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Skip Shot August 8th, 2008 7:57 AM

The Monster Mash (Uber RMT)
 
Ubers are beasts that can terrorize anything below them. I've created a team of these beasts and my own favorite Uber additions that is capable of overtaking the Uber tier by storm- If I didn't lose connection every time I tried to start a battle.

Wobbufett @Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 Def/252 Sp. Def/ 6 HP

Counter
Mirror Coat
Encore
Safeguard

Standard Wobb as lead. Safeguard>> Destiny bond to prevent status from preventing Wobb from attacking.

[email protected] Iron Plate
Modest Nature
252 HP/ 116 Sp. Atk/ 226 Spe

Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Recover
Toxic

My DD Rayquaza counter, which my team has issues with. Ice Beam to OHKO it, Thunderbolt for BoltBeam, and Toxic to counter walls.


[email protected] Choice Specs
Hasty Nature
64 HP/ 228 Sp. Atk/ 216 Spe

Aura Sphere
Ice Beam
Thunder
Shadow Ball

Specs Mewtwo is a monster in Uber. Any Uber Pokemon who dare comes out is immediately stopped by 1 of these attacks. Aura Sphere says sayonara to Rai, Tqr, and alga.. Ice Beam cripples all of the dragons besides Dialga, who suffers greatly from Aura Sphere. Thunder is for Kyogre and Ho-oh. Shadow Ball cripples other Mewtwos, Deoxys, and Giratina.

[email protected] Life Orb
Jolly Nature
32 HP/ 252 Atk/ 216 Spe/ 8 SpD

Dragon Dance
Earthquake
ExtremeSpeed
Outrage

DD Quaza is here, and ready to show you what power truly means. After DD, EQ sends Heatran, Metagross, and Tar to the pits. Extremespeed turns Deoxys-a into DNA samples. Outrage just sends opponents scurrying for cover.

Giratina @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP/ 244 Def/ 12. Sp. Def.

Will-O-Wisp
Sleep Talk
Rest
Dragon pulse

Welcome to the Great Wall of China. This wall counters almost any physical threat to the team, and throws back a STAB Dragon Pulse that causes pain and suffering.

Palkia @ Lustrous Orb
Hasty Nature
6 Atk/ 252 Spa/ 252 Spe

Focus Punch
Spacial Rend
Thunder
Surf

A Mix Sweeping Palkia Like this destroys Ubers. Focus Punch is there for Bliss, Tar, and Darkrai. Spacial Rend and Surf deviler powerful STABs into any team’s chest. Thunder cripples the Flyers and Kyogre.

MM_Zero August 8th, 2008 8:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardc0rerock (Post 3839464)
Ubers are beasts that can terrorize anything below them. I've created a team of these beasts and my own favorite Uber additions that is capable of overtaking the Uber tier by storm- If I didn't lose connection every time I tried to start a battle.

Wobbufett @Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 Def/252 Sp. Def/ 6 HP

Counter
Mirror Coat
Encore
Safeguard

Standard Wobb as lead. Safeguard>> Destiny bond to prevent status from preventing Wobb from attacking. K

Shuckle @Leftovers
Impish Nature
0 Spe IVs
252 HP/ 252 Atl/ 4 Def

Power Trick
Gyro Ball
Rest
Knock Off

Shuckle has the highest Def and Sp. Def. ratings in the metagame. Using Power Trick on a physical Pokemon gives Shuckle its attack Power, and cripples the attacker. 0 Speed IVs for a max Gyro Ball attack. Knock Off to cripple walls.

Interesting, let me know if it turns out any good.

[email protected] Choice Scarf / Specs
Hasty Nature
64 Atk/ 228 Sp. Atk/ 216 Spe

Focus Punch
Ice Beam
Thunder
Shadow Ball

Scarf Mewtwo is a monster in Uber. Any Uber Pokemon who dare comes out is immediately stopped by 1 of these attacks. Focus Punch takes care of Bliss, Tar, and Rai. Ice Beam cripples all of the dragons besides Dialga, who suffers greatly from Foucs Punch. Thunder is for Kyogre and Ho-oh. Shadow Ball cripples other Mewtwos, Deoxys, and Giratina.

I prefer specs personally but scarf will do just fine.

[email protected] Life Orb
Jolly Nature
32 HP/ 252 Atk/ 216 Spe/ 8 SpD

Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Extremespeed
Outrage

DD Quaza is here, and ready to show you what power truly means. After DD, EQ sends Heatran, Metagross, and Tar to the pits. Overheat makes Skarm and Cross wonder how they got to battle in Uber. Outrage just sends opponents scurrying for cover.

Extremespeed>Overheat. Skarm is rare in ubers since Deoxys-D does the spiking/SRing so much better and Deoxys-A is a usual Ray counter after you knock out somebody. You can also even try swords dance on it occasionally and see which you like better.



Giratina @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP/ 244 Sp. Def/ 12 Def

Will-O-Wisp
Sleep Talk
Rest
Dragon pulse

Welcome to the Great Wall of China. This wall counters almost any special threat to the team, and throws back a STAB Dragon Pulse that causes pain and suffering.

Hmm, I don't like Giratina as a special wall due to its dragon typing, and lack of good special walling moves. It does far better as a physical wall, so just change the EVs around a bit. Though if you want a special wall take it out for either Lugia, Bliss, or Latias for special walling.

Palkia @ Lustrous Orb
Hasty Nature
6 Atk/ 252 Spa/ 252 Spe

Focus Punch
Spacial Rend
Thunder
Surf

A Mix Sweeping Palkia Like this destroys Ubers. Focus Punch is there for Bliss, Tar, and Darkrai. Spacial Rend and Surf deviler powerful STABs into any team’s chest. Thunder cripples the Flyers and Kyogre.
I usually see Palkias with Kyogre on the team, but since almost everybody uses Kyogre, that shouldn't be a problem.

Changes in bold, this team looks pretty nice, but do let me know how the shuckle turns out =P.

Skip Shot August 8th, 2008 8:45 AM

I'll let you know about Shuckie. I'll change around the EVs for Tina and change Heat to Speed. Thnaks for the help.

El Gofre August 8th, 2008 11:42 AM

Quote:

Wobbufett @Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 Def/252 Sp. Def/ 6 HP

Counter
Mirror Coat
Encore
Safeguard

Standard Wobb as lead. Safeguard>> Destiny bond to prevent status from preventing Wobb from attacking.

Urgh, wobuffet. As much as I hate the thing, it's the best (And only) set it has.

Shuckle @Leftovers
Impish Nature
0 Spe IVs
252 HP/ 252 Atl/ 4 Def

Power Trick
Gyro Ball
Rest
Knock Off

Shuckle has the highest Def and Sp. Def. ratings in the metagame. Using Power Trick on a physical Pokemon gives Shuckle its attack Power, and cripples the attacker. 0 Speed IVs for a max Gyro Ball attack. Knock Off to cripple walls.


No. Just no. This thing sucks in UU, let alone in ubers. Huge defenses count for jack when there are huge offenses coming at you, and this thing has like 4 HP. Plus power tricking is gonna fail against the immense walls like lugia, who then proceed to ice beam your now-abysmal defenses. Scrap it.

[email protected] Life Orb
Hasty Nature
64 Atk/ 228 Sp. Atk/ 216 Spe

Focus Punch
Ice Beam
Thunder
Shadow Ball

Scarf Mewtwo is a monster in Uber. Any Uber Pokemon who dare comes out is immediately stopped by 1 of these attacks. Focus Punch takes care of Bliss, Tar, and Rai. Ice Beam cripples all of the dragons besides Dialga, who suffers greatly from Foucs Punch. Thunder is for Kyogre and Ho-oh. Shadow Ball cripples other Mewtwos, Deoxys, and Giratina.
A scarf does jack all to mewtwo, he's already outspeeding all he's gonna outspeed. The only real thing that's faster is deoxys, who rapes you with extremespeed anyway. It needs Life Orb too.

[email protected] Life Orb
Jolly Nature
32 HP/ 252 Atk/ 216 Spe/ 8 SpD

Dragon Dance
Earthquake
ExtremeSpeed
Outrage

DD Quaza is here, and ready to show you what power truly means. After DD, EQ sends Heatran, Metagross, and Tar to the pits. Extremespeed turns Deoxys-a into DNA samples. Outrage just sends opponents scurrying for cover.
Standard, fair enough.

Giratina @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP/ 244 Def/ 12. Sp. Def.

Will-O-Wisp
Sleep Talk
Rest
Dragon pulse

Welcome to the Great Wall of China. This wall counters almost any special threat to the team, and throws back a STAB Dragon Pulse that causes pain and suffering.
Gdgd

Palkia @ Lustrous Orb
Hasty Nature
6 Atk/ 252 Spa/ 252 Spe

Focus Punch
Spacial Rend
Thunder
Surf

A Mix Sweeping Palkia Like this destroys Ubers. Focus Punch is there for Bliss, Tar, and Darkrai. Spacial Rend and Surf deviler powerful STABs into any team’s chest. Thunder cripples the Flyers and Kyogre.

Meh, I prefer Draco Meteor over Spacial rend but W.E
Changes in bold. Get rid of the stupid worm for a real special wall. I'd also make either mewtwo a full special-sweeper, you lack one atm, and SpecsTwo is so much more effective than MixTwo imo.

. August 8th, 2008 12:14 PM

I find Mewtwo more efficient with Specs. It has a hard time OHKOing things without Specs, so with it, it can cause a beatdown. Scarf is totally uneeded. Scarf goes on things with piss speed like Kyogre since they cannot measure up and are usually KO'd from their low Defense (not SpD)

You have a slight DDRayquaza weakness. It outspeeds your entire team I believe after a DD (excluding ScarfTwo, which you should scrap) Consider adding Steel Arceus, as it can come in, and OHKO with Ice Beam; surviving even a LO Earthquake.

Skip Shot August 8th, 2008 6:40 PM

That Shuckle does work wonders in UU, but probably not ready for Uber yet. I'll send it back to teh gym. Bring in Steel Arceus, you say KT? That should take its place.

[email protected] Iron Plate
Modest Nature
252 HP/ 116 Sp. Atk/ 226 Spe

Judgment
Ice Beam
Recover
Toxic

Is that good enough?

I don't like LO on Mewtwo, because of recoil and how it dies from ExSpeed. I'll run Specs on it.

MM_Zero August 8th, 2008 10:22 PM

As awesome as Arceus is, and how there should be no doubt of it being allowed in battles, there are those people who just can't stand seeing their precious pokemon getting owned by it who ban it. Make sure that you also have a replacement pokemon for it in case you're fighting one of those stubborn peeps.

LethalTexture August 9th, 2008 2:36 AM

Why not just go Timid and full 252 Sp. Atk EVs on Mewtwo with Aura Sphere >>> Focus Punch?

Skip Shot August 9th, 2008 8:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MM_Zero (Post 3841738)
As awesome as Arceus is, and how there should be no doubt of it being allowed in battles, there are those people who just can't stand seeing their precious pokemon getting owned by it who ban it. Make sure that you also have a replacement pokemon for it in case you're fighting one of those stubborn peeps.

Those ppl can go cry to their mommies about how the godof Pokemon ruled over their team. Too bad its the only counter to Ray Ray that can outspeed it. Would Weavile be a good idea? I'm not sure about Gross as backup, becasue it falls to Earthquake and won;t get a single Ice Punch in after a DD or two.

Quote:

Why not just go Timid and full 252 Sp. Atk EVs on Mewtwo with Aura Sphere >>> Focus Punch?
A. Focus Punch has more power
B. It's primary focus is a counter for Bliss, who otherwise walls this set
C. Aura Sphere takes 3 hits to KO Bliss, whereas Focus Punch takes 1.
D. You do the math.

El Gofre August 10th, 2008 1:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardc0rerock (Post 3842744)
B. It's primary focus is a counter for Bliss, who otherwise walls this set

Since when did special sweepers need to counter special walls? That's not their job. All you're doing is leaving your mewtwo severly under-powered when compared to the damage it can really do.

Sora_8920 August 10th, 2008 1:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3845456)
Since when did special sweepers need to counter special walls? That's not their job. All you're doing is leaving your mewtwo severly under-powered when compared to the damage it can really do.

Agreed. Besides, you could switch out Mewtwo to something that could counter it...

Skip Shot August 10th, 2008 2:56 PM

I'm not trying to use a special sweeper as a counter. If I put Aura Sphere there, Mewtwo gets walled by Bliss. If I switch out to something, that just reveals what else I can do and they can pull out Bliss for something to counter. It's better to have a move for something that walls your sweeper than to keep switching.

El Gofre August 11th, 2008 12:39 AM

But that's the point exactly- Special Sweepers always get walled by blissey, it's kind of blissey's job. It's not something you should be worried about, blissey is a physical sweeper's problem- Surely that's obvious?

Skip Shot August 11th, 2008 7:47 AM

Have you learned about the element of surprise? It's quite nice, really. Give Focus Punch to Mewtwo, Bliss barely expects it, and goes wtf? when it dies. I say leave Focus Punch on Mewtwo. If there's like a million replies saying change to Aura Sphere, I'll consider it. For now, F-Punch remains

El Gofre August 11th, 2008 7:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardc0rerock (Post 3849102)
Have you learned about the element of surprise? It's quite nice, really. Give Focus Punch to Mewtwo, Bliss barely expects it, and goes wtf? when it dies. I say leave Focus Punch on Mewtwo. If there's like a million replies saying change to Aura Sphere, I'll consider it. For now, F-Punch remains

You don't quite get what we're saying. The element of suprise is good and all, but at the moment you do not have an actual special sweeper. Granted Focus punch works on mewtwo, but not when it's being a special sweeper. What you have is a mixed sweeper which your opponent doesnt realise straight away, but no special sweeper. You're willing to lower your poke's general coverage for a single poke which isnt the massive threat in ubers it is in OU, which is kinda stupid. It's not just a case of "what's better?", but a case of "What's better for the selected role?".

Skip Shot August 11th, 2008 9:07 AM

I actually do get waht your saying. You want Aura Sphere>> Focus Punch because I have Specs on Mewtwo, and you think it would work better as a special move rather than having Focus Punch. Also, I don't lose coverage on Focus Punch, it has the same type and a lot more power than Aura Sphere. I choose Focus Punch for more power, but Aua Sphere works just as fine. I get what you are trying to say, but I prefer Focus Punch>> Aura Sphere.

sims796 August 11th, 2008 9:53 AM

Yea, surprise, more power. Now you don't hit others as hard as your supposed too. I keep hearing "element of surprise" everywhere, as if it's some killer new strategy. Seriously, once the surprise is over, you now have a weakend poke. Not to mention that you must REALLY play carefully to even use Focus Punch - sometimes you can't even use it at all - and you must remove from his main offense. Aura Sphere can be used at all times, is more powerful with both Choice SDpecs & EV investment, and is a much safer bet.

Skip Shot August 11th, 2008 10:07 AM

Y is it so hard to argue with Sims? I ge wat ur sayin bout F-Punch- the charge nd all. Probably Aura Sphere is a safer bet. I hate it when I get so stubborn. Thanks gofre and sim for tryin to make me see tat. Now I need to go bang my head on a wall, brb.

El Gofre August 11th, 2008 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardc0rerock (Post 3849357)
it has the same type and a lot more power than Aura Sphere. I choose Focus Punch for more power.

How on earth did you come to that conclusion? Base power is the only thing it wins in. Mewtwo has a much higher base SpAtt, more SpAtt EVs and specs, focus punch is extremely conditional.

You also seemed to misinterperet what I meant by coverage. While aura sphere is capable of putting a good dent in a great deal of pokemon, you've chosen focus punch just for blissey. That's a significant reduction in the coverage it can offer.

Heck, if I'm thinking of the right set this focus punch doesnt even KO the standard uber-bliss (Could someone confirm that it runs [email protected] please)- That leaves you with a one-use suprise and after that you've got a wasted moveslot, which doesnt sound like a very worthwhile suprise.

Skip Shot August 11th, 2008 10:12 AM

Let's just forge I said anything about Focus Punch. K? Its Aura Sphere now. read above post.
I also changed the EVs for Mootwo now that F-Punch got incinerated. Does Palkywant Aura>>Punch as well?

El Gofre August 11th, 2008 10:15 AM

I was typing that while you replied, so I didnt see it.

Palkia is fine as a mixed sweeper, but you needed at least one dedicated to special-offensive. Having something like mewtwo that can make really big holes is very important, more so in ubers than anywhere else with the gargantuan walls like Giratina lurking around.

Skip Shot August 11th, 2008 12:00 PM

K, I'll leave Palky as it is.

Sebastien Loeb August 11th, 2008 12:52 PM

Arceus is not OOber is EPU (OOber banned), your team is cheap in OOber battle.

Skip Shot August 11th, 2008 2:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastien Loeb (Post 3849840)
Arceus is not OOber is EPU (OOber banned), your team is cheap in OOber battle.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA what server do u play on?

Official server on Shoddy does not ban arceus, Wobby, and Chompy becasue they no all pokemon are fair. If you don't like the god of pokemon, may he get a Zap Plate and Thunder you out. Let me say it again. THOSE WHO BAN ARCEUS ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO PLAY WITHOUT LOSING THEIR PRECIOUS POKEMON. ARCEUS IS PERFECTLY NORMAL TO PLAY WITH. YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE HE CAN KILL YOUR TEAM IF HE HAS A SWEEPER SET.

ALSO PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO SMOGON. JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY THEY ARE A POKEMON UNIVERSITYDOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE POKEMON KNOW-IT-ALLS. SMOGON CAN PROVIDE GOOD MOVESETS, BUT TEHY CAN;T CHOOSE TO BAN CERTAIN POKEMON BECAUSE THEY THINK ITS UNFAIRTO PLAYERS. IGNORE SMOGON. ARCEUS IS LEGAL. ENOUGH SAID. IF YOU DON;T LIKE IT, GO CRY TO THE SMOGON PROFESSORS.

El Gofre August 11th, 2008 2:27 PM

Arceus's legality is debatable. Over shoddy, everything has access to perfect IVs so everything is fair. However in wifi you will find about 98% of people will refuse to play with arceus- Myself included- because if you can hack the event you can really just hack the lot. However if this is a shoddy team (Which isnt specified anywhere btw) then he perfectly viable.

Something I've just noticed on arceus- Get rid of steel-type judgement. Ubers is all about coverage, of which steel offers none. Thunder offers the traditional bolt-beam combo, which hits pretty much everything for neutral.


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