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Divine~Deoxys August 15th, 2008 2:33 AM

RMT Shoddy.Me trying tactics =/Fail?
 
Okay,i'm, trying not to be an idiot who uses no tactics here.Is this Sandstorm team good or bad?

[email protected] Choice Band
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
Stone Edge
EQ
Crunch
Pursuit

Same moves as CB Ttar,but i like speedy things best as leads.Gone for maxximum damage attacks msotly,with Pursuit as an add-on.

Swampert @ Leftovers
Careful
240hp,52atk,216def
Sleep Talk
Earthquake
Avalanche
Rest

Trying out a RestalkSpert.Some of my favourite attacks,plus somthing to make them better at hurting things while healing.Never use Stone Edge on a Swampert,as it has low accuracy,adnb low accuracy non-STAB doesn't make much sense to me.

Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Jolly
4hp,252atk,252spd
Swords Dance
Dragon Claw
Fire Fang
Earthquake

Don't actually like Garchomp,but one pokemon i don't like in an entire team in return for a lot more KOs seems a fair trade for me.Gone DC over Outrage as i don't want to be stuck on outrage if a Skarmory switches in.Sand Stream is just the icing on the cake for me.

Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Timid
252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
HP Ice
Thunderbolt

ScarfGar

Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Adamant
54hp,252atk,192spd
Ice Shard
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Ice Fang

I'm finally realising that speed isn't everything in OU now.

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Liquid Ooze
Calm
204hp,96sp.atk,172sp.def,36spd
Surf
Ice Beam
Rapid Spin
Toxic Spikes

I always have trouble covering tihngs on the ground when i use SR.


So,is it any good?

El Gofre August 15th, 2008 5:27 AM

If lucario dies, physical walls are going to laugh in your face all day long. You seriously need to bring in something that can hit special-wise. You also have no walls, just the occasional physical tank. A competant special sweeper will also destroy you. Both the above need changing before we can even touch on movesets.

Beginnings August 15th, 2008 6:23 AM

You need walls.
Otherwise MixApe comes in and goes OMG LOL!!!
as it runs through your entire team for supereffective damage,
pull out Torterra, for a physical wall, if you want to stick with "sandstorm" put in Skarmory, Gliscor, or Hippowdon, as for special walls there's not much that resists SS I'ld recommend a [email protected], lefties cancels ss damage, and blissey's awesome.

sims796 August 15th, 2008 6:28 AM

Torterra is no wall, even if he changed his set. More of a tank, as he cannot heal himself well enough. & Mixape will still cause him mysery & woe.

Skip Shot August 15th, 2008 7:29 AM

Before I rate this, I thought you would like to know tat most SS teams I encounter usually only have 3-4 Pokemon that resist SS, including one Sand Streamer.



Quote:

Okay,i'm, trying not to be an idiot who uses no tactics here.Is this Sandstorm team good or bad?

[email protected] Leftovers
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
Stone Edge
EQ
Crunch
Pursuit

Same moves as CB Ttar,but i like speedy things best as leads.Gone for maxximum damage attacks msotly,with Pursuit as an add-on. Since you don't have the CB boost, I would consider DD>> Crunch/Pursuit. Also, Ttar isn't tat speedy, but it can make some noise in the speed department after a DD.

Swampert @ Leftovers
Careful
240hp,52atk,216def
Sleep Talk
Earthquake
Avalanche
Rest

Trying out a RestalkSpert.Some of my favourite attacks,plus somthing to make them better at hurting things while healing.Never use Stone Edge on a Swampert,as it has low accuracy,adnb low accuracy non-STAB doesn't make much sense to me. Reasonable.

Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Jolly
4hp,252atk,252spd
Swords Dance
Dragon Claw
Fire Fang
Earthquake

Don't actually like Garchomp,but one pokemon i don't like in an entire team in return for a lot more KOs seems a fair trade for me.Gone DC over Outrage as i don't want to be stuck on outrage if a Skarmory switches in.Sand Stream is just the icing on the cake for me. K

Torterra @ Leftovers
Impish
252hp,20def,236spd
Leech Seed
Substitute
Earthquake
Toxic

Love Leech Seed,jsut love it.Unless it's used against me. Terra doesnt really do so well on teams anymore, as it can die to a Mxape Flamthrower. I would pull him out.

Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Adamant
54hp,252atk,192spd
Ice Shard
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Ice Fang

I'm finally realising that speed isn't everything in OU now. Not rlly. that's only for those who can take attacks, not those who attack. Ok set.

Lucario @ Choice Specs
Modest
Steadfast
4def,252sp.atk,252spd
Vacuum Wave
Aura Sphere
HP Ice
Dark Pulse

SpecsLuke.All it is.My special sweeper.Benefits form not being harmed by Sandstorm while still being a threat ot many pokes. K

So,is it any good?
Your problem is that your team consists of 2 tanks, 3 phyiscal attckers, and 1 special attacker. I think you really need to consider changing this stuff around a little. Let's take a look at your current team

Tar- Chomp- Terra- Pert- Luke- Mamo

Tar and Chomp can stay in there;Tar to lead, Chomp to physical attack. Now we need a phyiscal wall. Luke really doesn;t do as well as a lot of other sp. atackers in the metagame. Let's focus on your main problem, a dire need of sp. attackers and Pokes wh don't die to HP Ice Mixape.

All of the good special sweepers do die to mixape in some way or another, so let's choose Heatran for this team. Specs Tran with Fire Blast works fine.

Next, you need some walls. In the physical department, Forry and Gliscor are two of the tops. We'll go with standard Gliscor with AA to get Mixape(not sure if it OHKO's or not, but can scare).

As for a special wall, Blissey with Lefties can come in. As Beginnings said, Blissey's Lefties will nullify SS damage, and blissey can come in and take a good sp. attk, whihch your old team would practically fail to do.

For a final slot, I would put a mixed sweeper to come in and surprise. Mixmence can come in and fill that job. Go Fire Blast/ Draco Meteor/ Brick Break/ Roost. Roost is there to recover SS and LO damage that can hinder Mence.

So, your new team is:

CB Tar- Yache Chomp- Bliss- Mixmence- SpecsTran- AA Gliscor

EDIT: Oops, I just realized something. This team is pretty Machamp weak. Maybe run Skarm as a Physical Wall?

ABYAY August 15th, 2008 8:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3858230)
Okay I'm, trying not to be an idiot who uses no tactics here. Is this Sandstorm team good or bad?

[email protected] Life Orb
Jolly/Naive
252atk,252spd,4hp
Stone Edge
EQ
Crunch
Pursuit/Fire Blast

Same moves as CB Ttar,but i like speedy things best as leads.Gone for maximum damage attacks mostly, with Pursuit as an add-on.

Tyranitar isn't the greatest speedy lead out there. If you want to lead with this, try...

[email protected] Lum Berry
Sassy, (3 speed IVs)
240HP/36atk/48def/184sp.def

Taunt/Substitute
Fire Punch
Thunder (or Thunderbolt, although this set needs to hit hard.)
Crunch

This set appears to be a very weird set, but it counters the top leads of the metagame. 401 HP and 310 Special Defense + Sandstorm allow Tyranitar to survive a 359 Special Attack Life Orb Gengar's Focus Blast over 97% of the time. 401 HP and 268 Defense allow Tyranitar to survive a Waterfall from a 383 Attack Choice Band Gyarados on average. The Taunt/Sub is there for ruining Sleep Powder openers (if you predict correctly.) The low speed minimizes Bronzong's ability to resorting to a 5HKO with Gyro Ball, assuming it has minimum attack.

Of course, you could always lead with standard CBTar.


Swampert @ Leftovers
Impish
240hp,52atk,216def
Sleep Talk
Earthquake
Avalanche
Rest

Trying out a RestalkSpert.Some of my favourite attacks,plus something to make them better at hurting things while healing. Never use Stone Edge on a Swampert,as it has low accuracy, and low accuracy non-STAB doesn't make much sense to me.

I'll go with this.

Garchomp @ Yache Berry
Jolly
4hp,252atk,252spd
Swords Dance
Dragon Claw
Fire Fang
Earthquake

Don't actually like Garchomp,but one pokemon i don't like in an entire team in return for a lot more KOs seems a fair trade for me.Gone DC over Outrage as i don't want to be stuck on outrage if a Skarmory switches in.Sand Stream is just the icing on the cake for me.

I've never used Garchomp, so this is fine. Just note that you can't 2HKO some things without Outrage, but Claw will be fine.

Torterra @ Leftovers
Impish
212HP/252Def/44spd

Wood Hammer
Earthquake/Stone Edge
Leech Seed
Stealth Rock/Protect/Toxic


Love Leech Seed,just love it.Unless it's used against me.

Torterra isn't a very good sub-seeder due to its high HP. The set I posted basically improves yours and gives more potential. I threw Toxic up in the last slot because Torterra can leech the hell out of HP with Toxic, Seeding, and Sandstorm.

Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Adamant
54hp,252atk,192spd
Ice Shard
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Ice Fang

I'm finally realizing that speed isn't everything in OU now.

A lot of teams are Mamoswine weak. Now, I know I may sound stupid saying this, but you could even opt for something like Bite in that last slot to hit things like Mismagius, Cresselia, and Gengar a little harder. However, that's just a small novelty suggestion.

Lucario @ Choice Specs
Modest
Steadfast
4def,252sp.atk,252spd
Vacuum Wave
Aura Sphere
HP Ice
Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball

SpecsLuke.All it is.My special sweeper.Benefits form not being harmed by Sandstorm while still being a threat ot many pokes.

Props for not going SD Luke. Shadow Ball is also usable in the last slot.

So,is it any good?

You have an extreme lack of special attacking, so if Lucario dies, then you're going to have a lot of trouble with physical walls. There is also an extreme MixApe weakness, seeing as it can OHKO all of your team, barring YacheChomp, who still eats a big hit. I suggest something like Tentacruel, seeing as it can absorb Toxic Spikes that terrorize most of your Pokemon. If you want a more offensive threat, then Starmie will work, although switching in on Grass Knot will be troublesome. Also, opting for a wall like Sleep Talk Cresselia will give you some sturdiness, but it isn't required. The team is offensive, but needs some major revision in terms of team synergy so you can easily switch on predicted attacks with little damage.

A sandstorm team doesn't need every Pokemon resistant to it. That's a common mistake these days, however. Consider looking at what I've said, and give us an update whenever you can.

Divine~Deoxys August 15th, 2008 9:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 3858802)
You have an extreme lack of special attacking, so if Lucario dies, then you're going to have a lot of trouble with physical walls. There is also an extreme MixApe weakness, seeing as it can OHKO all of your team, barring YacheChomp, who still eats a big hit. I suggest something like Tentacruel, seeing as it can absorb Toxic Spikes that terrorize most of your Pokemon. If you want a more offensive threat, then Starmie will work, although switching in on Grass Knot will be troublesome. Also, opting for a wall like Sleep Talk Cresselia will give you some sturdiness, but it isn't required. The team is offensive, but needs some major revision in terms of team synergy so you can easily switch on predicted attacks with little damage.

A sandstorm team doesn't need every Pokemon resistant to it. That's a common mistake these days, however. Consider looking at what I've said, and give us an update whenever you can.

I'm oging to replace Torterra,as everyone seems to say that it's rubbish at whant i want to use it for.I tihnk i'll use CBTar as my lead,thanks for the set though,maybe i'll swap Lucario for sometihng,as actually,i don't realy like specialLuke,i jsut knew i'd get a lot of stick if i had no special sweepers.depending on how well it does on Shoddy,i may drop Mamoswine,although most likely i won't.
I'm going to use my old Azelf i had in my last RMT,as nobody seemed to have any problems with it:

Azelf @ Leftovers
4hp,252sp.ak,252spd
Nasty Plot
Flamethrower
Psychic
Grass Knot

Can anyone give me a good set for a walling Tentacruel?All i ifndo n Smogon is offensive sets asnd a support one which doesn't seem bulky enough.

sims796 August 15th, 2008 9:48 AM

Torterra is a great pokemon, despite his weaknesses.

However, you do not need it at the moment. Azelf is a fine replacement.

ABYAY August 15th, 2008 9:58 AM

Tentacruel can't technically "wall". It does have great sp.def, but common weaknesses tear it down. Use the support set.

Keep SpecsLuke because it's awesome, and gives you a defense vs. Weavile, which causes a LOT of problems for you. Azelf, I wouldn't recommend due to it adding to your Weavile weakness. Consider something else that's a special threat that can live against Weavile. Heatran can work, but you have a nasty ground weakness as it is. Scarfed Gengar can revenge kill Weavile, so keep note of that too. It also serves as a ground resist, though not a very good one. I know it's weak to Pursuit, but at least you threaten a swift KO against it.

sims796 August 15th, 2008 9:59 AM

Oh yeah, Weavile, my bad.

Pokemaster1993 August 15th, 2008 10:35 AM

on ttar, you don't need 2 dark moves. replace one of them for another move. on chompy, replace fire fang for fire blast/flamethrower so you don't get wall'd by skarm. on mamoswine, same with ttar. take out one ice move and put another move. and use all of the evs, not just leave out 2.

sims796 August 15th, 2008 10:55 AM

Before you give a rate, make sure you have full understanding of why he might be making certain moves. The two dark moves are pretty essential, because one hits pokemon switching out, and the other move, Crunch is a more reliable move. Samewith Mamo. Ice Shard for quick hitting, IceFang for moar powah.

Divine~Deoxys August 15th, 2008 12:05 PM

yeah,and also,you can't havem ore than 252of any EV or they're wasted.I ithnk i'll use Thsi Gengar:

Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Timid
252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Psychic
Thunderbolt

I often use this standard.I will sue support Tenta then.I can see why i got reported a lto to start with whenever i tried rating.I ithnk i helped that guy,Swampertrulz out with his team before i gave up for a month

ABYAY August 15th, 2008 1:44 PM

Psychic has redundant coverage and it isn't needed. Go with Hidden Power Ice so you can punish dragons.

Mexirican August 15th, 2008 1:47 PM

I think your is alright but i dont rly know about the swampert idk what to say about it but just dont know. i mean it will be very hard to get enough curses in to do enough damage because he can get killed by anything with grassknot or energy ball.

. August 15th, 2008 3:49 PM

HP Ice with all of these Yache Berrys are becoming a little predicted. I'd go with Explosion, since you can finish something off which is nice.

Duckets August 16th, 2008 2:02 AM

Well this team definitely lacks the ability to hit from the special side of things. So that's a consideration. Your Tyranitar is just odd. There's no real point in leftovers as there isn't enough Hp investment to warrant it. you're better off going with a choice band as well, seeing as it's jolly, to really make sure you hit hard. Alternatively give him a complete overhaul, nature and ev's included.

If your worried about skarmory switching in on Garchomp, your better off going with fireblast over fire fang. A skarmory if trained properly will just sponge off a fire fang easily and set up on you.

There's no absolute need for a whole lot of walls in a team, so long as you can predict well and use your team to wall what you need.

Having DDChomp, CBTar and CBSwine seems like a bit overkill and you could always switch one out for something that can be used as a good wall. Some steel types would be welcome as a lot of those provide you with a lot of resistances.

that's all i have to say really :)

Divine~Deoxys August 16th, 2008 2:42 AM

Ok,thanks for all the new advice.I'm jsut going to edit my original post form now on.But,i iwll say,i have got HP Ice on Gengar,i forgot to put Choice Band on Ttar yesterday but have rectified that mistake,adn Mexirican,try to read the posts properly,i had Resttalk spert when yo posted,not Cursespert.

Skip Shot August 16th, 2008 10:27 AM

Quote:

There's no absolute need for a whole lot of walls in a team, so long as you can predict well and use your team to wall what you need.
Really, he has no walls. He has a Swampert to tank on the physical side and Tenta to support. Is this bad? Notreally. Just don't call them walls.

I like the additions of Gar and Tenta, becasue it provides you with a little special firepower, and you aren't as Machamp/ Basic Mixape weak as you used to be.

Divine~Deoxys August 16th, 2008 1:44 PM

Hey mate,no ofence,but take this fomr someone its happened to.Shut up before you get reported for spamming.I jsut ouinfd out my Mamoswine can take out a Wobby though

Skip Shot August 16th, 2008 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3862547)
Hey mate,no ofence,but take this fomr someone its happened to.Shut up before you get reported for spamming.I jsut ouinfd out my Mamoswine can take out a Wobby though

That wasn't a spam, I was just replying to someone who said that you had a lot of walls on a team, when you had NO walls, just tanks and support.

Quote:

HP Ice with all of these Yache Berrys are becoming a little predicted. I'd go with Explosion, since you can finish something off which is nice
Agreed, YacheChomp is overly redundant these days. Explosion over HP Ice works.

Another thing I noticed is that Rapid Spin may not be entirely neccessary, but u can keep it if u want. However, your team isn't SR weak at all, and only Gar and Tenta take neutral damage from it. Everone else takes less. You could put HP Electric>> it, seeing as DD LO Gyara with Bite can go through everyone besides Pert.

Dark Azelf August 16th, 2008 2:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3862547)
Hey mate,no ofence,but take this fomr someone its happened to.Shut up before you get reported for spamming.I jsut ouinfd out my Mamoswine can take out a Wobby though

Bad wobby user ?


Anyways, he wasnt spamming. What you posted was more along the line of spam.


Anyways, i dont think there was any need to say that, as he was only trying to help tbh =/.

. August 16th, 2008 6:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3862547)
Hey mate,no ofence,but take this fomr someone its happened to.Shut up before you get reported for spamming.I jsut ouinfd out my Mamoswine can take out a Wobby though

No offense, but you're an absolute moron. He's TRYING to help you, yet you try to act like you have experiance with this issues. Based off this team and you're grammar, you have no experiance at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardc0rerock (Post 3862618)
That wasn't a spam, I was just replying to someone who said that you had a lot of walls on a team, when you had NO walls, just tanks and support.



Agreed, YacheChomp is overly redundant these days. Explosion over HP Ice works.

Another thing I noticed is that Rapid Spin may not be entirely neccessary, but u can keep it if u want. However, your team isn't SR weak at all, and only Gar and Tenta take neutral damage from it. Everone else takes less. You could put HP Electric>> it, seeing as DD LO Gyara with Bite can go through everyone besides Pert.

Agreed, Explosion takes out things like Blissey that would completely wall you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3862680)
Bad wobby user ?


Anyways, he wasnt spamming. What you posted was more along the line of spam.


Anyways, i dont think there was any need to say that, as he was only trying to help tbh =/.

Agreed, it was just plain rude.

Divine~Deoxys August 17th, 2008 2:14 AM

jesus.YThat's the srto of thing i gto tld i was spaming and got infracted for.Has everyone gone soft once they got me banned or something?Anyway,i'm not to sure about waht to use on Gengar.Anyway,i',m trying out a Jirachi.Woud this one fiyt into my team anywhere?Maybe instead of Tenta?

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Bold
252hp,176spd,80def
Calm Mind
Wish
Psychic
HP Fighting


Maybe doing a howle shifty like this is another option:

[email protected] Choice Band
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
Stone Edge
EQ
Crunch
Pursuit

Same moves as CB Ttar,but i like speedy things best as leads.Gone for maxximum damage attacks msotly,with Pursuit as an add-on.

Swampert @ Leftovers
Careful
240hp,52atk,216def
Sleep Talk
Earthquake
Avalanche
Rest

Trying out a RestalkSpert.Some of my favourite attacks,plus somthing to make them better at hurting things while healing.Never use Stone Edge on a Swampert,as it has low accuracy,adnb low accuracy non-STAB doesn't make much sense to me.


Jirachi @ Leftovers
Bold
252hp,176spd,80def
Calm Mind
Wish
Psychic
HP Fighting

Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Timid
252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
HP Ice
Thunderbolt

ScarfGar

Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Adamant
54hp,252atk,192spd
Ice Shard
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Ice Fang

I'm finally realising that speed isn't everything in OU now.

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Liquid Ooze
Calm
204hp,96sp.atk,172sp.def,36spd
Surf
Ice Beam
Rapid Spin
Toxic Spikes

I always have trouble covering tihngs on the ground when i use SR.

Also,that thing about the Wobby,seing as poweple realised osmetims a Mamo or other ithngs can take oput a Garchomp,does that mean that Wobby shodu be OU?No.He probably was a bad Wobby user,plus it was my last poke as he had used al ubers so most of mine were dead and he was obvioulsy gonnna win unless he had a stroke.

PLease could a mod close this?This team isn't going to work for me.

Dark Azelf August 17th, 2008 6:07 AM

Closed on thread makers request.


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