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I really think that, if she really respected and cared about her daughter's choice, she'd rethink her stance on the issue altogether. WHY is it okay for her daughter to have a choice when she advocates that no one should have a choice. I find it disgusting that she can have this viewpoint when "to abort or not to abort" was obviously a heated issue in her own household. Her daughter had a choice. She may have chosen to keep the baby, yes, but her daughter had the CHOICE. To take that choice from millions, especially in circumstances that they cannot control? That's disgusting. I don't care if she's not the personal mother of all those women--as a mother to someone who had to have struggled with the choice (and her daughter had consentual sex, which to me makes a big difference), she should realize how important it is that everyone should have the right to choose. Quote:
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I'm on my iPod right now, but I'll be sure to get back to all of you. 3 vs. 1 Is totally fair btw =p
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I have to agree with them...you've seen how vehemently I was for Universal Healthcare. Also if we can make things better for our fellow citizens, why shouldn't we. I mean we have more than $800 Billion for Wall St. in corporate welfare why can't we give some of that to the poor...(Yeah I know you'll say "throwing money") =D but eh I don't have time to elaborate yet...Also I'm probably going to rant and babble later on about my Mom voting Republican due to single-issue topics (Abortion & Gay-marrage) >:-( |
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@TheBold: OMFG! Christians are allowed their beliefs and think that me marrying another man is wrong, but how the hell does me getting married affect them? It's not like I'm forcing them to be gay! You're trying to set up a government based around Christian beliefs! You deserve to live your life however you want and follow whatever religion you want, just as I deserve all those same liberties! I'm tired of feeling like a second class citizen! I can't marry, I can't adopt (cuz you know all we queer-o-sexuals do is molest children right?), and I can't even join the army. It is still socially and politically accepted to discriminate against gay people. Quote:
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Allstories: I'll have to apologize for my "obtuseness" that you think I exhibit. There's you go with the name calling again. Paranoid cretin....haven't heard that one before. Forgive me if I'm coming off in a displeasing way. I'm just trying to express my opinions, not about you personally, but liberals in general. And while you continue to argue your points in a way that is characteristic of a liberal, I am forced to call you call you out on it. I'm so tired of arguing this, So you know what? STATEMENT RETRACTED. Liberals are unbiased, patriotic and don't think that the U.S. is a horrible place! HAPPY???
You've made me to goddamn angry about liberals and how they think, I really just could not help myself. The way you think, the way you argue your points....It just bothers me, ok? Feel free to bite right back with how you hate conservatives and such, at least I won't call you anything. I respect your opinion, but you obviously don't respect mine. Fox News is not conservatively biased, and I invite you to prove me wrong. Don't mistake bias for giving both sides of the argument. I am not religious, I'm agnostic. However, I believe that life is sacred and should be protected. That cluster of cells is a human life, sorry you don't see it that way, but I do. And thusly believe that the destruction of those cells is murder. And before you go jumping down my throat, in extreme cases of rape and when there is a danger to the mother's life, I think abortion is acceptable. Lightning: I'm not as conservative as you might think on this issue. Sorry for not pointing this out before, but I am in favor of optional universal healthcare, and those who want/are in need of it should definitely have this option open to them, as long as it doesn't cost any more taxpayer money. I don't know how in the world we would fund it, but if it works, wonderful. The top 1% of the populations pays something like 35% of the U.S. tax burden, and I think that's high enough. I already explained my position about abortion above: In extreme cases, yes abortion is acceptable, but I still don't like it, and that's my personal opinion on the issue. I agree with you on the rape thing as well, it's ridiculous. I am totally against that law. And thank you for being civil, Lightning. You expressed your views in a very calm way (Unlike some people I know...) Went: Sorry about that, I forgot that you live in spain. And yes, some of our current policies have been causing problems and need changing, I agree. We just disagree on which issues and how to correctly deal with them. I also agree with your definition of a patriot, I just happen to disagree on the way people choose to express themselves as such for reasons that should already be clear. I CERTAINLY agree with you on getting both sides of the argument and making your own decisions, but the point is most people in our county do not in fact get both sides of the argument, thus altering theit own decision-making abilities. And again, I invite you to prove to me that Fox News in conservatively biased. Our death penalty system is an absolute joke. You might be convicted of a crime and sentenced to death and wait upwards of 15-20 years before you've exhausted all your appeals. That's not a death penalty. The system is broken, but yes, I'm a supporter of the death penalty. I just think the way we go about enforcing it is horrible. Thanks for the link. Yup, McCain came off as a blubbering idiot. The man isn't perfect, and I never said he was. The U.S. doesn't have anything against Spain, and I'm pretty sure we maintain a policy of friendship with them...McCain could have just came out and said that. -_- Ugh...please let's not get into the banking crisis. (Yes it's a crisis)...I'm not fully versed on this issue as well. Also Went, thank you also for being civil and expressing your points clearly. (Unlike some people I know) Tommy: 4 vs. 1? No problem =P Hopefully I've made my views on healthcare clear. Honestly, when it's 4 minds against one, you all make me sound like an idiot. I guess that's just what I get for being an 18 year old conservative....I'm already vastly out numbered. The vast majority of young people are liberal, and sometimes I find myself thinking that the words that come out of my mouth don't even make sense because of everything I hear from my peers. Just know that there are plenty of other people out there that think like me and will back me up. Unfortunately, PC seems to be out of those people -_- EDIT: 5 VS 1! Thanks Xairmo....the nail in the coffin. Because this thread has debate in the title, I'm forced to comment on it. BUT I DON'T NEED 5 PEOPLE QUOTING EVERY ONE OF MY POSTS SAYING HOW I'M FLAT OUT WRONG. 1 or 2 is fine. But you guys just do not let up, do you??? I don't even know anymore. I'm not going to take the time and effort to try to explain the Republicans argument if I don't even get any enjoyment out of it. I'm honestly quite tired of this. Please rename this thread "Election 2008: Why Democrats are right and Republicans aren't" Just to clarify: I AM PRO LIFE. You have seriously got to be kidding me. I never, EVER, said I was pro choice. My beliefs on abortion should be clear. Yes, now I see the typo. But seriously dude, couldn't you have just realized that, or we're you just too eager to prove me wrong? |
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We aren't ganging up on you, though most of us did joke about it. You just happen to be the only one here defending that viewpoint right now unless someone wants to play devil's advocate. Like you said, the younger generation is just very liberal (especially the forum-goers, as I've noticed) so it's not really a fair debate in that sense. :(
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I read the CNN article about Wasilla charging for rape kits. Wasilla was not the only town to charge for them as some posters conveniently forget to mention. Also according to local records the issue was not brought up at city meetings.
To the posters that say governors are not qualified to be President, I have a list of twentieth century presidents that were governors.
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Getting back on topic, the current issue of debate was education and not "Let's splurge right back into Democrats vs. Republicans part twelve-hundred and sixty two." O_O Seriously dude, read the current discussion before hurtling the masses into an uproar. I'm even voting for McCain and I'm disliking that guy for not thinking before turning a handful of PC greats against Aurasphere in this respect. Not to insult you Red, but if you want to state your beliefs about the election in general, perhaps that can be done during somewhat of an intermission to topics? From what I can see those statements were present at the beginning and only the beginning of this thread, afterwards it's just side-track on issues which debate threads try to avoid. There is a difference between debating something and arguing with someone, just to clear that up. If you want to enrage someone, do it on your own time, that goes for everyone to responded too. There is such a thing as level-headed behavior. You have to analysis a collection of posted information before you deem "wow this person is insulting me" when one should be thinking "Oh he's misunderstanding what I'm presenting, let me try to clear things up from my point of view." Just remember we're all here because of our love of Pokemon :mudkip^_^:, don't let political issues come completely between you and another user. Respecting other's viewpoints is key to success, you don't get there by ganging up or name calling. Politics might seem like the only fun to it is completely ripping each other apart, but hey, c'mon, focus on the real things at stake here. What are you going to do by doing that? That is the worst way of trying to get someone to see your point of view. It's also the worst way, which if you didn't notice is what politicians usually try to do, to persuade the public to think like they do. How else will they get your vote? Being honest, I'm sure once in awhile everyone likes to blow off steam and this kind of thing seems the best way to do it, but when you take into consideration that these issues kind of reflect our countries and...well, our futures? That's kind of an important thing to be taken calmly. Swiftly, sure, but calm would be nice. So again, not pointing fingers, Red, but it's probably better not to taunt the masses. So ANYWAY, what does everyone think about education? Hopefully everyone chimes in for the particular issues and not just ZOMG ARGUMENT, ME JOIN. -_- |
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Wow...I totally forgot about the education part...=P But yes, our passion for our views on politics can cloud ourselves and hurt other people's feelings (Sorry...Aura (;_; ) Yes our love for Pocket Monsters (Yay for PokeSpe!) is what brought us here to this forum. Let's not devolve this debate thread into "my political party is better than yours" arguments. Let's start by not devolving to name calling (Seriously has anybody read that breach of etiquette exchange between me and Aura, Then how I resented it later) You guys are some of the MOST friendliest people I have ever seen. Let's not have our Political views create schisms and grudges, remember the person your replying to IS A PERSON!) SO LETS KEEP DISCUSSIONS ON TOPIC AND ON THE ISSUES! PLEASE :D Also I'm watching PBS and they're right Wall St. is changing right in front of our eyes...Very historic times...=D Quote:
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President Bush has summoned top lawmakers including Senators John McCain and Barack Obama to a meting in the White House to discuss the Bailout plan.
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Anyways the first Presidential Debate was scheduled for Friday (Wow...Moderated by Jim Lehrer? I might actually watch this one since I always try to tune into "The News Hour w/ Jim Lehrer" on PBS which I trust...?cautiously?) but the economic crisis will probably postpone it while McCain, Obama, Congress, and Congress debate on which course to take. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=at0jj_i8qxN4&refer=us Anyways in anticipation for the Presidential/VP Debates: If you could ask the Presidential/VP candidates one question what would it be? Me...I'm not sure since it's an opportunity of the lifetime... Also if you want to talk about the Economy and Education, go ahead... Now for some Campaign ads: I know they're outdated since it was made before/around the Primaries. Sorry Republicans if it's offending but I just had to post it since this is a Pocket Monsters forum. Seriously if Campaign ads were made like this, maybe we'll actually listen to them for once. If you guys have found a Republican version post it....=D |
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I actually found these a couple of months ago during the primaries....I actually wanted to post them up but was too lazy to do so...But yeah they're funny...If politics were like this things would be A LOT EASIER...=P J/K So anybody watching the Presidential Debates tonight? I'll try since the economy is tanking as it is...But isn't it supposed to be about foreign policy? |
This might be off topic for a moment. But do you think McCain is going to the debate tonight?
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Haha, I saw the first video earlier in the summer but the Ron Paul one I like better, it has better graphics :P
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Senator McCain has decided to go to the debate. The first forty-five minutes of the debate was focused on the economy. Now it has moved onto the original topic of foreign policy. Also I am posting the JibJab satire of this campaign.
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What I just love about McCain is that:
About 90% of his commercials just bash Obama and say what Obama wont do. But still wont say what McCain will do. McCain says he is against lobbyists. While, all of his advisers are lobbyists. :\ McCain voted with Bush on economic issues. Also with things like privatizing social secrurity. Which would cause basically anyone over 75 years old to become poor. :\ McCain will be a Bush. Although I will say McCain > Bush....Everyone > Bush. :] (Also to all those idiots, being imprisoned during war is NOT a qualification to be president. His senate terms are. So stop saying "WELL HE WAS IMPRISONED IN VIETNAM" or you will get a "WELL MY FOOT IS IN YOUR EYE") At least Obama isn't a hypocrite and says what he will do. Obama all the way. Why? He actually says what he WILL do. He doesn't spend 99% of his life just bashing the other candidates. He isn't Bush. He wont spend 12 billion dollars a month on a quite possibly endless war. Oh, and he has common sense. That is always fun. |
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The Election is rigged anyway but I'm voting for Obama.
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EDIT: @ Aurasphere: My definition of rigged is when a candidate wins the popular vote but not the electoral vote, which is what really matters. Or when something occurs to interfere with the votes of the election. Ex: Election 2000, Gore won the popular vote but not the electoral vote. And the hanging chads on ballots were never counted, possibly stealing the election from Gore. Now tell me some things aren't rigged. |
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/31/2008-03-31_key_mccain_advisors_were_lobbyists_for_s.html Proof is fun! ^^ About me not knowing the issues, maybe you should look at them. Everything about the enviroment, economics, immigration all that fun stuff McCain voted FOR Bush's proposals on those issues. Also, if SS is privatized, the person themselves will have to pay for it. Not the government. And most people can't pay for it. :\ Not everyone is rich. Also, about half of your additions would be considered flaming. Have fun! :D And, the common sense thing was supposed to be a joke. In case you didn't notice. :3 He will spend LESS THAN 12 BILLION in Afghanistan so yes, it is better. And if you watch any of the speeches, you will see that all McCain does is say what Obama wont do. Actually, this debate is the first time I have actually heard him say a lot of things on what he is going to do. |
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I'm not entirely sure, because I only saw the program once, but there was a lot of evidence suggesting that the Republicans rigged some of the voting machines to count votes differently. ...You could look it up, if you're interested, because I don't know too much about it. --- On topic, I'm not old enough to vote but I'm 100% for Obama. McCain winning the election would be almost exactly like four more years of Bush... I did watch the debate tonight, and tbh, I don't think anyone "won" it. I do, however, think that Obama sounded better, like he had all the facts more together than McCain. McCain was just too vague, and not sticking to the point. ...Yes. I'm done. |
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I watched the debate. The entire thing was just, Obama, "Something something something ..," McCain, "My opponent doesn't understand." |
The Electoral Collage does a fairly good job at representing the will of the people. It has only gone against the will of the people only four times in the history of the United Sates. Also I am posting the entire debate. The YouTube video is broken up into eleven parts. This video in this post is part one and the rest of the parts are accessible after part one is done.
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Quick Thoughts
The debate was pure substance, no lipstick on whatever. It was of course expected that McCain is better on FP. Both candidates knew the facts ....But the economy is what on the voters minds right now and I think it was a draw.
Both candidates sidestepped the issue of which programs to cut due to the Wall. St. Bailout. Maybe on the next debate we'll find out more. Loved it when Obama said: "this orgy of spending" Yes, I'm immature =P |
I thought the debate was disappointingly even. Obama looked presidential and had all the right ideas and stuff, but McCain kept sneering and interuppting him every two seconds to distort and oversimplify all of Obama's ideas, and so Obama naturally had to contest them all for being untrue and they both just ended up wasting lots of time. Obama's gotta be more forceful, which is an unfortunate requirement.
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The interrupting looked real...Democrats in general should develop a backbone and retaliate to such smear campaigns. But the candidates have to look to the public as being above such partisanship due to the economic crisis.... Has anybody noticed that McCain didn't even look towards Obama throughout the debate...and kept on saying Sen. Obama (third-person)...just a thought on body language.... Can't wait to next weeks VP debates...Gwen Iffil's moderating, another PBS newscaster...I can trust that. Let's see how the "shapeshifting" VP's positions will be (Don't worry they'll be coached by the "best" political analysts of the campaigns.) Also can't wait for the next Presidential Debate on the economy (Lucky they were able to squeeze in the economy last night. Many voters were looking forward on that.) Unlike some other Presidential Debates there wasn't anything quotable from this one for History books nor the "funnies" both sticked to pure facts and their campaign points nothing on the change that the $700 Billion bailout of Wall.St on their proposed programs.... Except McCain's proposed Full spending freeze (that's new) except on defence, veterans benefits, forgot the last one...this was the only thing surprising....But there are other things that need work, not just foreign policy and defence since this is a Global Economy.... |
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I know he suffered alot in that POW hell for 6 years, and never tlked but the mission in 'nam was anything but heroic (look up the massacres of innocent viatnemese by american troops). Atleast in WW2 we were fighting a REAL threat (Nazis, Japan, etc.), but in 'nam to many ppl lost their lives in a conflict that had no real positive outcome (much like our "war on terror")
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Theirs no just thing as a war hero. The first casualty of war is the truth. We don't go to war unless were tricked and you know what Nam wasn't met to be won it was met to go the distance. Wars are corporate lies and 911 was the biggest. No one benefited from it but the leaders in our country. It's ashame the Land of the Free became the Land of the Enslaved. I'd watch our flag burn for an hour before I saloot it again and guess what I was born and bread here. The American Dream is over, The American Nightmare as only just begun.
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No such thing as a war hero? Have you no respect for the brave men and women who fight for our safety EVERY SINGLE DAY? Every single one of our soldiers who is fighting or has fought in any war that the US has been involved in is a hero in my opinion. It takes a special kind of person to lay their life on the line, putting the greater good of their country above themselves. I can't even fathom the INCREDIBLE amount of ignorance that must be inside that mind of yours for you to disrespect millions and millions of veterans that have fought and died to protect the very freedoms that you enjoy EVERY SINGLE DAY? HAVE YOU NO RESPECT? HAVE YOU NO THANKFULNESS? Are you not aware that if not for the US military, we would not even be alive right now? You think that wars are waged for corporate and government gain? You are so wrong, I can't even believe that I am typing this right now. You think that 9/11 and the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention every other war in modern US history, are/were fought so that Bush and the "evil" big business corporations can benefit? You and your twisted mind think that America is broken and twisted and a former shadow of the greatness that it once was? I have one message for you and people that share your views: Leave. Get out of here. I for one am ashamed that we live in a country where our very own citizens think that our own government and military are scum. Move to Canada. Move to Europe. Move to freakin Antarctica for all I care. If America has become "The land of the Enslaved" how can you bear to live, benefit, and enjoy the freedom that you and your kind take for granted? You make me sick. And at least use proper grammar when sharing your disgusting and vile opinions. I'm fairly sure "saloot" isn't a word, and "born and bread" is also pretty confusing. |
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If this is the case, if 99.9% of Americans believe that 9/11 was an inside job, I'd tend to think that we'd probably here more about how Bush and his evil henchmen killed 3,000 innocent people instead of islamic terrorists. But oh well, you're probably right. What was I thinking? I'm not going to argue with you any more dude. There's is absolutely no point. |
Actually I meant to say that 99.9% are lunatics and the other .1% like me are smart. I was meaning to reverse the insult from me to you. You called me a lunatic and I reserved it back to you.
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I'll do that. Not only do I have enough of a claim, I have proof. We only punish the poor and weak now. Sure there were some celebes but the businesses and puallitions are above the law. I'm going to leave this alone now and going to the OC.
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Ok...I missed a lot during the night....
The Federal Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008
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It would seem that a fair number of people oppose the bill which has been proposed to save our economy. I've even heard people go as far as calling the bill "Unconstitutional and a step toward Socialism". It is not too drastic of a measure in my opinion, however I do wish that the government had given the bill more though than they have. I can only hope that if the bill does indeed pass that it does not put the nation in a bigger bind later...We do not want nor need another Great Depression.
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I came accross a YouTube video that explains how the Community Reinvestment Act help cause this mess. However it fails to mentions about the repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act which could of helped, in my opinion, prevent the current crises. This article, dated September 24, 2007, explans why we are in big trouble.
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*sigh* Can't we all just stop bashing eachother on everything?
I a quite offended on the way both candidates are being treated here. I am a supporter of McCain, but I'm not disrespecting Obama either, and finding every thing I can to insult him. Now, I would like to ask for a GOOD description on what you feel on some of their policies and beliefs, not just a biased flamewar. My first issue I'd like to give my opinion on in depth: Healthcare: Alright, I'm mentioning this because after catching up on 5-6 more pages, this issue is bothering me now. Many people are saying that it will be good, some say it will be bad. Well, why is it one of those two? My opinion is that it is not a good thing. Overall, the taxing is the worst part. Alright, some people say higher taxes are the cost of this system. Okay, but one thing few answer,is what about the Middle Class like us? My family only makes $50,000 a year, we have enough trouble holding together already. Higher taxes could make things even worse for us! Also, the only question I have on this is: What about the people who are sitting on welfare, or such? Will we be taxing them too? Or is my family and the rest of the country stuck paying for them? Mooshykris |
Economy....
Is it just me or does anybody else feel their just dreaming this historic event and election cycle...
Just as the economy took over the US Presidential/Congressional campaigns, it has taken over this thread... I was thinking that since most average Americans have been comparing the past month to the Great Depression, does that mean that the Democrats will be swept into power again? A timeline on what the heck happened according to BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7521250.stm Why did the Bail-out fail (BBC): http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7643199.stm -Simple answer: The American People thought it was A Wall.St giveaway (Both the Left and the Right hated it...rare...) BBC's Answer: They (Wall.St) are perceived as greedy, incompetent fat cats who have created this crisis themselves and who are now being allowed to pick the pockets of American voters to fix it. My AP Biology teacher actually used that word "fat cats" to describe why we got into this mess... American voters simply have not seen this as a crisis that affects their real lives on Main Street - it is seen as a welfare scheme for the humbled plutocrats of Wall Street. If the problems deepen and people suddenly see unemployment rising because businesses cannot get money from the banks to pay their bills and honour their payrolls, then that sentiment might change. Maybe so if things go worse, people might accept anything just like how we accepted the "Alphabet Soup" of Government agencies during the Great Depression (SS FTW!) How would financial "Armageddon" look like?: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7631281.stm Not exactly the "Great Depression" everyone is saying... OH Healthcare...eh touchy subject for me so I'll answer that when I get around to it...sorry.... |
Call me ignorant, maybe, but I don't see why people don't support the bail-out. If the financial "crisis", as it's being called, continues to advance, then it is very much going to affect the middle-class.
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Also Health-care: During the debate McCain mentioned something about a bout a $5000 tax-credit...Wonder how that would work since it's still the taxpayer and employers who will burden the cost....
Bill Clinton: Economic Crisis Means Veep Choice Is More Important By Greg Sargent - October 1, 2008, 2:08PM Bill Clinton -- doing some powerful campaigning in Florida for the first time on Obama's behalf today -- laid out an interesting argument against McCain-Palin, claiming that the economy will consume so much of the new president's attention that the Veep will be forced to play a bigger role on the world stage... From Bill's comments... "Senator Obama has spoken a lot about how we oughta relate to the world, and yes, he'll get out and travel some in the first year, we should want him to do it. But he is going to have to be really focused on fixing this economy. That means that role of the Vice President in repairing quickly our relations with the rest of the world will be relatively more important in the first two years of the next presidency. "And I am just telling you, you can talk to me or anybody else at any time in Washington, and they will tell you there is nobody, nobody in the entire United States senate that understands the political, the economic, and the security challenges and opportunities of the world better than Joe Biden does. He is a superb choice." Wow...way to go Bill...(By posting this I'm incurring the Republican's wrath =P) |
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Today the Senate is going to take up the bailout proposal. They ticked it to include raising FDIC coverage to $250,000 and passing a temporary fix for the AMT.
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I'm in Canada so I cannot vote in the US election but I would totally vote Obama.
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The Senate in a 74-25 vote, passes the bailout bill. The Senate hopes with their changes that the House will pass their version on Friday.
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McCain all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Something about the bailout.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMFt7tRq-Ps ... and there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntEE9Zy-qQQ I wouldn't be surprised if America voted a republican to lead the country again. They did the same when they voted Bush twice for presidency. History repeats itself as always; people just don't learn. I'm not American but I would definetly vote for Obama. |
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There's not anything about "people not learning" here, it's just how the cycle goes. We're always bound to get one or the other eventually. One major cycle point: At some point people will get tired of Republicans, and vote Democrat. Then, after enough time, they will be sick of Democrats, and vote Republican. That's what keeps a balance in the system :P Mooshykris |
Actually, in the past 50 years, there have only been 2 Democrat presidents.
Although, chances are Obama's going to win this time, bringing that number up to 3. Because basically, whenever there's an economic crisis, people turn to the Democrats. Free markets is one the foundation of Republicans, meaning that they don't want to take steps to do anything about a sinking economy. |
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Kennedy - Democrat Johnson - Democrat Nixon - Republican Ford - Republican Carter - Democrat Regan - Republican Bush - Republican Clinton - Democrat Bush - Republican Mooshykris |
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So I'll go watch the VP debates and comment tomorrow...Thanks! -Netto |
I watched the Vice-Presidential debate last night and was glad the Gov. Palin was able to hold her own against Sen. Biden.
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I'll comment more later...School's about to start... =D |
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I still need to watch the whole thing...I missed the first half >.< |
The only things in particular I can pick out is that Biden referenced a lot of mainstream politicians that the good majority of Americans aren't going to know, really (I'll find some examples later) and that Sarah was perhaps a little soft in her representation. She did, however, pick up the pace a bit and brought the swing back on Biden by telling the audience how he was referencing himself as opposed to Obama's viewpoints, just as the commentator said afterward "as if he was the one running for office." I actually have more respect for Biden based on what he answered to when asked "If this was you running for office, how do you differ from Obama". He seemed kind of over the edge when he was nominated and he frightened me a little bit (and I suppose he is normally colorful and loud when it comes to his views, and that's definitely a good thing, seems like that small room setting with just him, Sarah and the camera kind of quelled him.) I hope that made sense XD.
Anyway, Sarah definitely held her own there without prodding Joe too much, only giving back what he gave her and yeah, it definitely proved she can debate with the rest of them. She could probably lay off the "dog-gone-it, Joe"'s and other Alaskaness (I did just make that word up :P) but that's just how she is and I think it's funny. |
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Anyway, about the debate, was it me, or did Gov. Palin wink a couple times? |
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The debate was a good show, I only watched part of it, but both candidates did fairly well, no major blunders or anything. While I don't think it'll convince many swing voters for one side or another, it probably helps cement the faith of the already faithful.
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I don't know, I'm still undecided either way, but neither canditate seemed better than the other to me. Maybe experience really doesn't mean all that much.
Anyways, I think it's interesting how so many more people who voted in this thread are pro-Obama. |
I could go either way right now (despite the fact I can't vote). I have both extremist democrats, and republicans within my family. It really gets to me sometimes :<
I still can't get over the fact Governor Palin winked at the camera during the debate though xD |
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Maybe it's just me, but doesn't this make McCain a bit of a hypocrite (maybe not the right word) for choosing someone who is a newcomer in politics? Granted as Palin said last night, she has some experience, but a VP is president of the senate. Though all they do is cast a tie breaking vote, she never served on the senate. I mean it isn't really a simple job. Honestly a pre-requisite should be that the VP you choose should have served on the senate. I mean McCain has been going on an on about expreince but he is choosing someone who could potentially be president (in the extreme case of his death) who doesn't really know the workings of the senate.
Rant Aside... As for last night, Palin seemed like she was just dancing aroudn the questions. I mean yeah she answered, but unlike Bidden, she didn't really give a straightforward answer. I guess it's clear I'm a democrat XD |
Don't think so, Palin did fairly well answering the questions, especially for someone as inexperienced as she is. Sure, she did a little bit of dodging, but it's not really more than what one expects in politics.
Oh, also, VPs don't do anything that's really that important, anyways. The main thing about selecting VPs is in case if the President dies. Which, considering McCain's age, is quite high. If McCain weren't as old as he was, I think people would be a lot less touchy about Palin. |
I can agree with that. It's just she seemed (at least to me) to dodge the questions and went just talked about the energy plan.
Well that makes sense though, someone that inexperienced (meaning again never even served on the senate) shouldn't really have that high of a chance. |
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Obama's actually been a politician much longer than Palin, especially if you don't count her time as the mayor of a town with 5,000 people. Actually, I think Governors are more suited to being Presidents/Vice Presidents, because Governors actually do governing, while Senators just sit around reading and voting on bills.
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FEESA of 2008 Passes....
"The American People fought the lobbyists and the Lobbyists won..."
As I said on Monday I was surprised that the bill didn't pass...But eh...as it turns out we were just prolonging the inevitable...The Lobbyists called in everyone and with the bussiness community was able to threatened Congress into passing the $700 Billion Bail-out (Now $850 Billion 'cuz of all the "Sweeteners" added in to entice the Republicans and Democrats into passing it....) The biggest heist of Wall.St towards the American People.... So Me, Aura, Red and every single American taxpayer are now the "Proud" owners of $700 Billion worth of crap... Yeah you heard me the "Proud" owners of $700 Billion worth of BS... What the bail-out boils down to: http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/09/23/tomo/story.jpg With a gun pointed at it's head by Wall St. and Lobbyists, Congress was forced to pass a Bill as a $700 Billion "Band-aid" to the Stinking corpse of the financial markets. I understand that if Congress didn't do anything it would be a "catastrophy/apocalypse now" But Congress could have done way better than giving Sec. of Tresury Henry Paulson $700 Billion to throw around. But hey that subtle language giving Paulson authority to use the money to get "stocks" from the Banks (Sombody was smart for doing this) instead of giving them $700 Billion and taking the "Toxic Assets" makes me think we could work with this act... |
I heard on the radio that we would get most of the money back eventually. =/ I sure hope so, or the national debt just jumped again.
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To be honest I just want a president that will do something about the bailout. I mean I am happy about it succeeding in the end (or did it officially fail). With us about to hit a recession, I just want to know what's going to happen with the economy. |
I just love how at the debate how Sarah Palin was using the words such as "Doggone" and "Straight Up" in the debate. I got the feeling that she was trying to appeal to young voters. Also, I just love how what she said in the Katie Couric interview that she was for Women's rights, but doesn't support abortion? LMAO
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I could make a joke about her not supporting abortion, not only is it fairly obvious, I may get banned. XD
And yeah she is trying to appeal to younger voters, I don't think many American Youth really could relate to McCain. Granted there are the informed voters, but there are many people who judge candidates solely on appearance. I mean the man doesn't even really know how to use a computer apparently. |
That's pretty much normal for a 70-year old. My grandparents can barely even use a cell phone.
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Exactly, that's I think another reason that he picked Palin. Rather than use his daughter, I guess he wants a parents who can relate to the kids.
Edit: He's 72 XD. |
Obama has the best policies by far...
Mccain is Bush II |
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