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Ársa August 10th, 2008 12:40 AM

Run Before You Walk - Sweeper RMT
 
Introduction:
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With everyone and his dog making sweeper teams these days, I thought I might throw my hand in the ring. As is the style of sweeper teams, mine revolves around switching through resistences and overpowering the opponent.

Overview:
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The Team:
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http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/zapdos.png
[email protected] Scarf
Modest
112 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 144 Spd

U-Turn
Thunderbolt
Hidden Power ICE
Extrasensory

One of my more favourite leads currently. U-Turn shows me their Zapdos counter and gives me the advantage from the outset, Thunderbolt for STAB and Gyarados, HP ICE for Salamence leads and for later revenging Garchomp, while Extrasensory hits Gengar and Roserade mainly, but also lets me revenge kill fighting types like Machamp and Infernape.
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http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/suicune.png
[email protected]
Bold
252 HP, 120 Def, 136 Sp. Atk

Calm Mind
Surf
Ice Beam
Substitute

After seeing it in Vance's RMT, I decided to try this out. Still bulky as hell, but can now do significant damage back. Substitute can help in stalls vs Blissey, as Suicune acheives 101 HP subs with the above EV spread.
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http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/salamence.png
[email protected] Orb
Jolly
252 HP, 40 Atk, 136 Def, 76 Spd

Wish
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Earthquake

Life Orb WishMence. Because this is a sweeper team, I thought I could do with some Wish support. Wish also helps keep Salamence alive if I decide to try and sweep with it. Life Orb gives it's attacks that extra bite.
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http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/gyarados.png
[email protected] Orb
Adamant
6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd

Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Ice Fang
Stone Edge

Life Orb Dragon Dance Gyarados is an absolute beast of a pokemon. Ice Fang gets me past Celebi if it's below 75%, or without Reflect/Thunder Wave.
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http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/snorlax.png
[email protected] Band
Careful
244 HP, 72 Atk, 192 Sp. Def
Thick Fat

Selfdestruct
Body Slam
Earthquake
Crunch

Choice Band Snorlax >> CurseLax. I've given it some extra attack just cause I feel like it. Selfdestruct leaves it's indent when Snorlax is finished, or when I need to overcome a troubling pokemon.
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http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/deoxyse.png
[email protected] Orb
Naive
160 Atk, 236 Sp. Atk, 112 Spd

Psychic
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Superpower

Standard Deoxys-E sweeper. Psychic is superior over Shadow Ball IMO, and is better for revenge killing. Shadow Ball does pitiful damage to Cresselia anyway, while Shadow Sneak Dusknoir beats Deoxys 1 on 1 anyway.
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Ok, so looking for decent rates only please. As is always the case, others can see mistakes where you cannot yourself, so that is why I submit this to my fellow S&M raters, hopefully to improve it.

Regards,

~T_S

Anti August 13th, 2008 12:46 PM

Used that Suicune on the presidents team...it absolutely rapes everything lol

Looks pretty solid, just watch out as half of your team is stealth rock weak.

airconditioning August 13th, 2008 1:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tortured_Soul (Post 3845329)
Psychic is superior over Shadow Ball IMO, and is better for revenge killing. Shadow Ball does pitiful damage to Cresselia anyway, while Shadow Sneak Dusknoir beats Deoxys 1 on 1 anyway.

THANK YOU. Seriously, I thought I was the only person who thought this.

ABYAY August 13th, 2008 1:55 PM

I always liked Psychic > Shadow Ball too...Psychic gets STAB, pairs well with Superpower in terms of general coverage (Darks eat Superpower)

This a massively chaotic team when you predict well, but it's strongly reliant on yourself T_S. If they set up Stealth Rock, it's going to be troublesome.

Ársa August 14th, 2008 4:39 AM

I'm thinking about the viability of Aqua Tail over Waterfall on Gyarados, and considering HP ELEC over Substitute on Suicune. Thoughts?

Also, I know I'm rather SR weak, and unfortunately Zappy doesn't really halt common SR leads like Bronzong, thoughts? I don't want to change the team too much, Zappy out for possibly Scarftran seems ok I suppose...

~T_S

Sora_8920 August 14th, 2008 5:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tortured_Soul (Post 3856040)
I'm thinking about the viability of Aqua Tail over Waterfall on Gyarados, and considering HP ELEC over Substitute on Suicune. Thoughts?

Also, I know I'm rather SR weak, and unfortunately Zappy doesn't really halt common SR leads like Bronzong, thoughts? I don't want to change the team too much, Zappy out for possibly Scarftran seems ok I suppose...

~T_S

~T_S

Two T_S's lol. Anyway, kinda liking Timid >> Modest more for Zapdos, but meh.

. August 14th, 2008 8:53 AM

I'd rather go with Waterfall >>> Aqua Tail. The flinch chance, and the 100 accuracy make up for the measly loss of 10 base power (15 after STAB)

Suicune needs Sub, or else it wouldn't be a SubCMer. If it's CM/Ice Beam/Surf/HP Electric it cannot beat Blissey, which is kind of sad since it's part of a group intended to kill that fat pink blob.

Believe me, Vaporeon will not be getting past Suicune with an Ice Beam on it's hands. HP Electric isn't absolutely necessary, since Gyara takes mono damage from IB.


Excellent RMT overall, and it it isn't Scarftran weak like 99% other offensive teams, well done.

Walrein August 14th, 2008 9:19 AM

A really great team! The only pity is that Zapdos doesn't learn Air Slash. I also liked the images of the pokemon, Gyarados looks really good here. Where did you get them?


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