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I can say from personal experience that I am fed up with Garchomp. It cannot be taken down easily and it's a total pain. The OU metagame will be much more competitive without it, due to it being a closer contest. I strongly put forward that it should become Uber. The fact that people construct teasm around defeating it shows its power and how people are very wary of it's power. Uber please.
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I used to be "Garchomp for OU," but after a recent beating by one on Shoddy...
"Infernape used Hidden Power [Ice]!" "Infernape's attack missed!" ---- "Mamoswine used Ice Shard!" "Mamoswine's attack missed!" ---- "Starmie used Ice Beam!" "Starmie's attack missed!" And getting thumped on my ass, I agree with the general consensus that Chomp needs to go. |
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Oh an Ooka, Gofre said the same exact thing as you, except he managed to do it without insulting someone for no reason. Amazing how that works isn't it? |
The problem with Garchomp is,that it is EXACTLY liek Deoxys.It does wup ass in OU,because even i can wup ass with it,but it wil get bullied iwth ubers.I never was Garchomp for OU.I only use it because it's strong.If it was put into ubers poepel would have to figure out new tactics with it,whihc means it woudl liven up uber instead of biring out OU.So,it ouwld also do two good ithngs.Overall,i inthk it shodu definitely be in ubers
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He didn't insult you, he told you not to post about things you don't understand so you wouldn't look stupid. Great advice, really.
So we're all for ubering Garchomp? Why was it unbanned last time? |
Wait a second, why would people have to figure out new tactics for Garchomp in Ubers and thus liven it up?
Can't you use Garchomp in Ubers right now? ._. |
Because osmoene said it had counters.Yeah,and because i took out a Wobby with my Mamoswine,does that mean Wobby's UU?
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If a pokemon is deemed too broken for the OU tier or any tier, it will be moved up a tier or tiers. No matter how much the pokemon sucks in said higher tier. See regular deoxys, it completely blows compared with its other forms in ubers, however its still too broken for OU, so in ubers it stays. Quote:
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Wait wut ? Whoopty do, "I R BEETING KYOGRE WITH DUNSPARCEZ". Just because you beat an uber with a lower tier pokemon it still doesnt determine which tier its in. Hell, ive used Poliwrath in OU, and its beaten things from Gyarados, through weavile and tyranitar even Salamence. Ive even beat a Blissey with a NP Houndoom =/. Still IS NOT going to affect the tier of those threats i beat with lower tier pokes. |
You're misunderstanding here. He didn't say because it can be countered by lower tiers that it's a lower tier. He said the exact opposite.
Who said it had counters and how did they manage to convince anyone after that thread we had? |
Ok, I'm going to break this down too, but there are some points this can emphasise.
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As for it "Getting Bullied" in Ubers, lol. It has 102 Spd. Enough to outspeed most Uber threats. There are other reasons, but whether or not it can cope in Ubers is not a concern. (ERG - Equal Rights for Garchomps....) Uber is an OU ban, as BL is a UU ban. Many BLs suck in OU, but they are too good for UU, thus, they are banned. Quote:
My Vote - Uber. |
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Archer,waht i was saying was that jsut lke Deoxys,it is oing to get bullied in ubers.JHowever,i believe in NRG (No Rights for Garchomps).What i can do proves that it is too easy to use and kill stuff,as although i understand everytihng,i'm still fair rubbish at battling. |
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I understand that part.And at least someoen doesn't jsut have a go at me for posting stuff.
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I think Iv'e already said that, but Skill Link Icicle Spear Cloyster can ruin Yache Berry.
Lopunny can also Swicherro it's Yache for Choice Specs on physical sets, and if possible, on SD (Loppuny is faster BTW) and use Ice Punch. |
I'll take your word for it.The thing is,you want to have a poke that can do stuff other thna be a Garchomp Counter,adn,to be honest,you don't see many Lopunnys and i'm not about to add one jsut to counter chomp.Can i jsut make a point though?Latios with maxx speed and Ice Beam coudl give Garchomp a run around.If it were OU,they'd be quite well mstched,Latias more so,but,like Garchomp,Latias is more uber,whereas Latios has counters vewry common.
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Ok, that's it. First off, Aquilae already explanied why Cloyster won't work. Second, random UU pokemon won't cut it. Even if they happen to beat chomp (any faster UU can, like Lopunny, um...), stop using UU pokes that won't make it anywhere else in the metagame.
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Garchomp isn't as huge of a threat that people claim him to be. There are several counters who can easily OHKO sets without a Yache Berry.
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Oh, and if you think you have a counter for Garchomp, then name them instead of just saying that it has counters. I guess Weavile can counter YacheChomp on the Swords Dance, since Ice Punch OHKOs even through Yache Berry without a Swords Dance. At least that's what happened to me. >:< Garchomp's counters: Focus Band Weavile with Focus Band working 2 times in a row without Sandstorm. That and ubers. |
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Bold Slowbro is OHKO'd by Infernape's Grass Knot (Assuming your talking about the omnipresent Mixape or just infernape in general) Bite LO Gyarados 2HKO's Slowbro CB Chomp also 2hko's Slowbro with Outrage iirc. |
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And another thing, here's some calcs. It's [email protected]/252HP against a standard Garchomp with one SD: Outrage: 62-72% Earthquake: 51-60% Fire Fang: 24-27% DC used: Metalkid To quote D_A, A "counter" is a pokemon that takes little risk when switching into an enemy pokemon and provides an immediate threat. Cloyster can only switch in on one of garchomp's attacks, which is only there for skarmory and Bronzong anyway- The former of which does the exact-same job. Hence you'd need to be running two physical walls in a single team just to be able to viably have a chance of switching cloyster in, and once it's in it just get's 2HKO'd as you break it's yache berry and hope for a run of 5 spears. |
Meaning, as he switches in, Cloyster loses half his HP. The next hit when Chomp goes first will KO.
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Isn't there any pokemon that can prevent it from SDing? |
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