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sims796 August 22nd, 2008 4:18 PM

My Current Team
 
I was bored, so I decided to post a team rate. Please, rate away. I may or may not take your suggestions, but please, feel free to make any & all suggestions, as I'm feeling kinda relaxed & mellow. Still, don't remove Plume, as he is win, and you are not. Also, if you can help it, could you not suggest legendaries? Thanks.


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Nature:Impish
EV:252 HP, 20 Atk, 232 Def
Leaf Blade
Roar
Protect
Wish

I'm using him as my prime defense, of sorts. Wish has proved invaluable so far, especially to my Luke.


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Nature:Adamant
EV:216 HP, 16 Atk, 176 Def, 100 Spe
Dragon Dance
Taunt
Waterfall
Stone Edge

I need Bulkydos in order to cover for what Leafeon can''t wall, such as Weavile & Heracross. Still, I do not like this EV spread. Can someone suggest a spread that is more offensive, yet still retains it's bulkiness?


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Nature:Adamant
Nature:252 Atk, 252 Spe, 6 whatever
Close Combat
Crunch
Extremespeed
Swords Dance

SD Luke is hard to wipe out, and can OHKO Dark's Weezig everytime.


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Nature:Hasty
EV:252 Sp.Atk, 252 Spe, 6 w/e
Nasty Plot
Thuder Bolt
Hidden Power [ICE]
Focus Punch

He's actually been pretty reliable thus far. I pray they make Garchomp uber, so I can use him without much fear.



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Nature:Naughty
EV: 252 Atk, 120 Sp.Atk, 136 Spe
Draco Meteor
Earthquake
U-Turn
Stone Edge


EFFIN' REPLACEMENT


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Nature:Calm
EV:252 HP, 200 Sp.Atk, 52 Def
Seismec Toss
Psychic
Rest
Light Screen

I had to forgo Reflect for Light Screen, to better stop Shadow Ball & Dark Pulse. A mistake?


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Nature:Calm
EV:244 HP, 58 Def, 60 Sp.Atk, 148 Sp.Def
Leech Seed
Sludge Bomb
Sleep Powder
Aromatherapy

Thanks to a good friend of mine, I now have a Leech Seed Vileplume, to raep Blissey with. Thank God we live in this age.


Well, that's my team in a nut shell. Pick it apart. Do I have a weakness I cannot deal with at all? & I mean a clean sweep, like Yamega was last time.

Dark Azelf August 22nd, 2008 4:40 PM

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SD Luke is hard to wipe out, and can OHKO Dark's Weezig everytime.

When are you leaving pc again ? lol


Well, on Gyarados, you COULD go 216 hp / 16 att / 132 def / 144 speed


With the above you outrun gengar after a dragon dance, if thats somewhat better for you.

sims796 August 22nd, 2008 4:42 PM

F U.

Can it still hit hard after a DD? I herd it doesn't hit as hard with those EV's.

Dark Azelf August 22nd, 2008 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3869918)
F U.

Can it still hit hard after a DD? I herd it doesn't hit as hard with those EV's.


U HERD RITE.

Well, i suppose you could always use LO DD Dos, but as you said you need the defense vs Hera, lucario and what not.

And its backing up lucario as your main sweeper anyways, i dont really see a need for Gyara to become LO tbh.



STOP USING >9000 GRASS TYPES NUB

. August 22nd, 2008 4:48 PM

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w199/shaketistevie/zapdos.gif
^^ Does not like you

It can do a pretty big dent in your team, not saying it'll 6-0 you, but you have no real defense to it. Scarfer or Stalker sets will be REALLY annoying. It can U-Turn on Grumpig, HP Ice Vileplume and Leafeon, Tbolt Gyarados, Tbolt Lucario (though it won't OHKO, Lucario doesn't do much back unless it has an SD or two) Raichu is just ._.

Not saying it'll 6-0 Zapdos sweep, but you have no real way of completely stopping it. Prediction will be your best friend, and that'll be hard to do with 5 other guys that can switch in and out.

And yes, Bulky Gyara hits like a weak slab of beef, compared to LO Gyara's huge leg of lamb.

sims796 August 22nd, 2008 4:58 PM

Well, I'm not tryig to hit hard with it, as I have Luke as my main sweeper, as D_A said. But I herd it was weak, which confused me. Always seemed to hit hard with me, I guess.

But don't underestimate Raichu, who can switch in to Thunderbolt (with gya's help), & beat it down with HP ICE. I've yet to fight Scarfer set, in which I'll have to outpredict as if my life depends on it, but I've faced plenty of Talkers, and they've never caused me much grief. Plus, with Leech Seed (& Light Screen), I should outstall them.

But I see what you mean, he is a problem, so I'll be on high guard. As long as it's not a 6-0 like Yanmega (or Celebii) was, I'll be good.

Also, GRASS TIEPS R EPIC EFFIN WIN

. August 22nd, 2008 5:04 PM

If it's a Calm Zapdos, Raichu will be doing 2 to Zapdos. ._. The thing handles GENGAR well.

Scarfers actually hit really hard, don't forget that thing thing has Base 125 SpA. So, technically, it can do A LOT of sweeping.

Again, it won't "6-0" you, but be careful, because it WILL wear down this team very quickly. It's just a beast.

Also, BulkyGyara does lol. After 4 DD's, my Bulky Gyara did around 80% or something to Tangrowth (standard) The LO Gyara does around 40% with 1 DD, mabye more.

sims796 August 22nd, 2008 5:09 PM

Well, I'm not trying to sweep with it, but as a defensive poke, I'd like it to hit hard, & it hits hard enough for a defensive poke.

? I don't get the first sentence much, though Raichu's HP ICE is a clean 3HKO, & vice versa, if I switch it on a locked Thunderbolt. so yeah, be careful indeed.

EDIT:Oops, wrong calcs. I corrected it, and Chu does nearly 50% with HP ICE to a scarfZappy (I won't look up Resttalk), Zappy does about 48% max with T-bolt if I switch rite.

That means you were right. I have the tools, but it will be very hard to beat Zappy.

. August 22nd, 2008 5:12 PM

I know, but it can switch out. I don't know if that makes you feel "safe" (I know I wouldn't)

If you want to be extra, extra safe, you could bring Leafeon in, Protect, see what move it's using, and then switch in a counter that will set up.

sims796 August 22nd, 2008 5:27 PM

I was thinking that too. At the least, I can try & predict U-Turns, & have a Light Screen up at all times.

To be honest, I forgot all about Zappy, so thanks for that. Any others?

. August 22nd, 2008 5:39 PM

Not much really. You have thick defenses, and good offense. Tyranitar can be "sort" of annoying, but not as pestering as Zapdos. If it's CB, it's going to dent everything except Leafon (who won't like CBCrunch or CBStone Edge. Watch out for those random ass Ice Beams too)

sims796 August 22nd, 2008 5:45 PM

I've also noticed a massive dunsparce weak, but their's nothing that can be done about that.

I'll see if I can work out a Stealth Rocker on my team one way or another, but I won't spend my life on it. If I do decide to get it, it'll cut back on my Zappy weak.

. August 22nd, 2008 5:51 PM

Swampert can work as both a Zapdos counter and SRer, and a Tyranitar *counter* (It'll get 2HKO'd by CBTar's Crunch, or LO Tar for that matter) Still, there's others that can work, like Camerupt, Meganium (even with HP Ice), Whiscash, etc...

. August 22nd, 2008 6:23 PM

Having UU's on a team means absolutely nothing. UU's can fare well in OU. For example, Leafeon can take Rhyperior, Tyranitar, Swampert, etc... all on by herself with Leaf Blade. They're all major OU's power wise.

And Lucario does not need Defense EV's. He's a quick, hit-and-run sweeper, not a tank.

sims796 August 22nd, 2008 6:42 PM

The worst rate I've had in months, Vance, you were too kind.Read the rules, Halio, don't rate without knowledge. Seriously, I get them oneach & every one of my threads. Vance hit Luke & UUs, so I'll addon

1.You do not need Substitute for Focus Punch. That is for predicted switch-ins, and is meant to take out the ever popular Blissey. Whoever told you that FP must be used with Substitute is a liar.

2.Psychic is a good move on Psychic types. Especially Grumpig, who needs it to fight with Gengar. Who cares about Spiritomb.

3.I HAVE THE STANDARD TAUNTDOS SPREAD. I WANT A SLIGHTLY MORE OFFENSIVE ONE. LEARN 2 REED.

4.As Vance said, UU's are alowed in OU, but ot the other way around. Wow. Learn to pogeymanz.

5."idk about vileplume's ev spread, and aromatherapy looks like it can be changed. also, you don't have any recovery in there."

Umm....Leech Seed? Or what, should I use Synthesis or Moonlight? & My team has no way of dealing with status other than Plume. Unlike Bliss, he can put a poke to sleep, then act as a cleric.

6."luke's remaining evs should be for defense."

What, his remaining SIX EVs? Who gives a crap? Sometimes, while EV training (wi fi, for all raters, not shoddy), I forget to give those last 6 EVs. OH WELL. He's a point less in Defence, I can no longer survive Earthquake from Chomp.

7.Seriously, learn the ins & out before you rate. Thanks for trying, but don't try to use me & my thread to build yourself up, cause it always backfires.

. August 22nd, 2008 7:10 PM

Foolish sims, those 6 EVs make CBChomp's EQ change from 30000% to 29999% lolz

sims is right, Focus Punch is going to hurt Blissey (though not an OHKO) Seriously, if there's a special sweeper, you're going to go to Blissey (or E-vire, who is just lol) who is going to get waxed like a car.

Also, Vileplume doesn't need instant recovery, Plume is a team player, passing on full heals with Aromatherapy AND Leech Seed. That combo can make a Poke with less than Half and poisoned become perfectly usable again.

And UUs are in a tier because they're considered not as poweful overall, as OUs, but there are MANY UUs that can decimate OU's. For example, Scyther can easily take on Heracross, one of the most menacing threats. Hitmontop rips apart Tyranitar, a beastly offensive/defensive Pokemon who can 6-0 teams when given a single set up. Hell, Meganium can OUT STALL BLISSEY.

Please don't rate without proper knowledge, because most of what you said was just silly ;)

Skip Shot August 22nd, 2008 8:56 PM

At least I don;t have the worst rating on pc anymore. *Gets nuked*

Back to the subject. I agree with Vance on Swampert being a good Zappy counter and SRer. The only thing u gotta watch out for with Pert is those few Zappy's who havent learned to get past the HP Grass stage. If u want something effective aganst both CB Tar( who as Vance says behaves like my lil sis to ur team) and Zappy, you could bring in Zong and make it sort of a special tank. If it is a scarfed Zappy, Zong can come in and cave in Zapdos' liscense plate with Gyro Ball. Also the main thing about Zong that is different from other Tar/Zappy counters is that it resists most of Tyranitars moves, is immune to toxic, which Zappy sometimes has, and can engshplode when in danger. BEFORE Sims comes in and says "Wat about Steelix enghsploding?", Steelix can't takemuch after getting EQ'ed fby Tar, which ur also trying to take care of here.

. August 22nd, 2008 9:13 PM

Um...CBTar 2HKO's Bronzong with Crunch. Bronzong does ass to CBTar, Gyro Ball and EQ won't ever OHKO min HP TTar, but all CBTar's run Max HP (or at least 216)

sims796 August 23rd, 2008 6:00 AM

Why would I say anything about Steelix? Where did he come from?

Anywho, T-tar doesn't worry me. Leafeon handles it, and Protect allows me to scout out an Ice Beam.

Ársa August 23rd, 2008 6:17 AM

Well, you wanted a more physical yet equally bulky Gyarados set. This set was originally in almost every team I made in June, and still is in half of them.

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Impish
252 HP, 8 Atk, 144 Def, 104 Spd

Rest
Sleep Talk
Dragon Dance/Ice Fang/Earthquake
Waterfall

Outspeeds neutral Tyranitar before DD and Jolly Garchomp after DD. Ice Fang handles Garchomp, whom you can switch in on an EQ and KO. Earthquake just provides coverage with Waterfall.

Pokemaster1993 August 23rd, 2008 6:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3870194)
The worst rate I've had in months, Vance, you were too kind.Read the rules, Halio, don't rate without knowledge. Seriously, I get them oneach & every one of my threads. Vance hit Luke & UUs, so I'll addon

1.You do not need Substitute for Focus Punch. That is for predicted switch-ins, and is meant to take out the ever popular Blissey. Whoever told you that FP must be used with Substitute is a liar.

2.Psychic is a good move on Psychic types. Especially Grumpig, who needs it to fight with Gengar. Who cares about Spiritomb.

3.I HAVE THE STANDARD TAUNTDOS SPREAD. I WANT A SLIGHTLY MORE OFFENSIVE ONE. LEARN 2 REED.

4.As Vance said, UU's are alowed in OU, but ot the other way around. Wow. Learn to pogeymanz.

5."idk about vileplume's ev spread, and aromatherapy looks like it can be changed. also, you don't have any recovery in there."

Umm....Leech Seed? Or what, should I use Synthesis or Moonlight? & My team has no way of dealing with status other than Plume. Unlike Bliss, he can put a poke to sleep, then act as a cleric.

6."luke's remaining evs should be for defense."

What, his remaining SIX EVs? Who gives a crap? Sometimes, while EV training (wi fi, for all raters, not shoddy), I forget to give those last 6 EVs. OH WELL. He's a point less in Defence, I can no longer survive Earthquake from Chomp.

7.Seriously, learn the ins & out before you rate. Thanks for trying, but don't try to use me & my thread to build yourself up, cause it always backfires.


lol, I have knowledge. I've been learning since jan 07. you don't, you think psychic is a good move. <_< and my name isn't halio, it's haileo. LERN2REED!

2.Psychic is a good move on Psychic types. Especially Grumpig, who needs it to fight with Gengar. Who cares about Spiritomb.

I rofl'd at the first line.

1.You do not need Substitute for Focus Punch. That is for predicted switch-ins, and is meant to take out the ever popular Blissey. Whoever told you that FP must be used with Substitute is a liar.

I rofl'd again, you just watch when you use FP and the opponent attacks you and you won't attack. <_<

7.Seriously, learn the ins & out before you rate. Thanks for trying, but don't try to use me & my thread to build yourself up, cause it always backfires.

lol, I'm not doing that, I'm just rating your team. you're the one who's trying to build yourself up.

3.I HAVE THE STANDARD TAUNTDOS SPREAD. I WANT A SLIGHTLY MORE OFFENSIVE ONE. LEARN 2 REED.

<_< if you have the standard tauntdos spread, then why ask for a different ev spread?

Umm....Leech Seed? Or what, should I use Synthesis or Moonlight? & My team has no way of dealing with status other than Plume. Unlike Bliss, he can put a poke to sleep, then act as a cleric.

ya, use moonlight since it's the only recovery move that'll be on your team. >_>

What, his remaining SIX EVs? Who gives a crap? Sometimes, while EV training (wi fi, for all raters, not shoddy), I forget to give those last 6 EVs. OH WELL. He's a point less in Defence, I can no longer survive Earthquake from Chomp.


you know, 1 stat point really makes a difference.

sims796 August 23rd, 2008 7:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Haileo (Post 3871306)
lol, I have knowledge. I've been learning since jan 07. you don't, you think psychic is a good move. <_<
& you didn't learn a thing.
2.Psychic is a good move on Psychic types. Especially Grumpig, who needs it to fight with Gengar. Who cares about Spiritomb.

I rofl'd at the first line.
That is why you fail. If you can't understand WHY it is one him, you need to learn more.It handles Ghost not named Spiritomb, and allows me to beat MixApe.
1.You do not need Substitute for Focus Punch. That is for predicted switch-ins, and is meant to take out the ever popular Blissey. Whoever told you that FP must be used with Substitute is a liar.

I rofl'd again, you just watch when you use FP and the opponent attacks you and you won't attack. <_<
THAT IS WHY I USE IT ON THE SWITCH, IDIOT. WHY THE HELL WOULD I USE IT STRAIGHT UP? Seriously, you haven't a clue.
7.Seriously, learn the ins & out before you rate. Thanks for trying, but don't try to use me & my thread to build yourself up, cause it always backfires.

lol, I'm not doing that, I'm just rating your team. you're the one who's trying to build yourself up.
And pitiful rates like yours doesn't help at all.
3.I HAVE THE STANDARD TAUNTDOS SPREAD. I WANT A SLIGHTLY MORE OFFENSIVE ONE. LEARN 2 REED.

<_< if you have the standard tauntdos spread, then why ask for a different ev spread?
THAT IS WHAT I DID. READ.
Umm....Leech Seed? Or what, should I use Synthesis or Moonlight? & My team has no way of dealing with status other than Plume. Unlike Bliss, he can put a poke to sleep, then act as a cleric.

ya, use moonlight since it's the only recovery move that'll be on your team. >_>

Rest. Wish. Are you freakin' blind?Moonlight gets ruined by the sand.
What, his remaining SIX EVs? Who gives a crap? Sometimes, while EV training (wi fi, for all raters, not shoddy), I forget to give those last 6 EVs. OH WELL. He's a point less in Defence, I can no longer survive Earthquake from Chomp.


you know, 1 stat point really makes a difference.
Just shut up.

If you rate one more time on this thread, I'll report you for bothh spamming & rating without knowledge.

Ársa August 23rd, 2008 7:09 AM

^^

You deleted the post previous it seems...

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I rofl'd at the first line.

I rofl'd at the fact you don't think a STAB Psychic has merrit. As sims said, this gives Grumpig a chance to counter what it's meant to. Grumpig isn't meant to counter Spiritomb, but it is meant to counter Gengar, and with Psychic it can. tbh though, I like Psychic better on the Calm Mind set. Light Screen may seem appealing sims, but CM does a similar job, albeit without the team support.

sims is right, Focus Punch isn't exlusive to Subpunching. FP is for Blissey and Snorlax switchins, who otherwise wall the outright Special Sweeper sets.

He asked for a different spread because although he does have the standard, it's not exactly what he's after. He's allowed to stray from the standard, it isn't a cardinal sin...

Moonlight is horrible anywhere but on a Sunny Day team. Sandstorm teams are prevailent, and recovering a meager 25% isn't that crash hot. Leech Seed can help cause switches, giving sims the chance to use Aromatherapy should the need arise, or Sleep the incoming counter.

sims796 August 23rd, 2008 7:12 AM

Nothing better than recoverig 80+ HP because of a seeded Blissey.

Anyway, I tried CM Pig, but sweepers that forced me to switch made me hate it. Also, crits always hurt me on every match.

Ársa August 23rd, 2008 7:26 AM

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Also, crits always hurt me on every match.
Then you are obviously hax weak. I suggest you improve it... >:<


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