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Johto Legend 17 August 14th, 2008 2:44 PM

Real Kitsunes?
 
I remeber a year ago when I was looking up stuff about kitsunes (You know like the pokemon ninetales). I came across a website that said is for real kitsunes! I did check back on the website but it dosent work anymore luckily I got some stories from the real kitsunes themselves (That is if they are real or not) Here is one of them its called life as a real kitsune: (Not by me)

On Being a Kitsune
5/14/03
By: Duo
The Kitsune, athough one species and race, are all unique, and the experiences of such tend to be varying from person-to-person. The purpose of this essay is not to tell what being a kitsune is like, rather it is to paint a picture on what it is like to be one from my own point of view. This is not to say that this essay cannot be used as a reference, but it is up to the reader to draw their own conclusions based on one's own experiences and observations.
How long ago I was awakened to the fact that I was a kitsune? Its been about roughly several years, give or take. I was always awakened to at least some degree in my life, so its hard for me to get an exact estimate. Like my awakening eperiences, my knowledge on such things is also ranging, and for myself it is a constant life quest to seek out others like myself, and therefore glean further knowledge on who and what I am. I will say though that at first it started out with the little things. The form itself became the most blatantly apparent. At the time this first started occuring my mind could not rationalise the exhistence of more than one tail, and thusly my four tails where consolidated into one large, puffy tail. Later findings of course brought these out again. Probably the phantom sensations that manifested themselves the strongest was, believe it or not, the ears. Contrary to some of the various animes that depict kitsune, my ears where located in the same place as the ears on a human head. At first I honestly thought that those small round human ears could in fact flex and rotate. I could feel them vividly twitch and rotate at the smallest sound, and in some cases it almost seemed as if my normally poor hearing would suddenly become acute and vivid for sporadic amounts of time. My senses as a whole seemed to increase and improve, though sometimes I wonder if they weren't always that way, when looking back on various patterns and flows in my life. It may have been the fact that I was born with synesthesia. Either way, whatever senses I've had seemed to become sharper, or I've become more aware of them, or both. Everything in life seemed to take on a new meaning to me, or rather a new feel. Shortly after came the strange intuitions, the dreams, all became more apparent and more vivid.
Soon everything began to click for me. One pattern that remained constant in my life in early childhood was my fascination,my attraction and my love for Asian culture. I can specifically recall being dazzled in a store in the Chinatown at the Bahamas with the art and language. I was only five then, but instantly my mind and my heart connected. It all seemed so familiar. It all seemed to make sense to me, even though its meaning was lost to my white Roman Catholic parents. It didn't seem to matter to me though, everything seemed to connect from within. It was later that I found the strange exercises and hand-gestures that I used to calm myself and to channel energy where very similar if not identical to gestures used in Tai Chi and other forms of martial arts. The dreams then came, or rather became apparent to me as part of something meaningful and not just a part of some random quirkiness. Following strongly on the heels of all of this was the external confirmation. I've worked with children for the past three years, and it never ceases to amaze me how perceptive they are and how open they still are to things that many times become lost in the adult world. Probably one of the most amusing of such little external confirmations was when one of the children walked up to me and asked me if I was Japanese. I must also note that physically I am about as caucasian and as Irish-looking as my parents. People have also told me that I resemble a fox, and that they have seen my eyes glow, among other things. At first I used to find all these things outlandish, but over the years as I awakened more to myself and discovered more things I grew to accept all this as part of who I am.
I consider being a kitsune a unique experience, a different flavor, if you will. I do not consider myself anthro or furry...If one must put a label to myself the best one would be "otherkin" or "spiritual therian". To me the difference is as apparent as diet coke versus regular. An anthro-fox or someone with "fox" as a totem is not a kitsune, though a kitsune can adopt and anthro-form. Though the shape and habits are similar, a fox and a kitsune hail from two separate worlds. A kitsune is very much in touch with the magic and energy flows around them, and many of us are psivamps, including myself. Though, this all gets trickier because kitsune, like so many other sentients, are unique individually in their own right. I myself am a nogitsune, a "void kitsune". I am a psivamp, and in many cases I manipulate and am sensitive to what most people would call the "darker" energies or forces of nature and/or the universe. Nogitsune are celestial kitsune that have not pledged themselves to Inari. I suppose its safe to say that, unlike the myobu, we make up our own rules to the game. At least I know I do. And thats what muddles the mixture even further is the fact that I am also a shinigami. Food for thought, kiddies.
A picture began ot become apparent over this long and slow awakening process. It was one of a young, glossy black kitsune with a silver tail and ear tips, a perfect marriage of onyx and argent, with glowing violet eyes and an equally glowing violet aura. And sometimes that fox was a young boy with long onyx hair that flowed down his back and veiled his foxish eyes, and an eternally playful, mischievous smile. It was me. It was who I am. And what followed was, well, history, and much of it is still in the making. And thats the most delightful thing about being a kitsune, in my opinion

Yeah very long it was made by someone named duo. Its interesting but whoever this is could be lying still. On the other hand there are many mysteries of things that we dont know about.

Megera August 14th, 2008 4:01 PM

I know you're 16 and it's fun to live in a fantasy world, but I'm saving you from turning into a believer of new age/psychic/other paranormal stuff. This person has successfully deluded themselves into thinking they are "kitsune" (they could be lying too), but unless there's evidence or even video showing people using their kitsune powers (even then it's not necessarily true thanks to special effects), then this guy's just feeding some steaming hot manure by the spoonful to anyone who will listen.

Johto Legend 17 August 15th, 2008 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Megera (Post 3857590)
I know you're 16 and it's fun to live in a fantasy world, but I'm saving you from turning into a believer of new age/psychic/other paranormal stuff. This person has successfully deluded themselves into thinking they are "kitsune" (they could be lying too), but unless there's evidence or even video showing people using their kitsune powers (even then it's not necessarily true thanks to special effects), then this guy's just feeding some steaming hot manure by the spoonful to anyone who will listen.


Now why say that I told you and everyone else that there are mysteries in the world that man themselves dont know about. Who knows if kitsunes are real are not but I kinda agree with you with the lying thing i mean really. But I still wont stop believing in the paranormal. Why dont you watch ghost hunters or visit a haunted house yourself then!

Kitty-Kat August 15th, 2008 1:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Megera (Post 3857590)
I know you're 16 and it's fun to live in a fantasy world, but I'm saving you from turning into a believer of new age/psychic/other paranormal stuff. This person has successfully deluded themselves into thinking they are "kitsune" (they could be lying too), but unless there's evidence or even video showing people using their kitsune powers (even then it's not necessarily true thanks to special effects), then this guy's just feeding some steaming hot manure by the spoonful to anyone who will listen.

He never said he ACTUALLY believed in them, you know. He was just showing us a cool essay about what it would be like from the eyes of a kitsune.

Personally, I think it's really cool :D I've never really been interested in that kind of thing a whole lot, but I enjoyed it. ^^

Johto Legend 17 August 15th, 2008 1:39 PM

Remember this guy could be a kitsune and this whole time we thought he lied. By the way I have a poll up above. Please vote!

Megera August 15th, 2008 2:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitty-Kat (Post 3859442)
He never said he ACTUALLY believed in them, you know.

I know that, but usually when someone is curious about something as frivolous as a kitsune, they have beliefs in other crap like that. And hey, it turned out to be true (see below).

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Now why say that I told you and everyone else that there are mysteries in the world that man themselves dont know about. Who knows if kitsunes are real are not but I kinda agree with you with the lying thing i mean really. But I still wont stop believing in the paranormal. Why dont you watch ghost hunters or visit a haunted house yourself then!
1) Haunted Houses are a placebo effect. If you believe that there are ghosts around you, any noises/anything that the owners set up will make you think that they are ghosts.

2) I'm afraid of bugs. I'd be paying more attention to those than anything else.

3) I have a strict policy of not giving money to scammers.

4) Ghost Hunters is on the SciFi channel. Do you know what SciFi is short for?

5) As I wrote before, it is sadly easy to make special effects in this day and age, so much so that we can hardly use videos as evidence. They're more of a starting point now. "Oh, this happened here? Let's go check it out."

6) If you were a ghost, why would you stay in a house? Why not go to space? Or in the deep parts of the ocean? Or go see things that you wanted to see before you died? Why would you stay wherever you died?

txteclipse August 15th, 2008 3:24 PM

I say that science is very young at the moment, and that there's a lot we don't understand. To utterly disregard something on the basis that there is currently no scientific evidence to support it is actually anti-scientific. The only way scientific understanding can develop is if we aren't content with current understanding. I'm not saying I believe in Kitsunes, or that the Ghost Hunter shows are realistic, but I wouldn't completely toss out the "supernatural aspect". The supernatural has become the natural too many times.

This, however, stands out to me as false. The glowing eyes thing and the channeling of energy and such just doesn't do it for me. I don't think the spiritual realm, whether you believe it exists or not, would extend in a physical sense into the physical realm. I think emotions and thoughts may be affected, but I don't think people can shape-shift into a multiple-tailed fox and whatnot.

Megera August 15th, 2008 6:15 PM

Give me some examples of when the supernatural has become the natural.

Nick August 15th, 2008 7:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Megera (Post 3859996)
Give me some examples of when the supernatural has become the natural.

I don't see why you are so fixed on telling everyone that there is no such thing as the paranormal. Yes, you can have your opinions, but the way you share them make it seem like yours are more dominant than others and that you are just putting them down for believing in something that you don't. It's none of your business, really, whether or not they believe in something and telling them to give you some examples of when supernatural becomes natural is just impossible for them to do. Clearly you don't know the definition of supernatural and are a bit headstrong on that fact. It's like your telling someone not to believe in something they strongly believe in, like God, or canned ham.

Yes, I agree with you on the fact that this particular essay is a fake and probably written by some teenager for an assignment in a creative writing class or something.

Megera August 15th, 2008 7:43 PM

I'm not saying that my beliefs are more right than yours or anyone else's. I am simply stating that there is no proof for anyone who thinks critically to believe in ghosts or the paranormal. If you say that something exists, then you'd better have some evidence to back it up. Sorry, but that's how the world works, dollface.

Gymnotide August 15th, 2008 7:47 PM

The essay is an excerpt from this website:
http://kitsune.dreamhart.org/

I cbf reading it nao, but that's what a Google search gets you.

txteclipse August 15th, 2008 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Megera (Post 3859996)
Give me some examples of when the supernatural has become the natural.

Lightning. No one understood it, and then it was found to be electricity and humanity gained control over it. Just because something doesn't have a scientific explanation doesn't mean it won't be given one eventually. We just can't understand or measure it with current technology.

Megera August 15th, 2008 11:14 PM

Yeah, but everyone can see and acknowledge the existence of lightning.

Nick August 15th, 2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Megera (Post 3860207)
I'm not saying that my beliefs are more right than yours or anyone else's. I am simply stating that there is no proof for anyone who thinks critically to believe in ghosts or the paranormal. If you say that something exists, then you'd better have some evidence to back it up. Sorry, but that's how the world works, dollface.

I didn't say that you did say that you're beliefs are more right than other's. I simply said that you're making it seem as though they are by how you say what you said. Yes, I understand that there is evidence needed to show that something exists, I never said you didn't. Which is why I said that I agree that I don't believe that whomever wrote this was a real "kitsune". And what I'm saying is that paranormal cannot be explained and there is no evidence that it is real or it isn't real. Evidence is irrelivant for many people when it comes to the paranormal, "dollface".

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Originally Posted by Gymnotide (Post 3860219)
The essay is an excerpt from this website:
http://kitsune.dreamhart.org/

I cbf reading it nao, but that's what a Google search gets you.

It states that it's an essay based on a dream.. so basically this topic is about.. dreaming that you're a kitsune?.. Interesting.

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Originally Posted by txteclipse (Post 3860624)
Lightning. No one understood it, and then it was found to be electricity and humanity gained control over it. Just because something doesn't have a scientific explanation doesn't mean it won't be given one eventually. We just can't understand or measure it with current technology.

Lightning isn't exactly the best "evidence" of paranormal because people just see it as nature, which is completely natural and has always been natural.

Megera August 15th, 2008 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru (Post 3860680)
I didn't say that you did say that you're beliefs are more right than other's.

Well I didn't say that you didn't say that I didn't say ah, forget it. =P

Amoeba August 16th, 2008 1:21 AM

Well... there's nothing noticeably different about this person other than his own perception of himself. If there is anything different about him, then the evidence is stacked against him. I don't think its real, and I won't think so until I see some proof. It just seems like someone who thinks they're a kitsune, one can only take his word for it. It might have been different if there was something unusual that other people could pick upon, but going by the text, there isn't.

Oh, and no, I'm not a kitsune.

Johto Legend 17 August 16th, 2008 1:23 PM

Some of you are right. Some tv shows about the paranormal is totally fake but some are real. You all have to get this through your thick heads that there is spirits in this world (Mabey kitsunes.) You guys are way to down to earth you need to lift up a bit.

Nick August 16th, 2008 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune Link (Post 3862492)
Some of you are right. Some tv shows about the paranormal is totally fake but some are real. You all have to get this through your thick heads that there is spirits in this world (Mabey kitsunes.) You guys are way to down to earth you need to lift up a bit.

I don't think you should make that kind of assumption, for many of us even stated that we believe in the paranormal, I being one of them. The essay was from a source that was based on a dream is the point. That does not mean they are real, that does not mean they are fake. Calling us thick headed won't result in us thinking that there are kitsunes in the world. After all, it's clear that you aren't taking to what anyone else into consent.

I, myself, don't believe in kitsunes, however I do believe in the paranormal, which contains more than just what you believe in. But that is for a different subject. The point I'm trying to make is that everyone has an opinion on whether or not there is a paranormal world beyond our own. Many people believe there is, while many people don't. That's just the way it is. Nothing anyone can do can change it. It's the same with what's in that paranormal world. Some people don't believe there are kitsunes, while others do. Again, that's just the way it is. It's exactly the point I believe Marada was trying to make.

Scarlet Weather August 16th, 2008 6:29 PM

I can't prove the existence of a kitsune, one way or the other, but I can prove one thing: this particular "essay" has several problems with it that interfere with my ability to accept it as fact.

Alright, before I begin- I'm a Christian, so I believe in the paranormal. However, I also believe that it's something you shouldn't mess with. Remember what happened to Faust? Yeah, that's pretty much why. If you're fooled into obsessing over illusions, you'll miss what's really important. And I'm also of the belief that any "real" ghosts, monsters, etc. are illusions of a sort, meant to ensnare the mind.

I will, however, for the purpose of argument, examine this essay with an open mind, accepting that kitsunes may or may not exist. One problem? If they do, this essay is far from being any sort of "proof".

Note that the writer of the essay quotes as "evidence" the fact that he or she has been told in the past that they "look like a fox" and "their eyes glow", as well as the fact that despite being Irish, small children often ask "are you Japanese". Other evidences include an attraction to Asian culture, which to me is extremely telling. First of all, these "evidences" are largely subjective. I know a girl at my school who is Irish. She also complains of being asked "are you Japanese"? She looks as caucasian as anyone else I know. However, she is nowhere near being a kitsune. In fact, she is also a Christian, so she emphatically denies the existence of spiritual beings that are not angels or devils. Furthermore, I have blue eyes. They look like the glow in the right lighting. Not exactly the kind of glow a cat would give off, but it's still there. Looking like a fox? Not proof. Anyone who looks slightly shifty and has an orange-ish shade of hair could have that said about them. As for the obsession with Asian culture, particularly Chinese and Japanese.... well, I'm also obsessed with Asian culture, though I'll admit that I'm no good with Tai Chi (I am, however, an established student of "anything goes grappling".) That doesn't mean anything beyond a love of foreign culture. My younger sisters are obsessed with all things Irish, including traditional Irish dancing. This, however, does not mean that they are leprechauns, Cait Sidhe, brownies, sprites, boggarts, etc.

Further along, this person goes off and claims to be a shinigami as well. I quote:

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Though, this all gets trickier because kitsune, like so many other sentients, are unique individually in their own right. I myself am a nogitsune, a "void kitsune". I am a psivamp, and in many cases I manipulate and am sensitive to what most people would call the "darker" energies or forces of nature and/or the universe. Nogitsune are celestial kitsune that have not pledged themselves to Inari. I suppose its safe to say that, unlike the myobu, we make up our own rules to the game. At least I know I do. And thats what muddles the mixture even further is the fact that I am also a shinigami. Food for thought, kiddies.
What. The. Heck.

Seriously, how is one a kitsune and a shinigami? Is he claiming to have power over life and death? Run like hell, kiddies, because this guy has just claimed the power of Light Yagami and Naruto, all in less than two pages of text! Just reading his own gratuitous descriptions of his abilities and status is enough to convince me that this is not a genuine kitsuhinigamine, but in fact a very confused Irish person with a Kira complex (i.e., convinced that not only is he a god, but a Japanese one. With power over life and death.) And what is a psivamp again? I forget. Does it fall into the usual abilities associated with a kitsune? Refresher- the kitsune is a shape-shifter, and its two most common forms in legend are buddhist priests (whoops, sorry, scratch that- that's a tanuki) or a beautiful girl. Illusions are also associated. The ability to pull double-duty as the grim reaper and psychic abilities? Not that I've heard of.

But the real clincher is here. Read this closely, all of you who are discerning about Mary-sues in fanfiction:

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A picture began ot become apparent over this long and slow awakening process. It was one of a young, glossy black kitsune with a silver tail and ear tips, a perfect marriage of onyx and argent, with glowing violet eyes and an equally glowing violet aura. And sometimes that fox was a young boy with long onyx hair that flowed down his back and veiled his foxish eyes, and an eternally playful, mischievous smile. It was me. It was who I am. And what followed was, well, history, and much of it is still in the making. And thats the most delightful thing about being a kitsune, in my opinion
Sounds to me like an overblown suethor's description of their main character, right down to the purple prose and spotty spelling and grammar. Just from reading this I can already diagnose the case: this poor kid is an Asian-obsessed person who wants more than humanity can give him. He's uncomfortable with being an ordinary person. So he invents a better, more amazing version of himself. In many ways, I do the same thing when I write- lose myself in a fictional world (though I stick to believable fictional characters, I hope, when I share my writing). So in that respect, I pity him. It's horrible when someone tricks himself like this.

Don't get lost looking for the supernatural. You'll only get hurt. Believe me, if you're meant to find the supernatural, it'll come to you.

Gymnotide August 16th, 2008 7:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Thesis (Post 3863321)
My younger sisters are obsessed with all things Irish, including traditional Irish dancing. This, however, does not mean that they are leprechauns, Cait Sidhe, brownies, sprites, boggarts, etc.

Seriously, how is one a kitsune and a shinigami? Is he claiming to have power over life and death? Run like hell, kiddies, because this guy has just claimed the power of Light Yagami and Naruto, all in less than two pages of text!

Arr, I was too lazy to type up a post like this, but you've done it 50x better than I could have.
Funniest stuff ever. +rep

Anyways, the poll is messed. I'm picking both for the hell of it.

Fallen Angel_Messiah Of Black Roses August 22nd, 2008 1:26 PM

A psi-vamp is slightly more realistic then a Kitsune, it's a being that relies on anothers energy to live, it can get that energy that "synching" with people (Or something)

Jaimes August 23rd, 2008 2:39 AM

Guess who's back.. back again.

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Originally Posted by Kitsune Link (Post 3862492)
Some tv shows about the paranormal is totally fake but some are real. You all have to get this through your thick heads that there is spirits in this world (Mabey kitsunes.) You guys are way to down to earth you need to lift up a bit.

If something was definately real, like an orangutan, Mars, the Beijing Olympics, Napoleon- not only would there be substantial evidence or proof, but also little (or no) counter-evidence from reliable sources.
No matter how strongly you believe in something, whether true or not, does not deem it to be real. You need to get into your thick head that youre not always correct.

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Just from reading this I can already diagnose the case: this poor kid is an Asian-obsessed person who wants more than humanity can give him. He's uncomfortable with being an ordinary person. So he invents a better, more amazing version of himself.
Sadly true.

Crimson Arcanine August 23rd, 2008 3:05 AM

Belief in something thats not proven is okay, But if you believe something totally blindly without presenting creditable evidence is not smart.

Who knows kitsune may exist, vampires might as well, any number of supernatural creatures abilities and the paranormal may exist. But without concrete proof you can never claim that they definitely exist. And unfortunately not everyone that claims that something exists is right, and there are a lot of con-artists out there and of course those who just lie and those other who are writing just fiction.

Its smart to take anything you find out with a pinch of salt.

the bitter end. August 24th, 2008 12:22 PM

Fake, that's all there is to it. Some others I'm not so sure, like Moke`le` M`bembe` could be real.

Roy G. Biv August 24th, 2008 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru (Post 3860167)
Yes, I agree with you on the fact that this particular essay is a fake and probably written by some teenager for an assignment in a creative writing class or something.

A teenager who later got bullied by almost everyone in school for thinking he's Naruto :3

It actually was an interesting read, like somebody's first fan-fic on an anime community ;D


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