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As far as I view it, we're screwed for the next four years. If McCain is elected, nothing will change because he's a Republican. If Obama is elected, nothing will change because he is incapable. (In his own words: "I got elected to the US Senate. I haven't done anything yet."
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just to be pulled by a george w. bush and screw things up more than they were before the bill clinton pull |
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My Patriot in my name is for the new england patriots. |
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And it's nice that you posted that entire story, but you miss the point. When faced with the decision this year between Obama and McCain, the conservative base might not be happy with some of McCain's policies, but that's not even close to enough reason for them to swing to the other side and vote for Obama, who cannot relate to them on any issue. Basically, you take McCain and some of his liberal policies, or take Obama and all of his liberal policies. Conservatives will choose the former, not the latter. |
I don't see how anyone can say that Obama is centrist. He only has the most liberal voting record in all of congress...
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How should we deal with Immigration?
Legal immigration is fine. In fact, it probably even needs a bit of streamlining. Illegal immigration is the problem. Illegal immigrants screw over everyone: the legal immigrants they are taking opportunities from and making a bad name for, the economy they are taking money from, and the people they are taking jobs from. As far as I'm concerned, they're stealing their place in society. We might as well confiscate the money from them and their employers that is necessary to deport them. That's basically what we do with any thief: they have to return what they stole and face a penalty. |
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Would you want to come to America if you are in another country where you are being oppressed, are poor, and your family is dying because you cannot provide? People come to America illegally at times because it truly is the "land of opportunity". I believe it is fine for someone who wants to feed their children to come here and get a job. It is wrong to come here illegally but some people do it out of fear and sometimes it is the best thing to do. They should get legalized when they can but besides that they can not do much else. |
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It's actually quite simple: The left doesn't want you to know exactly how left Obama is (note: VERY left), so they try to paint him as a centrist so people don't realize how radical his ideas are. If people knew exactly what his policies are and what he stood for, he would never be elected, so they media is forced to try to pass him off as a moderate Democrat. Really guys, you should try to see through this kind of stuff. |
Man...this thread is fun! XD
I love debating politics. Although it sucks when I lose. XD Anyways, I like Obama. I like Obama's ideas. His experience does not bother me. He ideas are amazing and fresh. :) |
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Imagine if all 20 million illegals went to Mexico and rebelled against their own government (yes, I know they're not all Mexicans and blah blah). It'd be better than letting them have protests against the one raid a year we have. And I'd totally support American aid to Mexico if their current government were overthrown. At the moment, it's about as dangerous to be in Mexico as it is ins Iraq. =\ For the dude who loves news articles. Quote:
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Yeah, you have a point, and y'know, 55% of crimes in the US are committed by African-Americans, so I think we should dump all the black people in the US on an island and let them just fight it out, y'know?
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Don't you get it? Illegal immigrants aren't even supposed to be here. So when 95% of the murders in LA are committed by them, my tolerance level goes straight to zero. It means they've broken the law twice: once in coming here illegally, and again for the murder. That's not racism. That's indignation at people who break the law multiple times without repercussions, and at the people who turned a blind eye when they did it the first time. You had best learn the difference.
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I kind of agree with txteclipse, three of my cousins were murdered by an illegal immigrant. The guy wasn't deported because San Francisco is a sanctuary, and then he went and murdered people. You never realize how big an issue is until it hits close to home :/
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Then why can't you just deal with the individuals rather than the entire group?
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I'm Sorry all of you believe revisionist lies. I thought this community was fair and balanced but yet you believe bolshevik lies.
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Individuals that come here illegally to seek a better life should be allowed to stay and eventually they should learn the language and they should also not kill people.
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Anyways I'll put the Immigration issue in the back burner because of this: Federal Government takes over Fannie Mae and Fredie Mac: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26591359/ Temporary Consensus for Immigration: Legal Immigration is Great. Illegal Immigration should be debated by Congress on what we should do. Thoughts? Now I'm not being pessimistic but Americans did bite off more than we could chew...and See where that has gotten us MORE Taxpayer intervention. |
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Will the Soviet Union take over the Georgia (Europe) or will they destroy it?
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About immigration, kicking all of them just because it's not the best option. If they come to the US (and to most of the developed countries) it's because they have no money to live. Kicking them won't solve anything, because, once they go back to their countries, they will still be in the same need as before, and they will probably try to come back. The only way to finish it is helping the poor countries.
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Anyways the Government is now essentially the Largest mortgage broker in the world...So now to be frank this mess is everybody's fault, Wall Street, The Government Regulators, The Middlemen (Mortgage Companies and Banks) even the General public for "biting more than we could chew" (Yes even my family's material "stuff" such as cars, credit cards, etc. are funded through loans and debt.) By living a little bit more extravagant than normal the debt of most Americans piled up that the "bubble" burst...Eh...I just hope MOSTLY EVERYONE learns their lesson and live a little bit more frugal. Quote:
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I personally don't think we should be meddling in the affairs of other countries, at least not right now. As for imaggration, it causes over-population and many vast problems for our citzens. Illegal immigrants take jobs from our legal citizens, which firther causes us economical problems. We must deport them, even if that means sending them to starvation and pverty. It's cruel but there is no way to appease all people. Our government has a duty to our citizens first and foremost. Edit: I just like to clarify. I think immigration is fine, but I don't think illegal immigration is okay. |
Heh, I don't know how I missed this thread so long.
Well, I don't have time for a full length discussion on everything right now, but I do have a quick note. On politics: I am a McCain supporter, and I won't go into it further than that I believe McCain is the best choice for our Country. I'm not interested in debating how, why, my intelligence, or so forth. On immigration: I agree that they should have a chance, but with that ability of being here, they should have the responsability of becoming citizens, learning our language, paying taxes, and working like every other American does. On energy and the enviornemnt: I am a very strong believer in clean energy, and believe that we must act towards improving it. I do not, however, believe that we can change everything overnight. We need to start working on clean energy, but we must use fossil fuels so modern civilization doesn't come crashing down with no energy if someone were to just outlaw it, like how some people in the media do. However, I am also not a believer in Global Warming. I do believe in Global Climate Change, but not in the way the media portrays it. I believe the media overestimates the effects we can cause overnight with fossil fuel emissions. (ie The Day After Tomorrow) I feel that in the end, we don't really have a massive effect on the Global Environment on a long term scale, as the natural cycles are always at work. Overall: Regardless of who is elected, or who's policy is what, no one can change the world overnight. So I believe who is expecting a drastic amount of change when the next president is elected is not thinking realistically. I'll explain anything later in greater detail if anyone wants me to, ~Mooshykris |
Federal Government take over Fannie Mae and Fredie Mac
Buy lots of gold. Now. There has been government intervention in the economy before. In fact, it happens all the time. As long as the company accepts the help, then I don't see why the heck not the government shouldn't jump in. |
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Sorry for going off on a tangent, but this website seems dependable. I linked to a page that explains quickly and simply why you should have gold. |
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Anyways since were in the issue of the Mortgage mess...Top issue for most Americans right now... What do you think about the US economy? Any suggestions on how we should deal with this? Since by "buying out" the GOE's Fannie May & Freddie Mac this administration has essentially dumped the problem to the next Administration and session of Congress... |
I am going to try and help define what a gold standard is. In the past the money in circulation was backed by gold. That meant if you wanted to you could exchange x amount of dollars to the equivalent amount of gold. Today however the currency is fiat. That means it has value because the government says it has value.
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I know that...(I don't know why but I love History) and when we switched from the Gold Standard and instituted a "Floating Currency" which you could say epitomizes Capitalism since it only works if the People believe that the Paper Money is worth something...since Our current currency is just a form of a "promise". I think he was just talking about this individually as a form of savings...Not recommending that the Fed Government move back to the Gold Standard. Anyways I was listening to "Talk of the Nation" on NPR (I know I should be doing my HW or watching "Bleach" or something....) (Check out: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/) And they were talking about how the Federal Take-over of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac Does not mean that the Federal government gets $5 trillion more debt since it's backed by "loans" aka your house,cars, etc. or Mortgages. And that the Governments Debt aka Treasury bonds (Currently about $10 Trillion...Our GDP is about $13 Trillion) is just a promise by the government that they'll pay it back (an IOU) and it's not backed by anything (Such as Gold in Fort Knox)... Wow this thread has slowed down...Is the economy THAT boring... |
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Barack Obama is the most liberal senator and thus he would have the worst economic policy.
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Meh, what I think would most benefit the economy (ending this oversea sweatshop BS) isn't supported by anyone. *Sigh*
WE NEED MORE FRIGGIN' JOBS!!! D:< |
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I'd also like to respectfully point out that Bill Clinton was a liberal, and his reversal of supply side economics--which was put in place by George Bush Sr.--turned a massive debt into a massive surplus over his years in office. |
I honestly think McCain (well not just think, but know considering anyone can Google his views on major issues) is a much more Moderate choice for America than most people think. Everyone I know who is going to vote for Obama (the vast majority of them anyway) go straight to "McCain is Bush. We'd be doomed for another 4 years. No way." Ummm...sorry, but McCain is not a second Bush. That isn't going to happen. John McCain tackles many issues in different ways than did Bush and on top of it all, he's openly disagreed with a lot of things the Bush administration did over the course of the past eight years. I was too little to fully get politics back in Gore/Bush and even in Kerry/Bush I wasn't crazily informed. Now that I'm older and I know how to research a bit more, I'm definitely choosing McCain over Obama for a good number of reasons.
I mean of course our nation needs change, everyone can see that. Change is good sometimes, but taking America by the ankles and shaking it for it's lunch money is probably not such a good idea. We don't want to turn what we know upside down and backwards, we want to ease into change. Hence the slow Iraq withdrawl. You simply cannot up and run from a nation you've invaded. There was a quote from someone asking George Bush Sr. about an island near Australia that I might try to find relating to this topic. We can't just pack up and jet out of Iraq and let the place fall apart. That would be giving up on our world, giving up on the people in that nation. A lot of them don't want us there, but those extremists don't know what else to say. They've had what they think of as an "orderly" lifestyle and they don't understand how to react to the situation, so they rebel. If we were to leave, it'd be the same as turning our backs on Darfur. |
either way the next 4-8 years WILL be better than these last 8 FOR SURE
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Also, don't forget about McCain's disastrous pick of a VP. What if he dies? Would you suggest that Palin would be a qualified president? I just don't think our country can afford to take that kind of gamble. |
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And high taxes isn't necessarily a good thing. Raising corporate taxes and income taxes of wealthy families to obscene levels like 50% or more is not what we need right now. What do you think those people do with their profits? Let it sit in a bank account and collect dust? They invest it, create new jobs, give to charity, buy property, buy new cars...these are all things that drive the economy. Take away corporate and upper class purchasing power, and you're going to ruin the country even more. We should create government programs that actually work: that help the lower class get themselves out of poverty. This does not mean hand-outs or tax breaks. It means giving them the means to help themselves instead of just throwing money at them, which does diddly-squat. I also think that lower class families should receive cheaper healthcare if they cannot afford it themselves. Really, if everyone just took some personal responsibility instead of sitting on their lazy butts and letting the government take care of them (not everyone, just some people), we wouldn't be in this much of a jam. |
I like Barack Obama. I'd definitely vote for him if I had to make a choice.
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I understand you have to sort of 'play the game' so to speak in order to be a politician, but he's reversed his policies on just too many issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc) just so as to fit with his party. In speeches he refers to borders that don't even exist, his 'energy plan' consists of not spending any money on renewable energy, he opposes Iraq timetables (which even the Bush administration is entertaining the idea of as of recently), and then there's his VP choice, Sarah Palin, who is absolutely indefensible as a VP choice. I do not, for the life of me, understand what McCain has that makes him trustworthy that Obama does not. Quote:
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And THIS is something I really despise about the Democrat argument, that somehow every poor person in this country somehow got the short straw in the draw of life and it's not their fault their below the poverty line. Bull. This is America, and if you put your mind to it, you can be happy, make money, and live comfortably. Go to community college. Take out a student loan. Really, it's not that difficult. But they decide to slack off in high school, don't go to college, get a low paying job, and COMPLAIN about being poor. Before you go jumping down my throat, I'm not saying that there are poor people in this country that are poor for no good reasons. Of course people have legitimate problems that are causing money problems, but don't tell me that a good number of those people didn't do everything they could to get themselves above the poverty line. It's just not true. We are a lazy nation with lazy people who don't want to work, and lucky for them, our government supports them by throwing money at them. At least Republicans take a positive stance on the issue. People make it sounds like Republicans are evil and hate poor people and don't want to help. Democrats just yell boo and criticize us for not understanding what people are going through. Republicans want to help people help themselves. Democrats just want to help people by throwing money at them. You tell me which is going to be more worthwhile? |
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Don't really feel like debating this anymore, let's agree to disagree...at least for now on this particular subject. |
Hmm decisions decisions.....
ill think when i haveth the time now... |
See how....
Much one can miss if you don't go to PC for the weekend...Anyways as you can see last week the candidates have started using campaign smears (aka "stretching the truth") for political advantage...(Eh should be normal by now)...
Anyways I missed commenting on lipstick-on-a-pig-gate from last week... http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/08/26/tomo/story.jpg I know AuraSphere is just going to say "Liberal Media" But how could you still say it's liberal media when all they comment on is "the stupid campaign distraction"....I've lost trust in the traditional media and have moved on to NPR, PBS, (At least these two are partially publicly funded and eh less "ads") BBC, The Internet (Yeah..yeah..."Liberal Media" AuraSphere...) I know I'm showing a comic from a "liberal" blog but he does show funny portrayals of current events that must be shared... Since I'm on the topic of journalistic quality I was listening to PBS's Bill Moyer's Journal and they were talking about the quality of news we are getting today with the so called "Blogosphere" and the Internet added to the mix...this should be common sense but I feel I should reiterate that always remember to FACT CHECK everything you see (aka News) if you have the time...from this thread(The Internet) to traditional media...Heh it's paradoxical but the Internet is a good place to start =P They're also right...If we want a relatively non-partisan interview on the issues for this campaign we should have BBC come over and Intervew ALL the candidates (Both Presidential/VP) not just the ones from the major parties because they will interupt if they see hot air...but eh just something to think about... |
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The comic is just alright for me =P |
It's hard to believe half the things I hear on TV anymore.
I always go for republicans, which, I know, isn't the most logical approach. It's just something I do. So obviously, my choice is for MC Cain :) Republicans FTW :D |
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WOOO McCain Palin 08!!! |
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fa sho, I'm very conservative. I hate how everything on TV is usually liberal :( It depresses my political feelings lol. |
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same here! lol i like fox news :) Oreily FTW! and Hannity :P |
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Everyone hates O'reily, but that's only because he makes liberals so mad =P |
I love watching that! They get so pissed it makes me laugh XD
did you know that he's like... 73? i guess he gets a lot of botox. |
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But yeah he's so awesome. |
Oh, lol. He said he was 73, but now that I recall, he did sound a bit sarcastic lol
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I was gonna say, he didn't look that old =P |
lol, wikipedia is like, against the rules for references XD (not here, other places)
But yeah, I think we should cease this conversation, it has nothing to do with the '08 elections lol XD |
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But anyways more depressing economic news: Global Market Turmoils continue: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7617976.stm (The Lehman Bros. collapsing and Merryl-Lynch merger is old news =P) AIG Teeters as Markets face more trouble: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94660752 How can I help but be pessimistic right now...I know your going to oppose what I'm going to say but you have to realize that as the Economy falters people need Social Services even more...But at the same time we're cutting Social Services for our grandiose buyouts of Wall St. http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/07/29/tomo/ Eh..At least the Federal government has draw the line on the Lehman.Bros and actually started to discipline Wall St...Also Global Diversification has cushioned the blow... Also I watched the PBS special "American education in the 21st Century" and is NCLB really not working? I mean they did also point out hat we don't have a National Standard and have unequal distribution of funding...But accountability has to count for something... |
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Are we going to Bail out everyone??? We already have a large budget deficit!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26787984?GT1=43001 Thoughts? |
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So what do the McCain supporters here think of Palin? I think she's an insultingly poor VP choice, even for the Republicans, but it doesn't seem to bother them too much. Is it just begrudging acceptance?
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I think McCain picked her as his VP as a pathetic attempt to win over "fence sitting" Hilary supporters. |
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And why do Democrats get so mad about Palin being picked to win over Hillary voters? Do people actually think that women swing voters are going to say "Well, I'm a Democrat, and even though I disagree with every one of Palin's beliefs, I'll still vote for her because she's a woman"? No, Sarah Palin was picked for her strong conservative policies. Yes, she's a woman, but with McCain being the "Maverick" that he is, they needed a true republican on the ticket to win back moderates that might have been leaning the other way. Really, that argument is quite silly when you think about it. Everyone knows she won't win that many Hillary voters. And if that's the case, why complain about it? It's a win for the Democrats, right? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if Democrats think that choosing Palin was a horrible move for Republicans, why must they keep bashing away at her as though she was some type of political criminal? Because they see her as a threat. Someone who will actually help the Republicans in November. That's the reason for these ruthless attacks on her and her family. It's fine if you don't like her, but really, don't mistake her for someone who was chosen to win Hillary voters. That's obviously not the case. And don't pretend like she's a horrible VP choice...because she is absolutely not. |
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Also, I wouldn't consider McCain a 'maverick' after he's reversed practically every one of his somewhat-less-than-conservative political positions to the point of becoming a hollow puppet-man for the Republican party. |
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And I'm sorry if you think liberal smear sites are "reliable" sources of information, but I happen to prefer getting my news from somewhere that isn't totally biased and actually has cited sources... |
I'm not saying that Palin isn't experienced and Obama is (even though I personally believe that to be the case), I'm saying that it's hypocritical of McCain to criticize Obama's lack of experience when he himself chose a VP with even less experience.
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That is also my opinion on Sudden withrawal...and you do have to remember All candidates (considering third parties) Are/will be politicians so they will flip-flop on the issues once they hold on to power. (I'm so pessimistic D=) |
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And have people heard of living until ninety years old these days? Or heck, even eighty-three? It's happening more and more now that we've got these crazy new things called..well, hospitals. McCain might be old, but he isn't going to die the VERY SECOND he gets into office. This idea is the only thing that really bugs me when people say that. I've got a lot of respect for what both parties are trying to accomplish, but when you say "Well I'm not voting for him because he's old!" that's just stupid..not saying that anyone here has presented that argument, but when it keeps coming up as "and if McCain dies" O_o...don't worry about who's going to become President if he dies. We can deal with that if such a crazy thing were ever to happen. I mean he's seventy something and still bopping around the world with an upbeat personality, he certainly isn't being pushed in a wheel chair connected to life support. I'm sure he could crank out four more years for us lovely Americans if elected into office. Sure he's old, we get it. Stop bringing it up and look at these people as people instead of considering one the equivalent to a dried up tomato every time someone makes an argument in favor of him. |
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I do agree that McCain will live on...but there is still that chance...(at the same time there is also the chance of Obama being assassinated.) But yes let's not make that an issue (just another stupid campaign distraction at least we are no longer paying attention to that lipstick-gate)...and actually talk about the real issues such as the economy, education, health-care, and foreign policy. I think this financial economic meltdown refocuses the general public's attention to the real issues...Which is a good thing...It might even encourage more people to be part of the political process or vote. Also I know, many would disagree though, that Bush 2008 isn't Bush 2001-2004 (I'm not defending his massive blunders it's just too massive and obvious, they are blunders. His administration still deserves the blame.) He has taken a more "normal" political approach such as diplomacy unlike his former doctrine of full-on conservatism. So the next administration should check out what Bush '09 does instead of reversing everything. |
Sorry about that tommy, I only partially hinted about the soldiers-care, but the main reason was just the subject matter, I just don't like it when people let things slip on that note since I'm an army brat. No worries! I totally feel the same way about the election and the future of our nation, there's just too many things to get depressed about that we need to make sure we stay positive! ^_^
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Anyways as a topic for debate since the economy isn't our strong suit: How should we address the education crisis? I know some of you guys touched on this earlier. I mean seriously my HS has a 50% Drop-out rate =O Please try to convince me since I really just think that students aren't motivated enough. We already tried accountability through No Child Left Behind (Congress should just make a law called "NO ONE LEFT BEHIND") and it had mixed results at best. Also on the issue of the economy...If you are well versed on that topic or have a opinion on the candidates position...don't be discouraged...help us understand. I was listening to PBS earlier and this quote really "stuck" on my head: "Remember when people said earlier that they could see the light at the end of the tunnel? That was just the headlights of the train that we were going to hit." Also what do you people think of one-issue voters (Of course they exist...) you might consider them swing voters who could turn this election around (I know they're a small group but remember how "weird" the Electoral College System is set up...that could change everything (:_: ) |
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As for education...hm. Yeah i think our HS drop out rate was pretty bad, which really surprised me. We definitely need some nation-wide gimmicks to get more motivation in the classroom especially the second kids hit high school in 8th-10th grade (depending on where you live.) Honestly, I think I could have been a 5 class AP student my senior year had it not been for laziness, boredom, and all around uninteresting teaching methods during my middle school/9-10th grades. |
I'm definitely all for more spending on education. I was personally very displeased with the quality of our teachers...I could have taught better than some of them -_-
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/18/bizarre-mccain-remarks-ap_n_127346.html
So it seems that Mr. Foreign Policy doesn't know where is Spain, doesn't know who is the Spanish Prime Minister, or thinks that Spain, a NATO member and an US ally, may be potentially dangerous in the fight for global democracy. Kudos for McCain. |
This is kind of off topic, but do you live in Spain, Went? :P What's the government like there?
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I would like to address the concerns about Governor Palin. When she was nominated for Vice-President, she already had more experience then Senator Obama. She ran a small town and a small business. She is currently running a state and while running that state took on corruption in her own party. While she lacks foreign policy experience, she is not going to be conducting foreign policy. It is highly unlikely that if Senator McCain was elected President, he is going to die in the first thirty days office. So if McCain dies in office, Palin will be ready as she has some time for training, unlike to top spot.
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She is absolutely NOT more experienced than Barack Obama. Jesus christ there is more to being a president than being in some kind of two-bit executive position (not to mention she's the governor of ALASKA, which has fewer residents than a good number of major US cities, and is second only to maybe Hawaii in terms of being isolated from the rest of the country). George W. Bush was the governor of TEXAS (the second most populated state in the US!) and he turned out to be, by all accounts, one of the worst presidents we've ever had. Ever. (Seriously, at least the Ohio Gang was prosecuted for their crimes. You'll probably never be able to say that about the dudes we have now)
What the hell is it that makes this lady so goddamn special? Obama was a Harvard Law graduate, a goddamn constitutional law TEACHER at the University of Chicago for twelve years, and then a member of the senate for the last twelve years. His personality when speaking suggests that he is an intelligent, rational man with a very calm and friendly, albeit serious demeanor. Governor Palin, by comparison, comes off as utterly retarded, and displaying no discernable understanding of how our country works. Have you seen the interviews with her? She doesn't know anything except that everything is in god's hands and we should trust god to fix our problems. Have you been paying attention to the press conferences with her? That's right, you HAVEN'T, BECAUSE THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY KNOWS THAT SHE DOESN'T KNOW A GODDAMN THING AND ARE SHELTERING HER FROM THE PUBLIC. There isn't a chance in hell that thirty days of McCain being in the White House is going to make her any more prepared to lead our country if she should need to. Merely being in an executive position does not magically imbue you with years-worth of political knowledge and experience and make you suddenly able to suspend your biases and know how to seperate church and state and all that other noise. The fact that McCain picked her as his VP is the biggest insult to our country in years and both of them should be disqualified from the election and then deported for their sheer selfishness, greed, and stupidity. Note: Text outlined in RED denotes emotional hyperbole and should not be used as an excuse to ignore the rest of this post. Even though it's all true. |
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Get the hell out of your stupid little liberal fantasy world an WAKE UP! Respect other peoples opinions, Don't insult them. I don't hate Obama, I just don't think he's qualified to be president. Being a law professor at UChicago doesn't qualify him AT ALL to be president. And those 12 years of senate duty were not all in the US senate. Do I have to call him utterly retarded? Absolutely not. I even respect him in some ways. He's done some pretty incredible things. You on the other hand, feel the need to treat the other side as though they are young, stupid, reckless, and naive children who don't know anything. Let me tell you something: Sarah Palin has actual MORALS upon which she bases her decisions and policies. Sure, she's religious and traditional. But they are her personal beliefs, which you feel the need to make fun because they are different than yours. What happened to that liberal fairness we're all so fond of? Oh wait, that's right! It's only fair if you believe exactly what they believe! Other wise, you're just a complete idiot! Because, you see, Liberals are the biggest hypocrites in the world. They preach fairness and equality, yet violently attack those with different beliefs (much like you have). They hide under the veil of patriotism and liberty, yet feel the need to DRASTICALLY change what has made America so great and prosperous. You claim to be calm and fair-headed, yet jump down the throats of those that oppose you. (see above quote). What's the matter? Does little bitty Sarah Palin frighten you? Does she threaten your incredibly warped and ridiculous views on how America is the enemy and we must apologize to the world for our great sins against humanity? You claim to care about America and it's future, but the only thing you care about is getting Obama into office and dragging America towards secular-progressivism and total destruction of basic values that our country holds dear. You claim to love your country, but really....do you? I don't expect you to understand what I've just said, because you've already fallen into your liberal fantasy world, and you've passed the point of no return. I've tried to be civil and respectful when debating you in this thread, but when you write stuff like you've just written, I've lost all respect. Calling Sarah Palin utterly retarded? Where's your liberal kindness? Face it dude, you only respect people who think like you. If you actually believe that McCain and Palin should be deported, you really are quite a moron. Last time I checked, selfishness greed and stupidity were not grounds for deportation (Oh wait! That's right! John McCain and Sarah Palin actually like America and what we stand for!) I don't agree with Obama, but I don't call him stupid and retarded like you do to Sarah Palin. That is what sets us apart. Oh and by the way, Obama is just as inexperienced as Palin...deal with it. Don't cry about it. ~Apologies to those I've offended, but it needed to be said.~ |
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Aura, I want you to be straight with me here. Instead of prancing around the issue and victimizing yourself, tell me straight:
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1. It's absolutely not ok, and I'm for reforming the healthcare system so that people aren't left behind. I'm not totally blind to the healthcare problems we have in this country, and I think they can be addressed without the use of socialized medicine. Sorry, I just don't agree with this. You might call those who don't want to pay more taxes to support universal healthcare greedy and selfish, but 1.Is it fair to some one who worked hard, went to college, got a degree and made money have it taken away from them and given to someone who say...didn't go to college, didn't work hard, and now needs the government to support them? (Yeah, yeah, this doesn't apply to everyone. Some people aren't at fault for being in poverty, but then again, some are.) And: 2. Where's that liberal fairness we all love? Like they say "Equality and Fairness, unless you're rich in which case we're taking your money." It works in other countries because other countries accept these socialistic policies, but I do not, and others will agree with me. (Note: Republicans. and that's a fair amount of people) 2. She's a mother. Her judgement here was obviously affected by strong emotions. You're telling me that if you were pro-life and your daughter got pregnant, you wouldn't care about how this would affect your daughters life? On the one hand, you could stick to your guns and say "No abortion", or you could actually give a darn about the welfare of your daughter. Having a child at that age is never good, and what kind of mother would she be if she didn't take that into account? I'm Pro-choice, and if my daughter was pregnant, I'd be conflicted as well. I can over-look this and give her some slack, but obviously will follow this to no end to see her suffer because of this. 3. Oh blah, blah, blah...separation of church and state. How can you truly separate church and state when so many of our laws are linked so closely to religion? How about things like Gay marriage and Abortion? You would truly ask people to put their core beliefs aside and make a decision on this issue without first remembering how they grew up and how they live their life? You might as well ask everyone to not have morals and be atheists. Would that be the fairness that liberals are so fond of? 4. It's not, I don't agree that she has a lot of foreign policy experience. But that really isn't the biggest issue for me. Plus, Newsflash, she's running for vice president, not president. You would have me believe that Obama has legitimate foreign policy experience? Sorry, a few trips to Iraq and one senate term doesn't cut it for me. 5. I'm currently not very educated about the circumstances of what exactly happened when she said that, so you win for now. 6. What kind of question is that? I'll point out again, Palin IS NOT running for president. If the American people didn't think that Bush was qualified, they wouldn't have voted for him...twice. I was 10 years old when the 2000 election took place, and 2004 I wasn't quite as educated as I am now, so surprise, I'm not well versed on Bush's qualifications before he was elected, but I can tell you that one term of presidency sure as heck qualifies you for another, no matter how much you might disagree with his policies. Quote:
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I don't believe everything I see on the news, because I know they are liberally biased and trying to get me to think differently than I do now. Oh wait! Solution! FOX NEWS! The only reason people hate it so much is that it's not liberally biased! They give you the news, and let you decide. Isn't that what news is supposed to be? Try watching it sometime, and maybe the haze of the liberal media will clear and the so called "crises" we have in this country won't look as bad as other news networks make them out to be. Quote:
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[QUOTE=Went;3962201]...a few? I'm sure you haven't fully read the news, the US is going to have the biggest economical depression since 1929. Even George W. Bush is buying SOCIALIST economical solutions to prevent the US economy from sinking in the mud. The problems are darn big, and, as I said before, if the policies you have been following for the last half of century have caused this, wouldn't be good a bit of change, for once.[QUOTE] WHOA. We agree on something! Sure, every now and then the government needs to come in to help out! And yes it's a big problem. But this is not because of our economic policies. Where did you get that? Quote:
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