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Red1530 October 7th, 2008 9:36 AM

Obama's Surrogate Connection to the Keating Five
 
One of Senator Obama's surrogates, Sen. John Glenn was apart of the Keating Five as well. Like Senator McCain he was cleared by the Senate Ethics Committee. I was listing to the Neal Boortz Show and he read from parts of a New York Times article dated September 30, 1999, that showed some people were raising the alarm then.

Samurai X October 7th, 2008 5:25 PM

I really don't like both candidates but Palin worries me and that's what's made my mind up really. I can't believe something like that is what won me over, it's sad really.

sims796 October 7th, 2008 5:44 PM

He makes a good point. Most youth have dmeocratic views, and that's to be expected. They are usually naive to the workings of the world outside their own. No, I won't mince words, or try to sound nice over teh intarwebs. Youth of today -including me- are somewhat ignorant of how the world actually work, no matter how many figures we can find, or how smart we think we are.

Red1530 October 7th, 2008 7:17 PM

After watching the debate, I have to say it failed to meet my expectations of a town hall format debate. As I suspected, most of the questions were on the economy but it seams that both sides were able to reiterate their campaign talking points. I was hoping for other questions besides the economy and health care like gun control and immigration. In my opinion the first debate was better then the second.

Aurafire October 7th, 2008 7:23 PM

I agree with red, most of it was just campaign rhetoric and "he voted for this and I didn't". I was left feeling very dissatisfied. There was a lot of dancing around the questions and not a lot of real debate.

Allstories October 7th, 2008 7:28 PM

Overhead projectors are killing our economy!

Aurafire October 7th, 2008 7:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Allstories (Post 4013437)
Overhead projectors are killing our economy!

That was actually kind of hilarious...McCain could have sited much more meaningful spending bills than...over-head projectors XD.

Akio123 October 8th, 2008 5:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Red1530 (Post 4013410)
After watching the debate, I have to say it failed to meet my expectations of a town hall format debate. As I suspected, most of the questions were on the economy but it seams that both sides were able to reiterate their campaign talking points. I was hoping for other questions besides the economy and health care like gun control and immigration. In my opinion the first debate was better then the second.

Well the next debate is next week at Hofstra, so you can probably watch another to see if anything you need answered will maybe done then.the first debate I did like I must say though...

Mooshykris October 8th, 2008 6:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Netto Azure (Post 4012942)
Who are you talking about :P

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Originally Posted by Allstories (Post 4013437)
Overhead projectors are killing our economy!

^ The guy who won't cut on the sarcasm, that's who.


~Mooshykris

TRIFORCE89 October 8th, 2008 6:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4013072)
He makes a good point. Most youth have dmeocratic views, and that's to be expected. They are usually naive to the workings of the world outside their own. No, I won't mince words, or try to sound nice over teh intarwebs. Youth of today -including me- are somewhat ignorant of how the world actually work, no matter how many figures we can find, or how smart we think we are.

That's...a Democrat thing in general. XD Or at least the supporters of the party. If you watch say...CNN. When they do the annoying talking heads of Republican supporters and Democrat supports. The images the supporters project out is one of "we're perfect, and they're pure evil". Which then makes the Republicans look wimpy because all they can say is "Can you shuttup and let us talk?" Disagreements and stuff are fine, but the supporters take absolutely no responsibility for anything and can't fathom that they would do something wrong.

With the financial crisis, both parties are responsible. The 40-year loan nonsense started with Clinton, Bush should've put a stop to that during his presidency. Six years ago the Republicans said we have a problem here, we should do something. Democrats said nah. Now we have an $80 billion bailout with to pay for parties of those responsible. Way to go both parties.

The amount of spin is incredible. Both parties have the same view on gay marriage, but the Democrats make it out that Republicans want them destroyed.

So, even if it's untrue - your options as a youth are the supposed perfect party or support the devil. No one actually bothers to look into anything or view the platform and actually be informed.

sims796 October 8th, 2008 7:10 AM

I *kinda* meant both the democratic & the youth are out of the loop, but you explained it much better, especially since I had to re-read it twice =D.

I think I may be democratic, I haven't decided. But no matter what the party, it is far too important to look outside the ass or the trunk, and do original reasearch. The youth of today has far too much time on their hands, thinking they can understand everything about the world through the news & the internets. And 97% of the internets is porn, so there that goes. And don't get me started on those liberal youths. Rebublican youth actually annoy me more.

I just hate young people >=[

TRIFORCE89 October 8th, 2008 7:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4014286)
I *kinda* meant both the democratic & the youth are out of the loop, but you explained it much better, especially since I had to re-read it twice =D.

I think I may be democratic, I haven't decided. But no matter what the party, it is far too important to look outside the ass or the trunk, and do original reasearch. The youth of today has far too much time on their hands, thinking they can understand everything about the world through the news & the internets. And 97% of the internets is porn, so there that goes. And don't get me started on those liberal youths. Rebublican youth actually annoy me more.

I just hate young people >=[

I consider myself centre-right. I'm fisically conservative and somewhat socially liberal (if there's a left route and a right route, I'll probably make up a middle route XD). And in Canada, I'm all set cause I have a party that fits that bill. But, in the states I'd be at a lost. The Republicans are too far right (although I hoped McCain would change that. He could've, but nope). If I was in America, I could flip-flop all year between the two parties. XD

Netto Azure October 8th, 2008 7:40 AM

Replies...
 
Sorry for not being able to give opinions for 2 days, but HS comes first before PC. I would have a much better reply than this but it was accidentally deleted earlier....
Also I'll comment on the Debates tomorrow...

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Originally Posted by Chairzard (Post 4008733)
Wow awful lot of democratic votes, aw well it makes sense considering most of the people here are under 18.

Too bad you guys cant vote, Mccain 08

Just what are you implying. The stereotype that the "youth" are a bunch of Democrats? Aurasphere attests to the fact that it's not true. But don't worry Obama has rallied the "Youth" to vote and be part of the political process....:P

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Originally Posted by Chairzard (Post 4008792)
Someone believes media hype to much, we are in no way shape or form going to fall back to the depression age, we still have the highest Gross Domestic Profit of any country and it is still increasing.The value of the dollar always increases and decreases at certain intervals in history and there is no reason to suspect it won't recover.

Sure our economy Isn't in its prime right now, but that whole depression talk is ********.

I'm sure were not going to a depression, but it will still be a severe recession due to the fears instilled in Wall. St., NOW IT'S ALL ABOUT PSYCHOLOGICAL FEAR!!! That is what driving the markets down!!! But remember this is now a Global Economy. Europe's scrambling for plans, this affects us. The import-export interconnection does not isolate us from the world. What happens on one part of the world greatly affects us.

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Originally Posted by Mooshykris (Post 4008776)
At this point, I'd like to ask the question. Forget the policies on abortion, guns, healthcare, and everything else.


I'd like you guys to answer how you think EITHER of them can solve the economy, which is rapidly falling back to the depression age. Because, though I still support McCain, I seriously think neither one can do anything to stop the inevitable, and we'll just have to let history repeat itself, and recover naturally.

Mooshykris

I think either one ALONE cannot solve the problem. But I believe Obama's level-headedness is an asset during this uncertain times and the thing is he is able to listen to both sides before making decisions. That is why we need Bi-partisanship. We need both Conservative Frugalism and Liberal Social Programs to weather these great times. :14:

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Originally Posted by Aurasphere (Post 4009139)
In all actuality, the market determines the price of oil, which determines the price of gas. Since supply is relatively low, obviously the price must rise. I mean...people are quick to blame the oil companies for the high prices, but if they don't charge what the market requires they won't make any money, then no one will have gas =X

We could start drilling for oil in the humungotastic reserves we have right here on American soil, but Congress obviously thinks that's a bad idea -_-

How Wall St. works :P Heh...


I know it's necessary for the improvement of the supply. But it's just too morally questionable to put profits first.
Also didn't Congress already pass that offshore oil-drilling Act? Yes, we need to become Energy Independent but how are we going to learn how to live without oil if we keep on looking for ways to get it?

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Originally Posted by Lusankya (Post 4010372)
Meanwhile, we have the "W" movie about George W. Bush coming out on October 17. :P

Anyways, any kinda of talk about having a mud-free, higher-level campaign is just that: Talk. All the politicians end up just throwing stuff at each other and hoping something will stick. People might say they hate negative ads, but the fact is: They work.

One can have "Hope" for "Change" or "Chope" (Mad TV Reference =D) Anyways, I've seen enough NEGATIVE politics in the Phillipines. We've seen our own President Impeached through a "People Power" Revolution in 2001 due to corruption charges....It's sad that polititians sell their souls and principlesfor the greater good....

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Originally Posted by TRIFORCE89 (Post 4010651)
I actually like T. Boone Pickens' plan a lot. But neither candidate seems to support it in full.

As the campaign goes on...I've come to the conclusion that I dislike both candidates. XD I liked McCain eight years ago and he should've gained his party's nomination then. But, he's just not the same now and I dislike Palin. With Obama...Hillary would've been a much better choice. And I just don't see him as having the experience. He said so himself before he started running and Biden (although he won't admit it now) and Carter say the same.

Eh it would have been a lot easier to convince my parents to vote Democrat if Hillary was on the Democratic Ticket. Thy're both voting Republican TT^TT XP....

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Originally Posted by Mooshykris (Post 4011588)
Haha what amazes me here is how it seems there are some people here who debate dirtier then the candidates themselves :P

~Mooshykris

Who are you talking about? :9:

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Originally Posted by TRIFORCE89 (Post 4014299)
I consider myself centre-right. I'm fisically conservative and somewhat socially liberal (if there's a left route and a right route, I'll probably make up a middle route XD). And in Canada, I'm all set cause I have a party that fits that bill. But, in the states I'd be at a lost. The Republicans are too far right (although I hoped McCain would change that. He could've, but nope). If I was in America, I could flip-flop all year between the two parties. XD

Eh....I've seen the Canadian Parties platforms. (Listened to "As it happens" on CBC) Now I support the Conservative Party. YOU MUST STAY THE COURSE!!!! LOL!!! A budget surplus convincesme to do this

Volkner's Apprentice October 8th, 2008 2:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TRIFORCE89 (Post 4014249)
That's...a Democrat thing in general. XD Or at least the supporters of the party. If you watch say...CNN. When they do the annoying talking heads of Republican supporters and Democrat supports. The images the supporters project out is one of "we're perfect, and they're pure evil". Which then makes the Republicans look wimpy because all they can say is "Can you shuttup and let us talk?" Disagreements and stuff are fine, but the supporters take absolutely no responsibility for anything and can't fathom that they would do something wrong.

With the financial crisis, both parties are responsible. The 40-year loan nonsense started with Clinton, Bush should've put a stop to that during his presidency. Six years ago the Republicans said we have a problem here, we should do something. Democrats said nah. Now we have an $80 billion bailout with to pay for parties of those responsible. Way to go both parties.

The amount of spin is incredible. Both parties have the same view on gay marriage, but the Democrats make it out that Republicans want them destroyed.

So, even if it's untrue - your options as a youth are the supposed perfect party or support the devil. No one actually bothers to look into anything or view the platform and actually be informed.

Why are Canadians so sensible? haha, I like the way you put that, a lot of it's true. Although I've already chosen the Republican party based on solid values and what not, I can lean to the center on a good number of things and easily understand where other people are coming from.

The extremists kill me, honestly, and I don't mean to be biased but a lot of the people I know who are liberal are the ones who bite your head off when it comes to expressing their views and that to me is just stupid. There's nothing wrong with trying to get things across and expressing your viewpoints/beliefs in an honest, clean fashion instead of screaming so the whole cafeteria/restaurant/store/etc. can hear you say "ARE YOU SERIOUS!?! OMG *RANTS ABOUT HOW WRONG SAID PERSON THEY'RE TALKING TO IS*"

I don't mind if people are excited or really positive about what they think, but there's definitely a line that must be drawn. Politics is a lot, but it's not life (well..alright, so it determines a hell of a lot, but you get the picture :P).

Glitter Stain October 8th, 2008 4:20 PM

Normally, I'd just vote for a Democratic president anyway, but I have another reason not to vote for McCain. I mean, that would mean, putting Sarah Palin in office, and... um... no thanks. She waffles any question she can't answer and replies by saying how much she's done for Alaska. My advice? She can freeze her ass off in Alaska. No reason to make someone like that VP.

If someone thought she was being courageous for being a woman running for high office, been there, done that.

Biden, on the other hand, usually answers the questions he gets, and is a much better VP choice.

Now, about the actual presidents, either one would be fine for me... but I just can't deal with Palin.

sims796 October 8th, 2008 4:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Netto Azure (Post 4014315)
Just what are you implying. The stereotype that the "youth" are a bunch of Democrats? Aurasphere attests to the fact that it's not true. But don't worry Obama has rallied the "Youth" to vote and be part of the political process....:P

Ok just because were "Kids" doesn't mean we don't know what is going on. What are you, 19? Such thinking is what makes the Youth lose their voice in Government. What makes you think that just because your "older" you know everything? Seriously, the Youth has been shunned from the HEAVILY CORRUPT political process long enough!!! That's messed up thinking right there. Are we going to give up our voice for the RICH FAT CATS IN WALL.ST?

And you proved my point on the youths of America. Try re-reading what I wrote, instead of takiing things as an insult. I never said that the youth must be kept out of the loop. Not even close. I did say, that Triforce correctly noted, that the youths are ignorant of what goes on inside of the real world. Meaning, the youth doesn't own businesses. The youth doesn't pay taxes. The youth, most at least, doesn't have jobs to pay taxes, or to support others. No, not helping out the parents,I mean paying their own taxes. The youth aren't traders. They can ONLY form opinions on things they look up, things they watch on the news, and reasearch. That can take you far, but because things don't afect you,personally, you won't have the clear understanding of an adult.

Also, I never said that I was any difference, I was correctly noting on something I have seen. To say that I feel I am better is very,very immature thinking. Bad enough you mistook my words, but I figured the young would. This is just what I mean about the youth. Almost all youth finds the government corrupt, yet can only reason with wild theories. And anyone that is rich is fatcats.

EDIT:Wait, I even included myself with my summaries of the youth in politics. So where are you getting this from?

Volkner's Apprentice October 8th, 2008 9:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4015664)
And you proved my point on the youths of America. Try re-reading what I wrote, instead of takiing things as an insult. I never said that the youth must be kept out of the loop. Not even close. I did say, that Triforce correctly noted, that the youths are ignorant of what goes on inside of the real world. Meaning, the youth doesn't own businesses. The youth doesn't pay taxes. The youth, most at least, doesn't have jobs to pay taxes, or to support others. No, not helping out the parents,I mean paying their own taxes. The youth aren't traders. They can ONLY form opinions on things they look up, things they watch on the news, and reasearch. That can take you far, but because things don't afect you,personally, you won't have the clear understanding of an adult.

Also, I never said that I was any difference, I was correctly noting on something I have seen. To say that I feel I am better is very,very immature thinking. Bad enough you mistook my words, but I figured the young would. This is just what I mean about the youth. Almost all youth finds the government corrupt, yet can only reason with wild theories. And anyone that is rich is fatcats.

EDIT:Wait, I even included myself with my summaries of the youth in politics. So where are you getting this from?

I can almost completely agree with that statement too, sims. I mean honestly, I'm 18. Legal? Sure, but does that mean I'm fully educated oh how to pay taxes, run a business, amongst a wide variety of everything people have to get to knowing when they get into the real world? Hell no. I'm just an average college student trying to get into a better university right now, I'm focused on that as well as maintaining a part-time job to help my parents out with car insurance and keeping myself in shape, social, and well-versed in all of my interest areas. The youth of America cannot fully grasp what these issues completely encompass because when it comes right down to it, there's no other learning method but experience. That's the bottom line-you have to do, touch, feel, get angry, get stressed, get confused, be enlightened, be focused, be determined, and everything else on the emotional roller coaster called Life. You can't just say "my dad taught me this" or "Oh I watch and hear about that all the time on the news" and call yourself well-versed on the matters at hand.

As much as I like having the ability to vote the moment I turn eighteen, it's painfully obvious the majority of my peers don't use this right to their advantage. I've studied the issues, I've weighed the sides which is ten times more than the average student at my school (thankfully, though, this being such an important election, most of my friends, classmates and neighbors have really gotten into things and are taking sides/learning/etc. which I think is a good start.) In the end, however, I still feel as if an overwhelming percentage of the issues cannot possibly be grasped by my brain nor that of anyone who is eighteen years of age in these United States because we just. haven't. been. there. period.

To top it all off, things are never going to just hit you upside the head like a bag of bricks and suddenly you're an expert on politics, big business, the economy as a whole, global everything, etc. It's a gradual process and a lot of such things can be difficult to start learning, let alone master by age twenty.

/Circa October 9th, 2008 12:13 AM

Bill Clinton coming back to finish what he started through other people?
I'm surprised he's still alive. Not for long >;D!

sims796 October 9th, 2008 5:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Volkner's Apprentice (Post 4016171)
I can almost completely agree with that statement too, sims. I mean honestly, I'm 18. Legal? Sure, but does that mean I'm fully educated oh how to pay taxes, run a business, amongst a wide variety of everything people have to get to knowing when they get into the real world? Hell no. I'm just an average college student trying to get into a better university right now, I'm focused on that as well as maintaining a part-time job to help my parents out with car insurance and keeping myself in shape, social, and well-versed in all of my interest areas. The youth of America cannot fully grasp what these issues completely encompass because when it comes right down to it, there's no other learning method but experience. That's the bottom line-you have to do, touch, feel, get angry, get stressed, get confused, be enlightened, be focused, be determined, and everything else on the emotional roller coaster called Life. You can't just say "my dad taught me this" or "Oh I watch and hear about that all the time on the news" and call yourself well-versed on the matters at hand.

As much as I like having the ability to vote the moment I turn eighteen, it's painfully obvious the majority of my peers don't use this right to their advantage. I've studied the issues, I've weighed the sides which is ten times more than the average student at my school (thankfully, though, this being such an important election, most of my friends, classmates and neighbors have really gotten into things and are taking sides/learning/etc. which I think is a good start.) In the end, however, I still feel as if an overwhelming percentage of the issues cannot possibly be grasped by my brain nor that of anyone who is eighteen years of age in these United States because we just. haven't. been. there. period.

To top it all off, things are never going to just hit you upside the head like a bag of bricks and suddenly you're an expert on politics, big business, the economy as a whole, global everything, etc. It's a gradual process and a lot of such things can be difficult to start learning, let alone master by age twenty.

Thank you, you, how does it go, hit the nail on the head? Original reasearch can only ttake you so far. There is nothing wrong with learning the issues as a young, and staying on top of the game in politics. Just please remember, that until you get a job, pay taxes, maybe support a family, hell, even yourself, you do not have all the answers. You can only watch the carnage, and because the young feels that they know much, they usually have "all the answers", leading to democraic beliefs. M+

BTW, democrats FTW. I said it.

Joey the Cockroach October 9th, 2008 6:56 AM

if i could, i would possibly vote for Barack Obama because i think he can make a big difference. i think he would do extremely well as President.

sims796 October 9th, 2008 2:57 PM

Oh, I meant that. I hate everyone younger. Hence my high school nickname, "Grampa". Even in college, I've been called bitter like an old man. Always with their Myspace, and their hippity-hop music, and their MP3s & 123s.

That said, this has been a pretty pissy election thus far.

Netto Azure October 9th, 2008 4:54 PM

Ok real replies...
 
Ok I am restating and retracting my former comments since now I could see our misunderstanding. Also I was just making spontanious comments since I barely had the time to comment and was just skimming through the replies. Not I have 30 Minutes to clear this up. New Comments in Bold.

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4014286)
I *kinda* meant both the democratic & the youth are out of the loop, but you explained it much better, especially since I had to re-read it twice =D.

I think I may be democratic, I haven't decided. But no matter what the party, it is far too important to look outside the ass or the trunk, and do original reasearch. The youth of today has far too much time on their hands, thinking they can understand everything about the world through the news & the internets. And 97% of the internets is porn, so there that goes. And don't get me started on those liberal youths. Rebublican youth actually annoy me more.

I just hate young people >=[

I agree that experience in "real" life is needed for us to understand how things actually work. I don't think that simply reasaerching and reading about life is enough for us to understand how it works. Politics on the other hand CAN be influenced for the better if you work and pressure the government enough that's what we were talking about weren't we?.

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4015664)
And you proved my point on the youths of America. Try re-reading what I wrote, instead of takiing things as an insult. I never said that the youth must be kept out of the loop. Not even close. I did say, that Triforce correctly noted, that the youths are ignorant of what goes on inside of the real world. Meaning, the youth doesn't own businesses. The youth doesn't pay taxes. The youth, most at least, doesn't have jobs to pay taxes, or to support others. No, not helping out the parents,I mean paying their own taxes. The youth aren't traders. They can ONLY form opinions on things they look up, things they watch on the news, and reasearch. That can take you far, but because things don't afect you,personally, you won't have the clear understanding of an adult.

Also, I never said that I was any difference, I was correctly noting on something I have seen. To say that I feel I am better is very,very immature thinking. Bad enough you mistook my words, but I figured the young would. This is just what I mean about the youth. Almost all youth finds the government corrupt, yet can only reason with wild theories. And anyone that is rich is fatcats.

EDIT:Wait, I even included myself with my summaries of the youth in politics. So where are you getting this from?

Reading that short fictional novel "Flowers for Algernon", proves your point that growing intellectually is not enough to understand the world. You need both emotional growth and experience for you to truly understand, even just a little bit, on how GREY the world really is. I apologize again for the misunderstanding. I know that not every rich person is corrupt. Stereotypes of any kind is degrading to the hard work one individual does to get where they are, my former comment just shows my flaws as a human being, having stereotypes of people or a certain group. I admit to that.

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Originally Posted by Volkner's Apprentice (Post 4016171)
I can almost completely agree with that statement too, sims. I mean honestly, I'm 18. Legal? Sure, but does that mean I'm fully educated oh how to pay taxes, run a business, amongst a wide variety of everything people have to get to knowing when they get into the real world? Hell no. I'm just an average college student trying to get into a better university right now, I'm focused on that as well as maintaining a part-time job to help my parents out with car insurance and keeping myself in shape, social, and well-versed in all of my interest areas. The youth of America cannot fully grasp what these issues completely encompass because when it comes right down to it, there's no other learning method but experience. That's the bottom line-you have to do, touch, feel, get angry, get stressed, get confused, be enlightened, be focused, be determined, and everything else on the emotional roller coaster called Life. You can't just say "my dad taught me this" or "Oh I watch and hear about that all the time on the news" and call yourself well-versed on the matters at hand.

As much as I like having the ability to vote the moment I turn eighteen, it's painfully obvious the majority of my peers don't use this right to their advantage. I've studied the issues, I've weighed the sides which is ten times more than the average student at my school (thankfully, though, this being such an important election, most of my friends, classmates and neighbors have really gotten into things and are taking sides/learning/etc. which I think is a good start.) In the end, however, I still feel as if an overwhelming percentage of the issues cannot possibly be grasped by my brain nor that of anyone who is eighteen years of age in these United States because we just. haven't. been. there. period.

To top it all off, things are never going to just hit you upside the head like a bag of bricks and suddenly you're an expert on politics, big business, the economy as a whole, global everything, etc. It's a gradual process and a lot of such things can be difficult to start learning, let alone master by age twenty.

As I said earlier I agree that us Youth need experience. But today's world is too specialized and the adults are too confortable to what they have that they just want to hang on to it. Seriously some people are not even bothering to look at the issues, the backgrounds of the candidates, and just care for what happens within their own backyard. What's the use of all that experience then? Do we just blindly follow what the media spin says or the candidates mudslinging? Or do we use technology to understand things better?

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4016625)
Thank you, you, how does it go, hit the nail on the head? Original reasearch can only take you so far. There is nothing wrong with learning the issues as a young, and staying on top of the game in politics. Just please remember, that until you get a job, pay taxes, maybe support a family, hell, even yourself, you do not have all the answers. You can only watch the carnage, and because the young feels that they know much, they usually have "all the answers", leading to democraic beliefs. M+

BTW, democrats FTW. I said it.

I restate my point. I don't believe the Youth has all the answers. But that also applies to adults as well. Do our politicians have all the answers? No. But we are lucky to have them to take that burden on their conscience of knowing the morally questionable things they do to get things done or moving forward. Also why should us youth just "watch the carnage"? I have raised that point since that is what my Mother keeps on saying due to me paying attention to this election. She keeps on saying "Why don't you become a politician?" I say NO, because Politicians sell their souls and beliefs for the power of compromise. I know that the World is GREY much to my dismay, we could see it everyday. My mom says "Don't lie" But I can see them doing that, isn't that hypocritical?
But us Youth still have uncrushed ideals and while we still have it we must use our power of protest to get people to listen.

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4017904)
Oh, I meant that. I hate everyone younger. Hence my high school nickname, "Grampa". Even in college, I've been called bitter like an old man. Always with their Myspace, and their hippity-hop music, and their MP3s & 123s.

That said, this has been a pretty pissy election thus far.

LOL :P
Your right the age gap and technological difference can make things look different. But please understand that the Youth are people too. They just want to take things slow before we start worrying about the problems of "real" life. While we still have the free time to pay attention to Global affairs, we must use it for the betterment of Society. Because once you get older their is just so many domestic problems for you to have the time to do real reaserch on how Global Things work.

Please dont hate the youth. Please understand our positions.
I just didn't have the "free time" that you were talking about. High School comes first. Why do I even bother to go to school if I didn't want to learn how the world works. Also again, I apologize.

What do you mean "Pissy" election? :D

sims796 October 9th, 2008 5:07 PM

Those are all youthful opinions, that will change with age. I'm not reading all that, far too much >=[. But as we said, those opinions won't nearly be the same when you go out there. Adults may not hhave all the answers,but they damn sure know more than the young. & I don't mean those special, "out of the loop" adults, I mean real working, striving adults, having to support a family or just themselves, those that own businesses & those whose job depends on this stock crash, or the nex pres. As I said, I never mentioned that the young only "watches the carnage", and I don't really feel like mentioning it again, but I will. We can keep ourselves informed, but it will never match experience. And as I keep saying, over 9000 tyemz, we can still have a voice, but their is a reason the young cannot vote. We can try our best to get the message across, however, I never disputed that. Well, yaw'll can try. I can vote. Burn. Epic burn. (Although I said it 9001 teimz, I never made it this clear. Didn't think I'd have too)

I always hear how "corrupt" politicians are, yet I never get a clear reasoning as to why. It usually comes from those that are in high school. It is never that black & white. Do we see the world as grey, or do we only see what we can watch on the news?

Those domestic problems are what shape America, and is what makes the average American voter's (foriegn or otherwise) opinion.

No harm done.

Netto Azure October 9th, 2008 6:25 PM

Eh....
 
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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4018303)
Those are all youthful opinions, that will change with age. I'm not reading all that, far too much >=[. But as we said, those opinions won't nearly be the same when you go out there. Adults may not have all the answers, but they damn sure know more than the young. & I don't mean those special, "out of the loop" adults, I mean real working, striving adults, having to support a family or just themselves, those that own businesses & those whose job depends on this stock crash, or the nex pres. As I said, I never mentioned that the young only "watches the carnage", and I don't really feel like mentioning it again, but I will. We can keep ourselves informed, but it will never match experience. And as I keep saying, over 9000 tyemz, we can still have a voice, but their is a reason the young cannot vote. We can try our best to get the message across, however, I never disputed that. Well, yaw'll can try. I can vote. Burn. Epic burn. (Although I said it 9001 teimz, I never made it this clear. Didn't think I'd have too)

I always hear how "corrupt" politicians are, yet I never get a clear reasoning as to why. It usually comes from those that are in high school. It is never that black & white. Do we see the world as grey, or do we only see what we can watch on the news?

Those domestic problems are what shape America, and is what makes the average American voter's (foriegn or otherwise) opinion.

No harm done.

Eh, Ok your right. That disillusion to the world you are describing has already started to occur to me. If you asked me Political questions on the 2006 Elections, I would have blindly stated: "The Republicans are right we should stay in the Middle East to fight the terrorists. So I support the Republicans." I keet on repeating, Yes, we need experience but we need to be also aware. Also I've already repeated many times the world IS GREY. :D Hmm...My classmates were looking at me funny when I started saying such things. They think I'm weird for being realistic that life is hard.You can vote but we can PROTEST (LOL :P) heh...I just want this to be more positive.

Want to talk about corruption? "Why do we still don't have Universal Healthcare?" when every other "Modern" Western Country does. The problem is were talking about a huge amount of money. But we have the the money (Medicare, Medicaid), so people hold back. What about those pork barrel spending John McCain keeps talking about, what about those last-minute add-ons to Apropriations Bills. Hay...So how are politicians not corrupt? It's part of human nature.

I'm just tired now. -_- Letz be friendz ^_^ and talk about Pocket Monsters...

sims796 October 9th, 2008 6:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Netto Azure (Post 4018557)
Eh, Ok your right. That disillusion to the world you are describing has already started to occur to me. If you asked me Political questions on the 2006 Elections, I would have blindly stated: "The Republicans are right we should stay in the Middle East to fight the terrorists. So I support the Republicans." I keet on repeating, Yes, we need experience but we need to be also aware. Also I've already repeated many times the world IS GREY. :D Hmm...My classmates were looking at me funny when I started saying such things. They think I'm weird for being realistic that life is hard.You can vote but we can PROTEST (LOL :P) heh...I just want this to be more positive.

Want to talk about corruption? "Why do we still don't have Universal Healthcare?" when every other "Modern" Western Country does. The problem is were talking about a huge amount of money. But we have the the money (Medicare, Medicaid), so people hold back. What about those pork barrel spending John McCain keeps talking about, what about those last-minute add-ons to Apropriations Bills. Hay...So how are politicians not corrupt? It's part of human nature.

I'm just tired now. -_- Letz be friendz ^_^ and talk about Pocket Monsters...

And as I said, more than three times, that you need both experience & to be aware. Don't make me repeat it, please.

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We can keep ourselves informed, but it will never match experience. And as I keep saying, over 9000 tyemz, we can still have a voice, but their is a reason the young cannot vote. We can try our best to get the message across, however, I never disputed that. Well, yaw'll can try. I can vote. Burn. Epic burn. (Although I said it 9001 teimz, I never made it this clear. Didn't think I'd have too)
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So don't repeat it yourself. All you are doing is repeating everything I say, only in a simplier way. I won't go all multi quoting, as i laxz teh knowledge.

We are in a national debt. Been so for a while. I won't go into detail, as I don't have em' all at the time. We do not have the money. Hell, there was just a huge Wall Street backlash, affecting everyone in the US, trader or not. The 7 billion (million?) dollar bail out failed, as we just don't have the funds for it. We do not have the money. I'm not saying politics isn't corrupt, and that everything is peachy keen, but at the same time, things are not a simple as you think. It cannot just be chalked down to just "they're corrupted, and are doing it for teh cash".

You're just proving what I mean. I keep sayin gthis, while taking on your points, but it doesn't get through exactly, and it ends up with you nearly repeating everything. Ironically, the elder members got what I meant perfectly.


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