulky, so when your oppenent sees the destiny bond on the second turn, they will switch out :)

Except you can't switch out against Wobbuffet. Shadow Tag? Unless you Baton Pass, that is.

Valarauca August 5th, 2008 12:51 PM

I don't like how this discussion is progressing, it looks like intimidation is defined as how hard it is to counter something, which is more like power or move set, so under our this pretenses a mixed uber will win out...

Inimidation should be defined as how scarry something is when it hits the field, or how fast you think, "What the heck is my counter!"

Sora_8920 August 5th, 2008 1:03 PM

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Originally Posted by YOOM-TAH (Post 3829216)
Except you can't switch out against Wobbuffet. Shadow Tag? Unless you Baton Pass, that is.

Or use Shed Shell...

Anyway, for me, it's Bite Gyara; my old team was weak to it. Not sure of the counters to it, though, so I can't fix that. I can't fix it anyway since it was somehow deleted. o.O

Anti August 5th, 2008 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowman080 (Post 3829374)
I don't like how this discussion is progressing, it looks like intimidation is defined as how hard it is to counter something, which is more like power or move set, so under our this pretenses a mixed uber will win out...

Inimidation should be defined as how scarry something is when it hits the field, or how fast you think, "What the heck is my counter!"

First of all, this is the most intimidating physical sweeper thread, not sweeper in general, so mixed are out of the picture. Being a mixed sweeper doesn't automatically mean you have less counters anyways. DD Gyarados has fewer counters than MixApe.

Honestly I don't get what you're saying though. It's basically "what physical sweeper do you fear the most." It's a pretty straightforward thing >_>

Adding Salamence to the conversation. Without SR everywhere Salamence would probably see even more usage. Its physical sets can be walled, but many of those pokemon won't want to switch in fearing a Specs or Life Orb Draco Meteor. This can but Salamence an ever-important extra turn of set-up. Salamence is easily one of the most diverse pokemon in the game (something that Garchomp and Gyarados cannot boast) and its defensive typing isn't exactly shabby.

YOOM-TAH August 5th, 2008 2:00 PM

Since I thought of this sooner, might as well bring it up. I'm a sort of noob to all this (I hate competitive battling when it actually comes to doing it, but I love reading/discussing it), so someone can probably refute this easily.

Counter to Garchomp when it first comes out. Since it's going to use a turn to use SD, switch to Wobbuffet. Then immediately switch out to Milotic. Shadow Tag carries over to trap Garchomp, then survive whatever hit comes, and Ice Beam him to death. Pretty sure no one packs a Garchomp with Baton Pass...that is if it can even learn it in the first place.

Does that work?

. August 5th, 2008 2:11 PM

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Originally Posted by YOOM-TAH (Post 3829541)
Since I thought of this sooner, might as well bring it up. I'm a sort of noob to all this (I hate competitive battling when it actually comes to doing it, but I love reading/discussing it), so someone can probably refute this easily.

Counter to Garchomp when it first comes out. Since it's going to use a turn to use SD, switch to Wobbuffet. Then immediately switch out to Milotic. Shadow Tag carries over to trap Garchomp, then survive whatever hit comes, and Ice Beam him to death. Pretty sure no one packs a Garchomp with Baton Pass...that is if it can even learn it in the first place.

Does that work?

Um...SD Garchomp OHKO's or 2HKO's any Milotic.

Dark Azelf August 5th, 2008 2:13 PM

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Originally Posted by YOOM-TAH (Post 3829541)
Since I thought of this sooner, might as well bring it up. I'm a sort of noob to all this (I hate competitive battling when it actually comes to doing it, but I love reading/discussing it), so someone can probably refute this easily.

Counter to Garchomp when it first comes out. Since it's going to use a turn to use SD, switch to Wobbuffet. Then immediately switch out to Milotic. Shadow Tag carries over to trap Garchomp, then survive whatever hit comes, and Ice Beam him to death. Pretty sure no one packs a Garchomp with Baton Pass...that is if it can even learn it in the first place.

Does that work?

No.

It will switch out the proceeding turn you switch wobby out, as Shadow Tag is no longer in effect...



Also what has this got to do with the current topic ? Nothing. Simple Q+A thread next time please.

airconditioning August 5th, 2008 4:10 PM

There's also the possibility of it being CBChomp, or SubSD-Yache Chomp, which kinda screws over that strategy. Of course, the thing that screws it over the most is the whole 'Wobbuffet being Uber' thing.

flamehaze94 August 5th, 2008 7:13 PM

There's no specified tier so I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say you implied OU tier. That being said, you simply can't argue against Garchomp whatsoever, sure Gyarados and Lucario are potent threats, but don't even come close to the sheer game changing power Garchomp has right now.

. August 5th, 2008 7:24 PM

Agreed, Garchomp not only has the second most powerful EQ in the OU metagame (tied with Mamo and below Rhyperior) he also has an incredible stat distribution, coupled with a movepool that any dragon would envy. Sand Veil is just a slap to the face to his "counters" due to the possibility of their moves missing becomes more likely in the Sandstorm. Yache Berry lowers his most common weakness, anything that is not steel will not like taking SD or CB Outrage, making a 2HKO very likely on things like Vaporeon, Starmie, Deoxys-e, etc...

YOOM-TAH August 6th, 2008 12:11 PM

It has plenty to do with the topic, because it's about a counter to Garchomp.

Also, according to Serebii, if Wobbuffet switches out, Shadow Tag is still in effect. That's the whole reason I brought it up.

Sora_8920 August 6th, 2008 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by YOOM-TAH (Post 3833383)
It has plenty to do with the topic, because it's about a counter to Garchomp.

Also, according to Serebii, if Wobbuffet switches out, Shadow Tag is still in effect. That's the whole reason I brought it up.

Nope; the effect is removed after if it switches.

Anyway, since I didn't get to mention it before, the second most intimidating is probably Garchomp obviously. Sand Veil coupled with two powerful STAB moves and little counters = kthxbai. SD + LO = gg OU metagame.

Anti August 6th, 2008 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by . t R U T H (Post 3833429)
SD + LO = gg OU metagame.

Um no. Cresselia can stand up to the ever-powerful SD LO Outrage and OHKO it with Ice Beam. There are walls that can stand up to its power in OUs for sure. The problematic Garchomp is the Yachechomp with Outrage. Every other set has counters.

Sora_8920 August 6th, 2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti Pop Culture Warrior (Post 3833447)
Um no. Cresselia can stand up to the ever-powerful SD LO Outrage and OHKO it with Ice Beam. There are walls that can stand up to its power in OUs for sure. The problematic Garchomp is the Yachechomp with Outrage. Every other set has counters.

Right. I retract my previous statement, then. ;) Regardless, Garchomp is still something to fear if you're not prepared for it, especially the one you mentioned in particular; Yache Berry Garchomp.


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