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ΜσdαΜϑrdεrεr August 11th, 2008 5:12 PM

Well, that's good news for me. In all honesty Garchomp doesn't belong in OU, so it has to go to Ubers. Garchomp is incredibly hard to counter especially in the common sandstorm that T-tar brings, he's also very bulky making him hard to take down and/or counter. Garchomp's speed isn't excellent but his bulkiness/ability/sheer power more than make up for this.

sims796 August 11th, 2008 5:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti Pop Culture Warrior (Post 3850234)
Also I really don't think Sand Veil should be in the discussion, unless maybe it's totally 50/50 and the decision needs to be swayed one way or the other. Okay, so the people who complain about Sand Veil say "any one of Garchomp's counters could miss and that could cost you the game." Excellent. Okay, so using that very logic, let's take SD Gliscor. any one of Gliscor's counters could miss, and it could cost you the game. so should we ban Gliscor? Yeah, Garchomp is more powerful, I know. Still, after +6 attack Gliscor looks pretty uber to me. You that that won't happen? Well it could happen.

What I'm saying is that it's all so hypothetical that it really is just a shaky argument. You could miss Mamoswine in the hail 10 straight times and it could sweep your team. That doesn't make Mamoswine uber.

All that was TL;DR. Cept that.

Well, that must be taken into arguement, because they aren' nearly as dangerous in Sandstorm as Chomp. You yourself said that in a past Chomp disscusion thread. It's only mentioned because others most likely lost because their counters missed. From a guy who missed 3 Focus Blast in a row, I don't mind him gone. Yeah, it's my own fault, but still annoying :/

My reasoning, and my reasoning alone, as to why I don't mind him banned? He limits my choice of playable pokemon. Just my totally bias opinion. I blame both a mix of his HP & speed.

Romo_Owens August 11th, 2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by peeblo (Post 3843985)
Well dude you have to realize that a Ice attack has a big potential to put it out of commission. o-o; I don't personally use a Garchomp but I know that if this keeps up they will definitely Uberfy Mence. (Which I do use... >.<; ) I also don't understand why they do it to Chomp... and not to Cresselia or Milotic D: Cresselia has Moonlight and Rest (Lum Berry is abuse...), Milotic has Marvel Scale, Recover AND Hypnosis. o-o; I see a really big thing there.

I also see this happening to Metagross. o-o;

Salamence will not be put into uber. It's not good enough. Sure it's a force but Garchomp is just hands down a better sweeper. Salamence is forever an OU. Same with Metagross. Milotic and Cresselia- I use a Milotic which I believe is BL and yes it's good but Blissey is better as a special wall. The list goes on but Garchomp is just legitametly a strong pokemon which is a bit too strong for OU.
Now as far as the issue goes, I checked out that smogon post a while back and people seem to think that Garchomp will be blow to you-know-what if it goes. I can't agree. Sure the defenses there are stronger, attacks make Garchomps base 130 look like childs play and thanks to our friends Kyogre, Groudon and Rayquaza, Sand Veil is useless, it will do fine. As you said, a heck of a lot of people use Garchomp. And since it's as a titanic force as it is, people have come to put counters on their team specifically for it whether it be Bronzong, Swampert, Cresselia, Hippowdon (yours truly) etc. Also, Ice attacks are rampant as hell in OU, but aren't really seen in Uber. Garcomp's faster than most ubers, and the only real counters to it will be Lugia and to a lesser extent Giratina. I still hope it doesn't happen or I have a new Physical sweeper slot to fill on my team.

Samson August 12th, 2008 3:06 AM

they should've given garchomp a different ability. so many people lose out of the occurrence that the final blow to a chomp misses. i don't have a problem against the overpowered SDyache chomp set, it's just that friggin ability.

stupid gamefreak. sometimes i feel like stalking their mothers and leaving threatening messages on their answering machines.

EDIT: btw, this is the second or third time smogon has made a large effort to settle the garchomp issue. simply this: garchomp is too good for OU but way too stank for uber. maybe they should make a HBL (higher border line). that way, garchomp can be in its own tier shoving the finger at [email protected]

Ársa August 12th, 2008 3:27 AM

PCB&RG Members -

I propose we leave this thread. It is obvious that we cannot strike up a decent conversation/argument here, and even doing so is really a hopeless clause. Move this to the Guild and discuss there, behind closed walls. (so to speak)

~T_S

Beginnings August 12th, 2008 5:52 AM

Well, I disagree with the decision, I think this is going in the direction of the "Skarm/Bliss Clause": made for people who can't handle Chompers in OU I mean if you're thinking that way, you might as well ban Deoxys-S/MixApe because they both can rape teams just the way Garchomp can. So I guess either make a seperate ladder as Smogon has, or add a "Chomp Clause"

Magmortified August 12th, 2008 7:45 AM

I'm agreeing with TS. I'm seeing the same arguments over and over again. There's only so many times you can say, "It does not go like that, it goes like this."

shedinjask August 12th, 2008 5:32 PM

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maybe they should make a HBL (higher border line). that way, garchomp can be in its own tier shoving the finger at [email protected]
No, Ubers is to OU as BL is to UU. Ubers is a BL tier, a faux, unbalanced tier not meant to be played.

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I mean if you're thinking that way, you might as well ban Deoxys-S/MixApe because they both can rape teams just the way Garchomp can.
Spiritomb, Metagross, Jirachi deal with Deoxys-S and Tentacruel and Vaporeon have Mixape. 100% counters, barring crits. How do they compare to Garchomp?

Samson August 13th, 2008 3:59 AM

l2sarcasm ._.

and it's not that BL is not meant to be played, it's simply a matter that BL should not be played in UU.

Smarties-chan August 13th, 2008 8:37 AM

Since this topic is getting out of hand and has turned into a Garchomp tier debate (yes, I know I'm guilty to this myself) and there is a much more well-thought out Garchomp debate posted, I will lock this topic now.


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