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AluminumKnight August 11th, 2008 10:23 AM

This team is sloooow (OU RMT)
 
Sick of losing with my current team, I decided to do a complete revamp of it, this time starting with a late sweeping strategy and building around that, rather than just throwing in a few pokes randomly and trying to cover their weaknesses.

Tauntrados @Leftovers
Adamant: Intimidate
212 HP/16 Atk/180 Def/100 Spd
Taunt
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Stone Edge

Classic Gyara lead. Taunts leads that need to be taunted, otherwise either switch out to a counter or DD on the switch and see what comes out. Useful fire resist since Forretress is my physical wall.

Forretress @Leftovers
Impish: Sturdy
252 HP/252 Def/6 Atk
Gyro Ball
Earthquake
Spikes
Rapid Spin

Mmm I like this Forry. Spins and sets up Spikes, and also can score some surprise KOs against the likes of Magnezone and Heatran. Gyro Ball has saved me more than once and does well, especially against speed-buffed physical sweepers.

Scarfran @Choice Scarf
Modest: Flash Fire
252 SpA/252 Spd/6 HP
Lava Plume
Earth Power
Dark Pulse?
HP Ice

What to put in the 3rd spot? I feel like Dragon Pulse is unneeded due to HP Ice. Explosion, perhaps?

Roserade @Black Sludge
Timid: Natural Cure
252 HP/4 SpA/252 Spd
Substitute/Toxic Spikes
Leech Seed
Aromatherapy
Grass Knot

I needed a cleric and a grass attack, and whala, here it is! I’ve had pretty good success with this in the past, the problem is just finding a good time to switch her in.

DDMence @Life Orb
Naughty: Intimidate
252 Atk/136 Spd/120 HP
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Flamethrower

My main late sweeper, this whole team’s objective is to clear out threats to him so he can clean house. Also my only real chance at Hera as long as I don’t switch in on a Stone Edge.

Vaporeon @Choice Specs
Bold: Water Absorb
188 HP/252 Def/70 SpA
Ice Beam
Surf
HP Electric
Wish

Yes, I read the battle log in which this was used, and yes, that’s what gave me the idea. Surf > Hydro Pump, though. This is my Gyara counter, and even bulky versions are OHKOd by HP Electric, along with taking little damage in return, especially if I can switch in on a Waterfall. Ice Beam takes care of any dragon with the exception of Yache, in which case Chompy takes 75%.


Overall, I feel like Hera is still quite a big threat to this team. I’m also lacking a priority move, a really speedy sweeper (maybe I should go with Scarftran?), or a true special wall. Perhaps I should just cave and use cleric Blissey instead of Roserade, but that would leave me without a good Swampert killer, not to mention my dignity.

Divine~Deoxys August 17th, 2008 9:45 AM

I WAS going to try rate this with a quote seeing as nobody else had,but honestly,i can see why.You should retype in a smaller,more ordinary font.I'm sure a lot of people have read this,and have been to polite to point tihs out.I have been getting stick for my grammar recently,but at least i type in a font that,when i do type with more grammar,people can read it.I can't see any massive problems with your team,apart from Heatran.Go with a standard,as Heatran is more of a tank,due to it being bullky.Also,put more EVs into Special Attack,less into speed on Roserade,as it's really oing to struggle to even 2HKO stuff with those EVs.Timid plus 108 EVs isn't goign to be slow.I'm no expert,but try these:

Roserade @ Black Sludge
Natural Cure
Timid
252hp,148sp.atk,108spd
Leech Seed
Substitute/Toxic Spikes???
Aromatherapy
Grass Knot

For some reason you have HP Grass on Heatran,which i would drop,as it doesn't do much for it,as if you leave it in against a Ground type they're going to EQ you to kingdom come,and if you leave Heatran in against a Water,then you're as crzy as your font suggests.Grass Knot will deal with the likes of Swampert,Suicune and other bulky waters and Ground types.If you're against a slow Tyranitar,it will deal more of a hit to that too,as despite Special Defense not being Ttar's thing,it's still quite a good stat.Roserade doesn't have the highest of HP,so subbing is goign to cripple it,even with those EVs,whihc are needed.Toxic Spikes alows you to poison pokemon on the ground switching in,which would be even beter than jsut the spikes of Forretress alone.Your ddmence coudl do with having different EVs,more like
252atk,252spd,4hp,giving it more firepower and speed to start with,as you won't DD in all situations.Also,Fire Blast isn't the wisest choice.Firstly,you have no special attack EVs,and secondly,it has low accuracy,so if you want a special fire move,go with Flamethrower,but otherwise,go more liek this:

Salamence @ Life Orb
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Flamethrower/Fire Fang

the bold one is my favourite for a DDmence,but if you're oging with Flamethrower,you might as well go with MixMence

Salamence @ Life Orb
Mild/Rash
120atk,252sp.atk,136spd
Draco Meteor
Brick Break
Flamethrower
Roost/Crunch

Your choice between roost or runch.Crunch if you wanna be bale to hit tihngs like Gengar et.al,although Ggar especially,might have HP Ice.Roost is a way of keeping your Mixmence in the game a little longer

Mexirican August 17th, 2008 4:51 PM

yeh kiddo did rly cover everything needed yeh i agree you rly should make heatran standard as much as i dont like useing standard but you want to win and using the best method helps in any sense so go for it and with the roserade yeh kiddo didnt explain it but any pokemon your going to use energy ball on grassknot will do even more because hense the name bulky water comes the sound of it being heavy. So yeh dats about all.

AluminumKnight August 21st, 2008 7:22 AM

Looks like a bunch of our posts poofed...

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Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3865324)
I WAS going to try rate this with a quote seeing as nobody else had,but honestly,i can see why.You should retype in a smaller,more ordinary font.I'm sure a lot of people have read this,and have been to polite to point tihs out.I have been getting stick for my grammar recently,but at least i type in a font that,when i do type with more grammar,people can read it.

Sorry about the font thing. That's what you get when you copy paste from Word and don't pay attention. That being said, it's only slightly bigger than the normal font, I don't see why you can't quote it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3865324)
I can't see any massive problems with y

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3865324)
our team,apart from Heatran.Go with a standard,as Heatran is more of a tank,due to it being bullky.

I think I'm gonna go with Scarftran. I lack speed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3865324)
Also,put more EVs into Special Attack,less into speed on Roserade,as it's really oing to struggle to even 2HKO stuff with those EVs.Timid plus 108 EVs isn't goign to be slow.I'm no expert,but try these:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3865324)

Roserade @ Black Sludge
Natural Cure
Timid
252hp,148sp.atk,108spd
Leech Seed
Substitute/Toxic Spikes???
Aromatherapy
Grass Knot

For some reason you have HP Grass on Heatran,which i would drop,as it doesn't do much for it,as if you leave it in against a Ground type they're going to EQ you to kingdom come,and if you leave Heatran in against a Water,then you're as crzy as your font suggests.Grass Knot will deal with the likes of Swampert,Suicune and other bulky waters and Ground types.If you're against a slow Tyranitar,it will deal more of a hit to that too,as despite Special Defense not being Ttar's thing,it's still quite a good stat.Roserade doesn't have the highest of HP,so subbing is goign to cripple it,even with those EVs,whihc are needed.Toxic Spikes alows you to poison pokemon on the ground switching in,which would be even beter than jsut the spikes of Forretress alone.

Good suggestions. I'll definitely go with Grass Knot, but Sub has worked well for me in the past on Roserade, so I'll have to be very impressed with Toxic Spikes in it's place to change it permanently. I'll give it a test though.

About HP Grass on Heatran: I assumed it was there to nail bulky grounds/rocks on the predicted switch. When I change to Scarf I'll reconsider the HP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3865324)
Your ddmence coudl do with having different EVs,more like
252atk,252spd,4hp,giving it more firepower and speed to start with,as you won't DD in all situations.Also,Fire Blast isn't the wisest choice.Firstly,you have no special attack EVs,and secondly,it has low accuracy,so if you want a special fire move,go with Flamethrower,but otherwise,go more liek this:

Salamence @ Life Orb
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Flamethrower/Fire Fang

the bold one is my favourite for a DDmence,but if you're oging with Flamethrower,you might as well go with MixMence

Well, Fire Blast is there to break physical walls like Forry or Skarm, but I suppose Flamethrower does that while being accurate, so I'll go with it. Also, I need the bulky EVs in order to take on Heracross.

Divine~Deoxys August 21st, 2008 9:08 AM

I have no idea waht happened to all our posts.Oh,well.Yeah,i wouldn't ever see Heatran as having HP Grass.HP Ice,maybe,HP Grass,nono.Roserade will be fine iwth or without Toxic Spikes,it was jsut a suggestion


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