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Romo_Owens August 6th, 2008 9:48 PM

I need a filler!!!
 
I have spent the past few months creating a standard team that works for me and finally I am complete. However, I've run into a problem after I tried it out I guess this could go ito a rate my team thing but I need some advise heres how my team looks:

Hippowdon- Impish
252 hp/252 def/4atk
Leftovers
-stealth rock
-Ice Fang
-Earthquake
-slack off

Garchomp- Jolly
252 atk/252 spd/4def
Bright Powder
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Fire Fang

Milotic- Calm
252 hp/252 sp. def/4 sp. atk
Salac Berry (after dropping to 1/3 a salac boost will raise my speed letting me recover my damage before i get hit again, thus increasing my survivability)
-Surf
-Recover
-Hypnosis
-Ice Beam (should I change it to Dragon pulse?)

Porygon Z- Bashful
252 sp. atk/252 spd/4 def
Focus Sash
-Nasty Plot
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Tri Attack

Gengar- Timid
252 sp. atk/252 spd/4hp
Wide Lens
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb
-Focus Blast
-Hypnosis

Heracross- Adamant
252 atk/252spd/4hp
Choice Scarf
-Close Combat
-Megahorn
-Stone Edge
-Pursuit

Of course there are a lot of little things that you can judge about my team such as the bashfulness of my P-Z but the main concern I've found is a big one. As you can see Hippowdon, who I start off with immediately to throw on Stealth Rock kicks off a sandstorm. The problem is that Garchomp, which is the core of my team is the only other pokemon resistant to the sandstorm (and it's whole trategy with Bright powder+Sand veil is built around it). I need a pokemon that will replace one of mine that is resistant to sandstorm, and it has to be either a special wall or special sweeper.
I've broken my options down to:

Claydol, a rapid spinner and a decent special wall. The only problem is, with Claydol, Ice takes out 50% of my team, and with the abundance of ice attacks I can't have that.

Jirachi, a good all round pokemon with good potential as a Calm Mind Special wall.

Lucario, a pokemon with good typing and movepool but it just doesn't have the stats to viably replace my 2 powerhouses of special attackers.

Heatran, a strong special sweeper with good typing but a 400% weakness to ground and slow speed really damage it.

Mangezone- Same thing as Heatran despite good counter for many steel types especially skarmory.

That's all I can think of if anyone elsse has any opinion/suggestions on this, please, I would love to hear them.

Skip Shot August 7th, 2008 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romo_Owens (Post 3834698)
I have spent the past few months creating a standard team that works for me and finally I am complete. However, I've run into a problem after I tried it out I guess this could go ito a rate my team thing but I need some advise heres how my team looks:

Hippowdon- Impish
252 hp/252 def/4atk
Leftovers
-stealth rock
-Ice Fang
-Earthquake
-slack off k

Garchomp- Jolly
252 atk/252 spd/4def 4 hp
Bright Powder Brightpowder is ew. Scarf or Band this Chomp. Also, you want hp EVs in there.
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Fire Fang

Milotic- Calm
252 hp/252 sp. def/4 sp. atk
Salac Berry (after dropping to 1/3 a salac boost will raise my speed letting me recover my damage before i get hit again, thus increasing my survivability) Wont increase it enough. Leftovers pl0x.
-Surf
-Recover
-Hypnosis
-Ice Beam (should I change it to Dragon pulse?)

Porygon Z- Bashful
252 sp. atk/252 spd/4 def
Focus Sash Focus Sash on a Z with SS out doesnt make sense to me. Slap a Life Orb on it.
-Nasty Plot
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Tri Attack

Gengar- Timid
252 sp. atk/252 spd/4hp
Wide Lens
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb Thunderbolt
-Focus Blast
-Hypnosis

You'll want T-bolt for coverage, and Sludge Bomb is a pretty bad STAB imo.

Heracross- Adamant
252 atk/252spd/4hp
Choice Scarf
-Close Combat
-Megahorn
-Stone Edge
-Pursuit
K.

Of course there are a lot of little things that you can judge about my team such as the bashfulness of my P-Z but the main concern I've found is a big one. As you can see Hippowdon, who I start off with immediately to throw on Stealth Rock kicks off a sandstorm. The problem is that Garchomp, which is the core of my team is the only other pokemon resistant to the sandstorm (and it's whole trategy with Bright powder+Sand veil is built around it). I need a pokemon that will replace one of mine that is resistant to sandstorm, and it has to be either a special wall or special sweeper.
I've broken my options down to:

Claydol, a rapid spinner and a decent special wall. The only problem is, with Claydol, Ice takes out 50% of my team, and with the abundance of ice attacks I can't have that.

Jirachi, a good all round pokemon with good potential as a Calm Mind Special wall.

Lucario, a pokemon with good typing and movepool but it just doesn't have the stats to viably replace my 2 powerhouses of special attackers.

Heatran, a strong special sweeper with good typing but a 400% weakness to ground and slow speed really damage it.

Mangezone- Same thing as Heatran despite good counter for many steel types especially skarmory.

That's all I can think of if anyone elsse has any opinion/suggestions on this, please, I would love to hear them.

Commnets in bold. Being resistant to sandstorm isn't much of a problem imo.

Stronkadonk August 7th, 2008 2:21 PM

I agree with HardCoreRock. That would make your team much better.

ThePlaya August 9th, 2008 5:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romo_Owens (Post 3834698)
I have spent the past few months creating a standard team that works for me and finally I am complete. However, I've run into a problem after I tried it out I guess this could go ito a rate my team thing but I need some advise heres how my team looks:

Hippowdon- Impish
252 hp/252 def/4atk
Leftovers
-stealth rock
-Ice Fang
-Earthquake
-slack off

Good


Garchomp- Jolly
252 atk/252 spd/4def
Bright Powder/Life Orb I'll just say the same thing hardc0rerock said. Or you can just run with Swords Dance and Life Orb
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance
-Fire Fang

Milotic- Calm
252 hp/252 sp. def/4 sp. atk
Leftovers
-Surf
-Recover
-Hypnosis
-Ice Beam (should I change it to Dragon pulse?)Nope. Ice Beam would be much better since it is 4x effective on most Dragons. And Ice Beam has better coverage.

Porygon Z- Bashful
252 sp. atk/252 spd/4 HP
Life Orb Same reason Hardcorerock gave
-Nasty Plot
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Tri Attack

Gengar- Timid
252 sp. atk/252 spd/4hp
Wide Lens
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt
-Focus Blast
-Hypnosis

All you need is Tbolt and your set

Heracross- Adamant
252 atk/252spd/4hp
Choice Scarf
-Close Combat
-Megahorn
-Stone Edge
-Pursuit

Good

Of course there are a lot of little things that you can judge about my team such as the bashfulness of my P-Z but the main concern I've found is a big one. As you can see Hippowdon, who I start off with immediately to throw on Stealth Rock kicks off a sandstorm. The problem is that Garchomp, which is the core of my team is the only other pokemon resistant to the sandstorm (and it's whole trategy with Bright powder+Sand veil is built around it). I need a pokemon that will replace one of mine that is resistant to sandstorm, and it has to be either a special wall or special sweeper.
I've broken my options down to:

Claydol, a rapid spinner and a decent special wall. The only problem is, with Claydol, Ice takes out 50% of my team, and with the abundance of ice attacks I can't have that.

Jirachi, a good all round pokemon with good potential as a Calm Mind Special wall.

Lucario, a pokemon with good typing and movepool but it just doesn't have the stats to viably replace my 2 powerhouses of special attackers.

Heatran, a strong special sweeper with good typing but a 400% weakness to ground and slow speed really damage it.

Mangezone- Same thing as Heatran despite good counter for many steel types especially skarmory.

That's all I can think of if anyone elsse has any opinion/suggestions on this, please, I would love to hear them.

Changes and bold and I really recommend Cradily for the poke resistant to SS.
This is what I run and it is very very very VERY useful in a SandStorm. It scares off Swamperts and, if you predict correctly, HP Ice on incoming Dragon Pokes *coughSalamencecoughGarchomp*and making them think twice about setting up on you and sweeping since this baby can take a hit.

[email protected]
Ability:Suction Cups
Nature:Calm
EV's:252 HP, 158 Defense, 100 Sp.Def
-Energy Ball
-HP Ice
-Recover
-Protect/Toxic

I run Protect on mine since it works better than toxic on my team since Toxic Spikes already poisons them(my foretress's toxic spike). And it also gives me a free turn to recover some HP with lefties and my opponent takes some SS damage. It also lets me know what move my opponent will use next. But I recommend Toxic on this team to kill some Special walls slowly but quick and being able to recover HP. Or just to poison any poke you feel like Poisoning :P! And don't let him take a toxic or else it will not be able to stall or it will just cripple him. I suggest if you predict it coming, switch into something else to absorb it.....possibly Gengar.>_>
Hopefully I was of some help
Oh, and BTW, this guy always annoys the hell out of people. Sometimes they just quit on me when I they can't seem to take this guy down(which is most of time that they can't).

Skip Shot August 9th, 2008 8:21 AM

Cradily- most underrated tank of all time.
I use a different set when I run cradily for max recovery, you could consider it(or go with Playa's. It's pretty good 2.)

[email protected] Leftovers
Calm Nature
Suction Cups
252 HP/ 158 Def/ 100 Sp. Def.

Ingrain
Recover
HP Ice/ Toxic
Energy Ball

People hate it when this guy comes in, ingrains in their faces, walls the opposing team, and is constantly restoring health. A stall team favorite of mine.

boo836 August 9th, 2008 9:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by assassinfred (Post 3842935)
Good team.


Not really, Pory-Z wants Modest or timid, not bashful, neutral natures suck cause of no boosts.


Also, Brightpowder is hax and no one will really battle you.

Milotic wants the rest talker to actually get a boost from mavel scale. Also, leftovers please, You want more healing, besides, any phazer like skarm justs roars you away.

Sora_8920 August 9th, 2008 11:55 AM

Yeah, like boo said; go Timid or Modest on Failigon-ZPorygon-Z.

Also, Focus Sash is meh Porygon-Z as it gets hit by SS and Hail. Since Porygon-Z has NP, go Timid >> Modest
.

NerdSparks August 10th, 2008 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romo_Owens (Post 3834698)
I have spent the past few months creating a standard team that works for me and finally I am complete. However, I've run into a problem after I tried it out I guess this could go ito a rate my team thing but I need some advise heres how my team looks:

Hippowdon- Impish
252 hp/252 def/4atk
Leftovers
-stealth rock
-Ice Fang
-Earthquake
-slack off

Garchomp- Jolly
252 atk/252 spd/4def
Bright Powder
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Fire Fang

not a fan of bright powder but its ok

Milotic- Calm
252 hp/252 sp. def/4 sp. atk
Salac Berry (after dropping to 1/3 a salac boost will raise my speed letting me recover my damage before i get hit again, thus increasing my survivability)
-Surf
-Recover
-Hypnosis
-Ice Beam (should I change it to Dragon pulse?)

go with bold same ev spread, and leftovers

Porygon Z- Bashful
252 sp. atk/252 spd/4 def
Focus Sash
-Nasty Plot
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Tri Attack

you probably want to get dark pulse in there somewhere but your choice, also go timid



Gengar- Timid
252 sp. atk/252 spd/4hp
Wide Lens
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb
-Focus Blast
-Hypnosis

thunderbolt over sludgebomb


Heracross- Adamant
252 atk/252spd/4hp
Choice Scarf
-Close Combat
-Megahorn
-Stone Edge
-Pursuit

looks good but night slash over pursuit since your not banded imo


Of course there are a lot of little things that you can judge about my team such as the bashfulness of my P-Z but the main concern I've found is a big one. As you can see Hippowdon, who I start off with immediately to throw on Stealth Rock kicks off a sandstorm. The problem is that Garchomp, which is the core of my team is the only other pokemon resistant to the sandstorm (and it's whole trategy with Bright powder+Sand veil is built around it). I need a pokemon that will replace one of mine that is resistant to sandstorm, and it has to be either a special wall or special sweeper.
I've broken my options down to:

Claydol, a rapid spinner and a decent special wall. The only problem is, with Claydol, Ice takes out 50% of my team, and with the abundance of ice attacks I can't have that.

Jirachi, a good all round pokemon with good potential as a Calm Mind Special wall.


i say go with jirachi for the extra ice resist and you can use him as a wish passer



Lucario, a pokemon with good typing and movepool but it just doesn't have the stats to viably replace my 2 powerhouses of special attackers.

Heatran, a strong special sweeper with good typing but a 400% weakness to ground and slow speed really damage it.

Mangezone- Same thing as Heatran despite good counter for many steel types especially skarmory.

That's all I can think of if anyone elsse has any opinion/suggestions on this, please, I would love to hear them.

my corrections are underlined the overall team looks good i only had a few corrections

Romo_Owens August 11th, 2008 10:40 PM

I've gotten a lot of comments on the bashful P-Z. Honestly, Porygon is a Pokemon that has a 5% chance of running into him at the Mansion, and thats on the lucky day where you have the oppurtunity to catch him. It takes less time to breed for flawless IVs and Nature. I have spent the past week breeding for a Jolly Gible with 25+ speed and attack IVs and still no luck. A 5% chance of catching a pokemon with the nature I want and the right IVs? I'll stick with my bashful one thanks.

Archer August 12th, 2008 3:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romo_Owens (Post 3851464)
I've gotten a lot of comments on the bashful P-Z. Honestly, Porygon is a Pokemon that has a 5% chance of running into him at the Mansion, and thats on the lucky day where you have the oppurtunity to catch him. It takes less time to breed for flawless IVs and Nature. I have spent the past week breeding for a Jolly Gible with 25+ speed and attack IVs and still no luck. A 5% chance of catching a pokemon with the nature I want and the right IVs? I'll stick with my bashful one thanks.

Yeah, look sorry but you'll want a Modest or Timid PorygonZ. If you are really concerned, then any +Spd/+SAtk natures should be ok if they don't conflict. Porygon is also breedable with Ditto, so give Modest/Timid Ditto an Everstone and breed away...

Hippowdon - Fine. Watch out for Taunting Bronzong leads, they shut you down.

Garchomp -
Yache Berry please. Swords Dance will achieve better results over Stone Edge or Fire Fang, but Fire Fang gives better coverage where you need it.

Milotic - Milotic can't cut it as a Special Wall in this heavy hitting environment. Grass and Electric Weaknesses really make it easy to bring down. 252 HP / 252 Def & Bold makes it a decent Bulky Water. Ice Beam is usually better than Dragon Pulse. Anything you can't hit, you probably shouldn't be using Dragon Pulse for. I would suggest HP [Electric] but you don't want to breed for it...

Porygon-Z - Apart from the nature, Focus Sash is probably less useful than Life Orb, as there is nothing stopping that same threat hitting you again after a NP. Dark Pulse can be good for Ghosts, but you want decent prediction as Gengar is likely to hit you back with Focus Sash. Scarf-Z is probably the most popular today as it can actually outspeed things.

Gengar - Wide Lens only gives 10% extra accuracy, where Life Orb is worth the Extra Damage. Also, Sludge Bomb is rather useless - it only hits Grass types for SE. Thunderbolt > Sludge Bomb please.

Heracross - Looks really good. Pursuit is actually useful, even with Scarf, as you can still catch things on their way out, and you'll only need it for fragile Ghosts/Psychics as Megahorn hits the Bulky Psychics.

The team is ok, but I suggest a better Special Wall such as Blissey or Snorlax. Snorlax is probably better as you don't need a cleric as much with Hera around.

I suggest trying Shoddy Battle if you want to test teams and watch experienced battlers.


@lilsparks - Please try to avoid quoting a whole team to make small comments, it takes up heaps of room...

Ársa August 12th, 2008 3:59 AM

Taunting Bronzong leads? Ummm...righto. >_<

~T_S

Archer August 12th, 2008 4:27 AM

I meant you can't really do anything to one of the most common leads. More advice than a set problem. Ignore anything stupid I said, I am tired.

Romo_Owens August 12th, 2008 12:14 PM

@ Archer

That's where you're wrong. Getting a Cleric would come useful for my team because as you have probably already figured out, i can't stand breeding, and after days and days of trying to get a good heracross, I finally ran into an Adamant Heracross with flawless speed IVs and 29 attack IVs. The only catch was that it's ability is swarm. I figured that even though guts is one f the things that makes Heracross, it would be a while until I run into another Heracross this strong so I said screw it so my Heracross has Swarm not Guts.

sims796 August 12th, 2008 12:20 PM

No, then you muight as well throw that Hera away, or forfiet as soon as he gets statused. A Gutless Hera is a sad Hera. Ask Hera.

c_dog August 12th, 2008 1:21 PM

cradily fails miserably... seriously, cradily has decent defense so it can be a decent wall, but it just doesn't hit anybody hard enough. nobody is scared of cradily because cradily isn't taking down anybody, so while it tries to dish out attacks, opponents will be 'lol it doesn't hurt at all' and set up in its face. cradily also can't recover from status which means if it gets toxic it's not going to do much walling. again, cradily fails. it might be better in UU against pokemon with weaker stats where its attacks can do a bit of damage, but in OU it's not going to do anything for you i'm afraid.

sims796 August 12th, 2008 2:52 PM

I'd normally coise you outr for saying that, but you are right. My dear Cradily isn't strong enough, & is Taunt weak.

Skip Shot August 12th, 2008 4:35 PM

Quote:

A Gutless Hera is a sad Hera. Ask Hera
(Hera screams and runs away when interviewer mentions swarm)
So True. Guts is Heracross' calling card, becasue it can use it with a falme/toxic orb and boost up facade.

I would say either keep looking for a powerful Guts Cross, or just find Shoddy battle and play on that. Don't play on Smogon server, becasue Smogon freaks love to ban thins that will ruin most teams, like Wobby and Arceus in Uber, and Chompy for OU.

Also, his special wall isn' much of one until Marvel Scale kicks in, and it still won;t do much. I would actually put something that can absorb more attacks than Milo. The majorit of your team is Grass Knot Mixape weak. I don;t know if ppl on wi-fi run that, but jic, find Cresselia, catch it, and go Psychic/Reflect/Charge Beam/ Moonlight.

ThePlaya August 12th, 2008 5:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c_dog (Post 3853032)
cradily fails miserably... seriously, cradily has decent defense so it can be a decent wall, but it just doesn't hit anybody hard enough. nobody is scared of cradily because cradily isn't taking down anybody, so while it tries to dish out attacks, opponents will be 'lol it doesn't hurt at all' and set up in its face. again, cradily fails. it might be better in UU against pokemon with weaker stats where its attacks can do a bit of damage, but in OU it's not going to do anything for you i'm afraid.

"Anything capable of taking special hits for your team, in order to give your team some survival or force a switch. Often walls have a health recovery move to give them lasting power. Blissey is an example of a special wall."
Cradily doesn't fail at all. He asked for a special wall so I gave him one. That EV spread that I gave him with that nature gets him up to 260-268 Defense and 450 Special Defense(with decent IV's in both)with the SandStorm. And it has 378 HP. There's no way you can say that Cradily fails as a Special Wall. And it has a Recovering move so that adds another reason why Cradily doesn't fail. And besides, he asked for a Special Wall that doesn't take damage in a SandStorm. And most of the times, my Cradily forces a switch.
Special Walls are supposed to take SPECIAL HITS!

Quote:

cradily also can't recover from status which means if it gets toxic it's not going to do much walling.
Which Special/Physical Wall doesn't get ruined once it gets Toxic'ed??

Beginnings August 12th, 2008 6:36 PM

@Playa Hmmm. Blissey perhaps?

Garchomp wants Yache Berry to take ice attacks
Also I'd go Swords Dance >> Stone Edge
So Garchomp can already boost its great attack higher,
Also, it depends on preference, but I run Fire Blast on my Garchomp,
So instead of Bronzong and co. going olol, they sh** their pants.

Also I know it seems like a pain, but breed for the right natures/abilities
(Pory-Z wants Timid >> Modest because of NP and Hera wants Guts or it's epic rape for it) Natures/Abilities can make all the difference in a close battle, it would suck to lose cause your Hera didn't have enough power to kill the last poke, or your Porygon couldn't kill whatever.

Suggestion:
If you really want to get the most out of Porygon-Z I'd recommend putting HP Fighting over T-Bolt/Ice Beam so DDTar doesn't go olol and own him. Also, if you're running into Blissey troubles, a NP Hyper beam OHKO's Standard Blissey

Moving on, Milotic is an alright Spec. Wall
but its not really reliable,
so I'd recommend a Blissey:

[email protected]
Careful (or is it Bold?)
252 Def/80 Sp.Atk/172 HP
Softboiled
Aromatherapy/T-Wave/Toxic
Ice Beam
Softboiled go olol I meant Seismic Toss

This Blissey OHKO's Standard Garchomp and isn't that just awesome?

or if you really want the SS resit, SpecsLucario
lol he is a good special sweeper.

[email protected] Specs
Steadfast
Modest
4 Def/252 Sp.Atk/252 Spd
Aura Sphere
Vaccum Wave
Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
HP Ice/Dragon Pulse

This thing rapes walls that come in expecting SDLuke,
and just owns in general.

So yeah there's my take on this,
of course I'm a little new to RMT
so what do I know?

ThePlaya August 12th, 2008 7:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beginnings (Post 3853725)
@Playa Hmmm. Blissey perhaps?

But he asked one that resists the SandStorm. Or else I would have just said Blissey like anybody else would. Of course, it's the most common special wall.

Beginnings August 13th, 2008 6:21 AM

Mmkay I see your point, but [email protected] cancels SS damage

sims796 August 13th, 2008 7:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePlaya (Post 3853699)
"Anything capable of taking special hits for your team, in order to give your team some survival or force a switch. Often walls have a health recovery move to give them lasting power. Blissey is an example of a special wall."
Cradily doesn't fail at all. He asked for a special wall so I gave him one. That EV spread that I gave him with that nature gets him up to 260-268 Defense and 450 Special Defense(with decent IV's in both)with the SandStorm. And it has 378 HP. There's no way you can say that Cradily fails as a Special Wall. And it has a Recovering move so that adds another reason why Cradily doesn't fail. And besides, he asked for a Special Wall that doesn't take damage in a SandStorm. And most of the times, my Cradily forces a switch.
Special Walls are supposed to take SPECIAL HITS!

Which Special/Physical Wall doesn't get ruined once it gets Toxic'ed??

Playa, c-dog is absolutely right. Just because it can take a hit, doesn't make it great. It must also do something back, at the very least. I'm not saying Cradily is bad, but it cannot do anything back to any of it's counters. Special walls are supposed to take special hits? Not only that, they must force switches as well. Having a body to take a hit is only good in stall teams, where Cradily shines. Romo should be informed that Blissey is great even in Sandstorm, nullifying it's Leftovers. It can force switches, and scare off attackers with Seismec Toss. All Cradily can do is take the hit. What will it do against Calm Minders? Let it set up?

And since Cradily doesn't have much in the offensive department, it also can't take a Toxic as well as, oh, say, Grumpig, or Blissey (despite her having Natural Cure)

Skip Shot August 13th, 2008 7:44 AM

Since most of the sandstorm resisting stuff that can take special attacks can't attack back, I would say to just ignore the SS factor, since Leftys gets rid of it. If u r really worried about sandstorm, you could replace Hippowdon with Gliscor or Forry as your physical wall. Since HP Ice Mixape runs through this anyways, I would put Cress in there as your sp. wall. Can strike back at Mixape with a nice Psychic, recovers with Moonlight, supports with reflect, and charge beam just means Psychic kills more.

Sora_8920 August 13th, 2008 8:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beginnings (Post 3853725)
@Playa Hmmm. Blissey perhaps?

Garchomp wants Yache Berry to take ice attacks
Also I'd go Swords Dance >> Stone Edge
So Garchomp can already boost its great attack higher,
Also, it depends on preference, but I run Fire Blast on my Garchomp,
So instead of Bronzong and co. going olol, they sh** their pants.

Also I know it seems like a pain, but breed for the right natures/abilities
(Pory-Z wants Timid >> Modest because of NP and Hera wants Guts or it's epic rape for it) Natures/Abilities can make all the difference in a close battle, it would suck to lose cause your Hera didn't have enough power to kill the last poke, or your Porygon couldn't kill whatever.

Suggestion:
If you really want to get the most out of Porygon-Z I'd recommend putting HP Fighting over T-Bolt/Ice Beam so DDTar doesn't go olol and own him. Also, if you're running into Blissey troubles, a NP Hyper beam OHKO's Standard Blissey

Moving on, Milotic is an alright Spec. Wall
but its not really reliable,
so I'd recommend a Blissey:

[email protected]
Careful (or is it Bold?)
252 Def/80 Sp.Atk/172 HP
Softboiled
Aromatherapy/T-Wave/Toxic
Ice Beam
Softboiled go olol I meant Seismic Toss

This Blissey OHKO's Standard Garchomp and isn't that just awesome?

or if you really want the SS resit, SpecsLucario
lol he is a good special sweeper.

[email protected] Specs
Steadfast
Modest
4 Def/252 Sp.Atk/252 Spd
Aura Sphere
Vaccum Wave
Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
HP Ice/Dragon Pulse

This thing rapes walls that come in expecting SDLuke,
and just owns in general.

So yeah there's my take on this,
of course I'm a little new to RMT
so what do I know?

It's Calm on Blissey. Bold is outdated, and Careful reduces Special Attack...

Beginnings August 13th, 2008 8:56 AM

Oh, my bad, so yea if you run Calm on Blissey you should be good.
I'm not really a fan of Hippowdon, because MixApe runs through it w/ Grass Knot
I'd recommend:

[email protected]
Impish
252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Earthquake
Roost
Ice Fang/Aerial Ace (Ice Fang 2HKO's Garchomp)
Stealth Rock/Knock Off/Taunt

Straight off of Smogon.
or you could try:
TankTerra

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Impish
212 HP/252 Def/44 Spe
Wood Hammer
Earthquake/Stone Edge
Leech Seed
Stealth Rock/Protect

Yea, its 4x SE from HP Ice, but not many MixApes run this on Wi-Fi, it's more on Shoddy.


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