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peeblo August 9th, 2008 8:40 PM

I think they should make another tier in the middle of Uber and OU. o-o; That would probably be the best in a situation like this.

Nintendo should actually release tiers... O_O

Zennerick August 9th, 2008 8:54 PM

You can get high off of Jelly Beans? COOL!

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Originally Posted by To Lazy to Copy and Paste Name Here
I'm happy, personally I think Garchomp is ugly.

But Garchomp is easily counter able early game. Late game, when all the faster threats are dealt with, it becomes way powerful.

He's terribly ugly. I don't even own one...

HEY! PEEBLO! You stole my "Location" thingy! :t057:

Walrein August 9th, 2008 9:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Angelic Diablo (Post 3844718)
Anyone who has said "Garchomp sucks, Ice moves destroy him" obviously has never faced a true player using a true Garchomp.

The Yache set is by the worst set around, with Sandstorm around every corner problems just add up. No one likes taking SD Outrages, especially if there uber powerful Ice Beam fails to even 2HKO thanks to Yache.

Milotic is in no way on the verge of ubers, the thing is incredibly easy to beat, with or without Marvel Scale, the new powerful attacks just make short work of the mermaid fish thing.

I don't really care if Garchomp moves to ubers or not, I just wish he would stop being so damn popular for a while so we can actually have a decent battle that doesnt end up with someone sweeping with the Shark

While I did see the type of Garchomp you are talking about, I think moving it to Ubers is too much. I admit it's very strong, but Ubers? It will die in one Dragon hit from Latios.
Oh, and Cloyster can counter Garchomp very well, and can also bypass Yache with Icicle Spear+Skill Link.

peeblo August 9th, 2008 9:08 PM

Dude, I've never even met you. o-o; And I put that everywhere I can.

Yesh, I know it's not really Uber material at all. D:

The Bringer! August 9th, 2008 9:12 PM

It doesn't matter how it does in ubers. It could be as useful as a garden hose in ubers and still be banned from OU. I think garchomp is uber because of sand veil's xtreme hax.

Magmortified August 9th, 2008 9:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorebyss (Post 3844842)
Oh, and Cloyster can counter Garchomp very well, and can also bypass Yache with Icicle Spear+Skill Link.

I remember hearing that Icicle Spear doesn't break Yache Berry on Shoddybattle. Never tested it though.

And Cloyster's ability to tackle Chomp suffers from a SR weakness. And no way to recover it off either.

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It doesn't matter how it does in ubers. It could be as useful as a garden hose in ubers and still be banned from OU.
Finally somebody realizes that Ubers is just a banlist for the rest of the game and not actually intended to be played or balanced (though people do, because Giratina, Lugia, and the rest of them need love too).

POKEMASTERALEX August 9th, 2008 9:26 PM

It really does not matter how it would do in ubers. lol there is no rule that says "alright guys, no matter what happens we have to make sure gchomp is fantastic in its tier" Also if seaking is playable in ubers, with a little prediciton gchomp should be too

Haza August 9th, 2008 10:34 PM

Garchomp would get tossed in the Uber Tier. I can easily take out garchomp with my Lemonade(Jolteon) who uses a Choice Specs HP Ice, Modest and all.

Blue Nocturne August 9th, 2008 10:47 PM

I toss him in the Ubers. There are better pokemon out there but tiers aren't really important to me, yes garchomp can be a terrifying monster from under the bed but so can most other pokemon if they are trained properly and have a tactical moveset.

peeblo August 10th, 2008 12:40 AM

Well just have to see what happens next o-o; I am only a faction of all the people rioting in various places D:

LethalTexture August 10th, 2008 12:41 AM

This debate would be better in S&M.

*moves*

peeblo August 10th, 2008 12:42 AM

Not really a debate... but whatever. o-o I do believe a mod was already in here though. Makes no real difference either XD Thanks I guess. :}

Ársa August 10th, 2008 12:54 AM

Damn, I was hoping to get in on this thread before some of the others did, but oh well....*sigh

I do suggest you read the link that BeachBoy posted, and study up before you comment like this again.

~T_S

peeblo August 10th, 2008 1:10 AM

I did read it. From the time I saw it, didn't change my mind at all. I know perfectly what Chompy is capable of doing.

IMtheMACHAMP August 10th, 2008 1:18 AM

Its not the fact that hes to strong its the fact that people that use him suck the fun out of the game.. its like here is my team.. its all nice and neat.. good movesets... IVs EVs.. whole nine yards... wait... did you prepare for Garchomp ... O No he wrecks your team... it is not because he is to strong its because he limits what you can do and after awhile its old... and he isnt so simple to take out with a boosted ice attack .. ive fought many chomps with yache berry and they just shrug it off and begin to sweep... truth is... your not safe in OU unless u have 2 counters for Garchomp.. and thats just stupid..

Ársa August 10th, 2008 1:25 AM

^^ Well, you sorta got the message, I just don't think you conveyed it all that well. If you HAD read that link Peeblo, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on, especially if all you're using is the above comments, which become null when backed by that.

~T_S

Mystery2009 August 10th, 2008 2:17 AM

My opinon on this situation is to ban it. Garchomp has virtually no counter and just being around it makes blind kids cry. There is no true counter to this jerk and its ability just adds to its demise. (personally I dont care what happens to it but if I have one less "threat" to counter it cant be all bad) When the ban happended on this site nothing changed for me, i just found another pokemon to use. And although its not a threat to me its pathetic to see a whole team to be changed because of a single ou

Aquilae August 10th, 2008 2:41 AM

I propose that this thread title be changed as it is misleading - yes, this new action taken by Smogon may provide evidence to ban Garchomp, no, it hasn't been banned yet.

I've battled in the suspect test ladder, and the loss of Garchomp had impacted my teams both offensively and defensively, defensively as Garchomp is a reliable answer to Tyranitar, SDLucario, not being Sala / Nite setup fodder...

I support this ban, as what makes Garchomp overpowered is the Yache Berry set forcing players to carry multiple revenge-killers and counters to it on their team. Choice Band Garchomp is also a serious threat, 2HKOing walls not resisting Outrage.

I feel my points have been expounded clearly in the tier debate thread.

ThePlaya August 10th, 2008 2:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mystery (Post 3845535)
My opinon on this situation is to ban it. Garchomp has virtually no counter and just being around it makes blind kids cry. There is no true counter to this jerk and its ability just adds to its demise. (personally I dont care what happens to it but if I have one less "threat" to counter it cant be all bad) When the ban happended on this site nothing changed for me, i just found another pokemon to use. And although its not a threat to me its pathetic to see a whole team to be changed because of a single ou

I totally agree with this.
It really sucks that almost every team has to be changed just to be able to counter that Garchomp.
I agree that it should be moved to UBER. Though it won't do any good there, it's too powerful to be in OU but too weak to be UBER.
But I'm fine with that, and so are many people.

Banjora Marxvile August 10th, 2008 2:58 AM

well, you only need a powerful Ice pokemon to defeat garchomp, don't you? As Garchomp is Dragon/Ground, Ice pokemon could defeat it, if the Ice pokemon isn't defeated first though.

Archer August 10th, 2008 3:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Turtwigtoon (Post 3845586)
well, you only need a powerful Ice pokemon to defeat garchomp, don't you? As Garchomp is Dragon/Ground, Ice pokemon could defeat it, if the Ice pokemon isn't defeated first though.

LOL. Try battling competitively. Bit harder when it doesn't use Giga Impact and Crunch.

Walrein August 10th, 2008 3:23 AM

In short, it's either Cloyster moving to OU to defeat Garchomp (180 Def+Icicle Spear+Skill Link) or Garchimp becoming an Uber. I'm happy in both cases :) .

Archer August 10th, 2008 3:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Gorebyss (Post 3845615)
In short, it's either Cloyster moving to OU to defeat Garchomp (180 Def+Icicle Spear+Skill Link) or Garchimp becoming an Uber. I'm happy in both cases :) .

Um, there is nothing stopping Cloyster from being used in OU. Aside from a fighting weak, lol.

peeblo August 10th, 2008 3:41 AM

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^^ Well, you sorta got the message, I just don't think you conveyed it all that well. If you HAD read that link Peeblo, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on, especially if all you're using is the above comments, which become null when backed by that.
I did read it o-o; (Seriously.) xD lol, Eh like I said before... I'm defending Chompy because it's very messed up to put a normal Pokemon with a bunch of "monsters." (I don't use one.) I simply think that Smogon is going to far with it, if it does go through some of my friends' strategies will sorta have to change, not to mention the work some put into it since they bred for decent IVs o-o; I also think that sooner or later they will get to Pokes I use D:

Also, Chomp carries Yache Berry around 80% of the time... if it doesn't a STABed Ice Shard has potential to kill it o-o; (I've seen quite a few Scarfed ones too, if it helps to say.)

EDIT: Potential would pretty much just include something with 340+ Att o-o; (Meaning most likely Mamo or Vile.)

Ársa August 10th, 2008 3:45 AM

The only reason Garchomp is being considered is because it is too hard to counter. Salamence, Metagross etc are easier to counter, and have 100% counters, unlike Garchomp.

~T_S


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