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Taunt isn't nearly as devistating as you're trying to make out. If you've actually used Bulkydos with Taunt, you would realize it actually isn't used all that much. The point of LO DD Gyarados is the hit hard and fast, and overwhelm teams. It runs far more speed than the Taunt sets, meaning after a Dragon Dance it outspeeds many common threats, and with the increased attack is also able to dispose of them easier. Life Orb only adds to this. Taunt is only really useful for stopping phazers and status users from halting Gyarados, but with an attack stat topping at 545 after a Dragon Dance, and including the Life Orb increase, it seriously hurts stuff. It also defeats its original counters, for a Celebi without Reflect or Thunder Wave is immediately buried, and one with Reflect only defeats Gyarados with above 80% health.
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I'd have to say my pick is LO Gyara for reasons already stated...tbh i havent had alot of trouble getting around Yache chomp...it's so standard...
In some ways i fear Infernape...because i've just seen the craziest sets ranging from Scarf with U-turn to the standard mixape...i've seen a guy use a specs all-out attack mixape 0.0...just my experiences with Infernape make me afraid of him seeing as how without my counter i actually would be mixape weak... |
But that is the point...without a Garchomp counter, you are Garchomp weak. Without a Heracross counter, your are Heracross weak. Without an Infernape counter, you are Infernape weak.
OF COURSE YOU'LL BE WEAK IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COUNTER, THAT'S WHY WE CALL IT A COUNTER...>_> But yes, thankyou for agreeing, and not posting the standard 'OMFG!!!one11!oneone garchomp is ezy 2 beet, ice ataks beet it ezy!!!11!!1oneoneoneoneoneoneoneoneoneoneoneon' ~T_S |
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most intimidating?
Gyarados. (yes, this is a bad pun on it's ability.) oh yes, & salamence. (it too have the ability intimidate!) |
Remember, don't downplay Bulkydos. It's meant to play the more defensive role. I use it in conjuntion with my Bulky grass, and use SD Luke (my current favorite sweeper) to decimate teams.
I also say SD luke as a intimidating sweeper. OF THE LATE GAEMZ |
well, my teams just happen to have more trouble with taunt-a-dros than LO gyarados.
a t-waved gyarados is good as gone, and sleep also stops it effectively. i'd say taunt is pretty useful, even if not to prevent set ups, to prevent status. |
And promoting free switch-ins.
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Still, in today's powerful and fast metagame (and SR-infested), bulky gyarados has lost some effectiveness. Bulky Gyarados used to be a lot better than it is now. Kind of like how stall was popular after obi's stall team and then the crazy train went off the rails, so to speak. Considering this is a thread about "the most intimidating physical sweeper," regardless of how effective Tauntrados might seem to you DD LO Gyarados is clearly a better sweeper, with better coverage and much more raw power. |
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but you're right. LO gyarados would be the better sweeper if we're talking about raw power because it has the stats. raw power is just that though, and i would find a taunt-a-dros more intimidating. whenever i run into an unsuspecting taunt-a-dros who used taunt on me, i just bang my head because i might have just given him a few extra turns to set up DD for the sweep. |
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Hey, ease off C-Dog, he did admit his mistake. Everyone else posted along with him.
Anywho, are we only allowed Physical sweepers? Because to me, I say Heatran, Azelf, & Raichu as special of my choice. I don't want a long rant about why Raichu is a bad sweeper, ya nutsack, I like it. Swept a team with a few times :/. EDIT:Oh, that nutsack shtick wasn't on you, Vance, just anyone bugging me with a 5 paragragh essay on why Raichu sux. |
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Raichu is actually pretty damn scary with Reversal D= Reversal/Sub/Agility/Tbold |
Special sweepers, by nature, are just less intimidating. Not only do most lack that ability, but Special sweepers are just OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL'd by Blissey. :/
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With the extra slot and extra power, Gyarados can afford to get statused or PHazed by a few uncommon things. If it runs the bulky tauntrados deal, then it's going to lose to a lot of what you see in today's metagame - sweepers. Not many pokemon can sweep with only two moveslots for attacks, and Gyarados isn't really one of them. |
Im also pretty scared of metagross, the only fire types I have Evd are a shiny Charizard, shiny Arcanine, a Shiny Ninetales that I dont want anymore and a Camerupt.
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Meh I've already stated that min my opinion it is SD Garchomp but I'm going to go ahead and give out an honorable mention to Metagross. A total base stat of 600 is nothing to smirk at, also backed by a 135 base atack stat. All of it's stats except its speed are above average and it comes with Agility. It also has bulky defense stats and good typing giving it a chance to set up an agility. Something a lot of sweepers can't say. It only has 2 weaknesses, and fire isn't that widespread, and Garchomp and cursepert are among the only pokemon that can brag the ability to OHKO it with an Earthquake. Sure it's STAB type coverage isn't all that great but only a handful of pokemon can stand up to both Meteor Mash and Earthquake (and they get hit for at least neutral damage from thunderpunch).
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and yes, aromatherapy is exactly what i want from you because it gives me time to set up. the turns that you're using aromatherapy and maybe try to throw in a twave to be cute, i would be setting up for the kill. and gyara does not like switching into stealth rocks especially if it's losing 10% of its health on every hit already. that's why status works really well on gyarados w/o taunt. @anti: yes i have played some of the current metagame on smogon, and i noticed it's gotten a lot weaker. i haven't played in over a year and i was still destroying opponents with my Brock team. Brock only has like.. 7 useable pokemon so I didn't have a whole lot to choose from. Still went 5-1 on the first day I came back though only losing the first game. |
Status works well on Gyarados without Taunt, but even if you try to set up on Aromatherapy the metagame is swarming with revenge killers.
Basically, Gyarados can't even sweep the sweepers in today's metagame (which is kind of sad) with two moveslots for attacking and a bulky EV spread. It needs Life Orb and 3 attacks to beat what it has to. I ask you, what is more common? Sweepers or status inducers? Gyarados needs to worry about the former a lot more. Also the extra power and coverage helps against walls that aren't trying to status you, such as Celebi. |
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And how do you come to that bold asumption? Personally, I thought this was all in perspective to the poster. I suppose we must all unanimouly agree on one sweeper as best? Buliky is no sweeper, but he certainly isn't weak. He is the more defensive Gya, and hits hard enough for an defensive poke.
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We were talking about what we felt as the more intimidating sweeper. Not what Anti-I mean, what is the universal best sweeper ever. Do you feel LO Gya as the best sweeper over Chomp, as quoted earier? Then you have a discussion.
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