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I think they should make another tier in the middle of Uber and OU. o-o; That would probably be the best in a situation like this.
Nintendo should actually release tiers... O_O |
You can get high off of Jelly Beans? COOL!
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HEY! PEEBLO! You stole my "Location" thingy! :t057: |
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Oh, and Cloyster can counter Garchomp very well, and can also bypass Yache with Icicle Spear+Skill Link. |
Dude, I've never even met you. o-o; And I put that everywhere I can.
Yesh, I know it's not really Uber material at all. D: |
It doesn't matter how it does in ubers. It could be as useful as a garden hose in ubers and still be banned from OU. I think garchomp is uber because of sand veil's xtreme hax.
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It really does not matter how it would do in ubers. lol there is no rule that says "alright guys, no matter what happens we have to make sure gchomp is fantastic in its tier" Also if seaking is playable in ubers, with a little prediciton gchomp should be too
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Garchomp would get tossed in the Uber Tier. I can easily take out garchomp with my Lemonade(Jolteon) who uses a Choice Specs HP Ice, Modest and all.
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I toss him in the Ubers. There are better pokemon out there but tiers aren't really important to me, yes garchomp can be a terrifying monster from under the bed but so can most other pokemon if they are trained properly and have a tactical moveset.
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Well just have to see what happens next o-o; I am only a faction of all the people rioting in various places D:
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This debate would be better in S&M.
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Not really a debate... but whatever. o-o I do believe a mod was already in here though. Makes no real difference either XD Thanks I guess. :}
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Damn, I was hoping to get in on this thread before some of the others did, but oh well....*sigh
I do suggest you read the link that BeachBoy posted, and study up before you comment like this again. ~T_S |
I did read it. From the time I saw it, didn't change my mind at all. I know perfectly what Chompy is capable of doing.
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Its not the fact that hes to strong its the fact that people that use him suck the fun out of the game.. its like here is my team.. its all nice and neat.. good movesets... IVs EVs.. whole nine yards... wait... did you prepare for Garchomp ... O No he wrecks your team... it is not because he is to strong its because he limits what you can do and after awhile its old... and he isnt so simple to take out with a boosted ice attack .. ive fought many chomps with yache berry and they just shrug it off and begin to sweep... truth is... your not safe in OU unless u have 2 counters for Garchomp.. and thats just stupid..
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^^ Well, you sorta got the message, I just don't think you conveyed it all that well. If you HAD read that link Peeblo, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on, especially if all you're using is the above comments, which become null when backed by that.
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My opinon on this situation is to ban it. Garchomp has virtually no counter and just being around it makes blind kids cry. There is no true counter to this jerk and its ability just adds to its demise. (personally I dont care what happens to it but if I have one less "threat" to counter it cant be all bad) When the ban happended on this site nothing changed for me, i just found another pokemon to use. And although its not a threat to me its pathetic to see a whole team to be changed because of a single ou
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I propose that this thread title be changed as it is misleading - yes, this new action taken by Smogon may provide evidence to ban Garchomp, no, it hasn't been banned yet.
I've battled in the suspect test ladder, and the loss of Garchomp had impacted my teams both offensively and defensively, defensively as Garchomp is a reliable answer to Tyranitar, SDLucario, not being Sala / Nite setup fodder... I support this ban, as what makes Garchomp overpowered is the Yache Berry set forcing players to carry multiple revenge-killers and counters to it on their team. Choice Band Garchomp is also a serious threat, 2HKOing walls not resisting Outrage. I feel my points have been expounded clearly in the tier debate thread. |
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It really sucks that almost every team has to be changed just to be able to counter that Garchomp. I agree that it should be moved to UBER. Though it won't do any good there, it's too powerful to be in OU but too weak to be UBER. But I'm fine with that, and so are many people. |
well, you only need a powerful Ice pokemon to defeat garchomp, don't you? As Garchomp is Dragon/Ground, Ice pokemon could defeat it, if the Ice pokemon isn't defeated first though.
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In short, it's either Cloyster moving to OU to defeat Garchomp (180 Def+Icicle Spear+Skill Link) or Garchimp becoming an Uber. I'm happy in both cases :) .
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Also, Chomp carries Yache Berry around 80% of the time... if it doesn't a STABed Ice Shard has potential to kill it o-o; (I've seen quite a few Scarfed ones too, if it helps to say.) EDIT: Potential would pretty much just include something with 340+ Att o-o; (Meaning most likely Mamo or Vile.) |
The only reason Garchomp is being considered is because it is too hard to counter. Salamence, Metagross etc are easier to counter, and have 100% counters, unlike Garchomp.
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